WJ Issues
02-12-2005 | 01:43 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
In article <bKrPd.8495$Ps.2525@okepread06>,
DougW <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ed J. did pass the time by typing:
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> #1 cause of failure in the ZJ is having some nimrod jack the rear up
>>> under the diff. I see it all the time at a local tire shop.
>>
>> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
>
>It's not a dumb question, it's a dumb design. :)
>
>DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
Which diffs are susceptible to this?
Claude
DougW <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ed J. did pass the time by typing:
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> #1 cause of failure in the ZJ is having some nimrod jack the rear up
>>> under the diff. I see it all the time at a local tire shop.
>>
>> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
>
>It's not a dumb question, it's a dumb design. :)
>
>DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
Which diffs are susceptible to this?
Claude
02-12-2005 | 01:43 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
In article <bKrPd.8495$Ps.2525@okepread06>,
DougW <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ed J. did pass the time by typing:
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> #1 cause of failure in the ZJ is having some nimrod jack the rear up
>>> under the diff. I see it all the time at a local tire shop.
>>
>> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
>
>It's not a dumb question, it's a dumb design. :)
>
>DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
Which diffs are susceptible to this?
Claude
DougW <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>Ed J. did pass the time by typing:
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> #1 cause of failure in the ZJ is having some nimrod jack the rear up
>>> under the diff. I see it all the time at a local tire shop.
>>
>> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
>
>It's not a dumb question, it's a dumb design. :)
>
>DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
Which diffs are susceptible to this?
Claude
02-12-2005 | 02:03 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
claudel did pass the time by typing:
> DougW wrote:
>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>
> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
Some bolt, some weld.
homemade one
http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
commercial unit
http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
down in product reviews.
--
DougW
> DougW wrote:
>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>
> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
Some bolt, some weld.
homemade one
http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
commercial unit
http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
down in product reviews.
--
DougW
02-12-2005 | 02:03 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
claudel did pass the time by typing:
> DougW wrote:
>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>
> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
Some bolt, some weld.
homemade one
http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
commercial unit
http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
down in product reviews.
--
DougW
> DougW wrote:
>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>
> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
Some bolt, some weld.
homemade one
http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
commercial unit
http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
down in product reviews.
--
DougW
02-12-2005 | 02:03 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
claudel did pass the time by typing:
> DougW wrote:
>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>
> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
Some bolt, some weld.
homemade one
http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
commercial unit
http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
down in product reviews.
--
DougW
> DougW wrote:
>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>
> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
Some bolt, some weld.
homemade one
http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
commercial unit
http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
down in product reviews.
--
DougW
02-12-2005 | 02:28 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
Hi Ed,
Another Chrysler f**ked up. They assembled the ZJ Dana 44 using
their aluminum housing and "C" clips:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d44.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Ed J." wrote:
>
> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
Another Chrysler f**ked up. They assembled the ZJ Dana 44 using
their aluminum housing and "C" clips:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d44.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Ed J." wrote:
>
> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
02-12-2005 | 02:28 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
Hi Ed,
Another Chrysler f**ked up. They assembled the ZJ Dana 44 using
their aluminum housing and "C" clips:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d44.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Ed J." wrote:
>
> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
Another Chrysler f**ked up. They assembled the ZJ Dana 44 using
their aluminum housing and "C" clips:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d44.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Ed J." wrote:
>
> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
02-12-2005 | 02:28 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
Hi Ed,
Another Chrysler f**ked up. They assembled the ZJ Dana 44 using
their aluminum housing and "C" clips:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d44.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Ed J." wrote:
>
> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
Another Chrysler f**ked up. They assembled the ZJ Dana 44 using
their aluminum housing and "C" clips:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d44.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Ed J." wrote:
>
> Pardon the dumb question, but how does that lead to a failure?
02-12-2005 | 03:15 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
Well it does make sense I had talked to my friend and he said he jacked his
WJ by the pumpkin all the time. I told him about the replays on the
newsgroup. He was kinda pissed that he may have caused the damage. I guess
that is why jacking points are specified in the O&M. I was wondering if
damage can be done by jacking the tube near the wheel? The TJ shows the
jacking points to be on the tubes.
HarryS
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:cqsPd.8502$Ps.8075@okepread06...
> claudel did pass the time by typing:
>> DougW wrote:
>
>>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>>
>> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
>
> For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
> they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
> hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
>
> It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
> trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
> Some bolt, some weld.
>
> homemade one
> http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
>
> commercial unit
> http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
> down in product reviews.
>
> --
> DougW
>
WJ by the pumpkin all the time. I told him about the replays on the
newsgroup. He was kinda pissed that he may have caused the damage. I guess
that is why jacking points are specified in the O&M. I was wondering if
damage can be done by jacking the tube near the wheel? The TJ shows the
jacking points to be on the tubes.
HarryS
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:cqsPd.8502$Ps.8075@okepread06...
> claudel did pass the time by typing:
>> DougW wrote:
>
>>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>>
>> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
>
> For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
> they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
> hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
>
> It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
> trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
> Some bolt, some weld.
>
> homemade one
> http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
>
> commercial unit
> http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
> down in product reviews.
>
> --
> DougW
>
02-12-2005 | 03:15 PM
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Re: WJ Issues
Well it does make sense I had talked to my friend and he said he jacked his
WJ by the pumpkin all the time. I told him about the replays on the
newsgroup. He was kinda pissed that he may have caused the damage. I guess
that is why jacking points are specified in the O&M. I was wondering if
damage can be done by jacking the tube near the wheel? The TJ shows the
jacking points to be on the tubes.
HarryS
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:cqsPd.8502$Ps.8075@okepread06...
> claudel did pass the time by typing:
>> DougW wrote:
>
>>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>>
>> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
>
> For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
> they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
> hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
>
> It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
> trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
> Some bolt, some weld.
>
> homemade one
> http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
>
> commercial unit
> http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
> down in product reviews.
>
> --
> DougW
>
WJ by the pumpkin all the time. I told him about the replays on the
newsgroup. He was kinda pissed that he may have caused the damage. I guess
that is why jacking points are specified in the O&M. I was wondering if
damage can be done by jacking the tube near the wheel? The TJ shows the
jacking points to be on the tubes.
HarryS
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:cqsPd.8502$Ps.8075@okepread06...
> claudel did pass the time by typing:
>> DougW wrote:
>
>>> DC used thin wall tubes and only pressed them into the pumpkin with
>>> half assed plug welds to keep the tube from rotating. Jacking from
>>> the diff can bend the axle assembly taking the bearings and seals out
>>> of alignment just enough to cause excessive wear. Older thick wall
>>> steel (welded) axles didn't have that weakness.
>>
>> Which diffs are susceptible to this?
>
> For the most part they all are. Car makers have cut weight where
> they can and that has created weaknesses in what used to be your basic
> hunk of iron. Now diffs are aluminum and the tubes are thinner.
>
> It's just not a good idea to ever jack from the pumpkin. They make
> trusses to strengthen axles for larger tires and off road bumps.
> Some bolt, some weld.
>
> homemade one
> http://www.greatcj8.com/mytruss.jpg
>
> commercial unit
> http://www.mosesludel.com/news/index...tid=4&blogid=1
> down in product reviews.
>
> --
> DougW
>