I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
absolutely worthless off-road.

About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
go jeeping in tough terrain.

Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
obvious.)

Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
intended for serious off road use."

So there you have it, direct from the official designated
representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)

I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.

I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
pieces of junk!

 

Approximately 8/13/03 11:28, Kenneth Garman uttered for posterity:

> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty.

..... yadda yadda yadda and then tried to run Moab.

Hey dude, that aftershave doesn't really make chicks want
to jump your bones either....

 

"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google.c om...
> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere,

And yet you bought a Liberty?

If you wanted a vehicle capable of going anywhere, you should have bought a
REAL JEEPtm........

 

"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google.c om...
> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main


I have an '87 Cherokee Laredo, 4.0L stock motor, D44 rear axle, and close to
200,000 miles. My Jeep's been everywhere I've asked it to go ... because
it's a real Jeep.

Had you lurked here for a while prior to buying your Chrysler, you'd have
known which of the models are realy Jeeps, and which are Chrysler's attempts
at grabbing the soccer mom crowd.

You made a mistake ... get over it.

Larry

 

> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty.

This was your first problem.. you bought a car based suvee thing.. not a
J**P...

> The main reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was
because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere,

Shouls have bought a TJ or even a Grand Cherokee

> straight from the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These
Jeeps are not
> intended for serious off road use."

Of course not.. there based on a car.. not a real J**P


> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)

No the marketing ploy for real J**P's is that they can and do go almost
anywhere, its just that you bought a Liberty.

> I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> should have bought in the first place:

I'll take it... and since you damaged it by off roading my highest price is
around 5 grand.. oh and thats in Canadian $'s

Snow 93 XJ stock...

 

Man I smell another troll.......


In article <c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google.com >,
kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote:

> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
> understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
> but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
> being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
> particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
> Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
> less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
> addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
> damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
> obvious.)
>
> Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
> wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
> advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
> protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
> bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
> the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
> intended for serious off road use."
>
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
> manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
> again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!

 

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F3A8B03.1305FDF9@sympatico.ca...
> We get our stock Cherokee with it's running boards into places that have
> ATV driver's jaws hanging open when they come across us.... They keep
> wondering if there is another way in they don't know about...

hi mike,
are you referencing 2 wheel drive sport quads?


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

 

Yeah, me too. I started to type a reply an thought, "What the heck, this is
too easy!" No one would be that gullible and then post a story like that in
the one place he should have checked before he shelled out all that money
for a station wagon...
....trolls don't smell too good, neither!!! :wrinkles up nose:
Jeeps are fine. Trolls suck.

"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com> wrote in message
news:aarongraham-B445D6.15114213082003@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> Man I smell another troll.......
>
>
> In article <c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google.com >,
> kenny_g@ev1.net (Kenneth Garman) wrote:
>
> > I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> > offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> > jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> > as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> > absolutely worthless off-road.
> >
> > About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> > reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> > of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> > vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> > all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> > light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
> > nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> > dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> > go jeeping in tough terrain.
> >
> > Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> > off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> > Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> > and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
> > understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
> > but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
> > being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
> > particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
> > Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
> > less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
> > addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
> > damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
> > obvious.)
> >
> > Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
> > wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
> > advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
> > protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
> > bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
> > the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
> > intended for serious off road use."
> >
> > So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> > representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> > Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> > off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> > on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
> >
> > I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> > piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> > should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
> > manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
> > again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
> >
> > I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> > other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> > pieces of junk!

 

Troll?

"Kenneth Garman" <kenny_g@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:c7ff7456.0308131028.64077c00@posting.google.c om...
> I realize the title of this message is somewhat inflammatory, and no
> offense is intended to those few of you who have built a worthwhile
> jeep out of aftermarket parts or your own ingenuity. But the vehicles
> as they are being offered for sale by Chrysler corporation are
> absolutely worthless off-road.
>
> About 4 months ago I took delivery of my new Jeep Liberty. The main
> reason I bought a jeep instead of some other kind of car was because
> of the tough off-road features touted in Jeep commercials. I wanted a
> vehicle capable of going anywhere, so I let the dealer talk me into
> all the recommended accessories for hard core 4-wheeling, such as
> light bar, tubular side steps, and hood cover. I outfitted myself with
> nearly everything in the mopar catalog! Needless to say I paid top
> dollar for this package, but that was what I wanted, so that I could
> go jeeping in tough terrain.
>
> Well, after breaking in the Liberty for a couple thousand miles I set
> off for Moab. I was ready to experience the true "Jeep Lifestyle."
> Much to my dismay, I immediately found the innards of my car scraping
> and grinding all over the place. I got stuck repeatedly. I
> understand that occasionally getting stuck is part of four wheeling,
> but this was ridiculous; I wasn't going anywhere and was routinely
> being passed up by people in other kinds of vehicles. Finally a
> particularly bad rock ripped loose the exhaust and I was done in.
> Total time in Moab, less than 1 day. Total off road miles covered,
> less than one. I limped back home to a massive repair bill. (In
> addition to the exhaust, this minimal amount of off roading apparently
> damaged several other systems as well, the damage just wasn't so
> obvious.)
>
> Needless to say, the Jeep dealer looked at me like I was crazy when I
> wanted this damage covered under the warranty. "But Jeeps are
> advertised and specifically marketed for hard-core offroading!" I
> protested. "That's why I bought the jeep! I told you that when I
> bought it!" And here are the exact words of his reply, straight from
> the Jeep dealer's mouth: "Don't be ridiculous. These Jeeps are not
> intended for serious off road use."
>
> So there you have it, direct from the official designated
> representative of Chrysler corporation. The 4-wheeling ability of
> Jeeps is ppurely a marketing ploy, but in truth they are about as
> off-road worthy as your typical Kia. (They should put that disclaimer
> on their commercials or be found guilty of deceptive advertising.)
>
> I will be selling the Liberty as soon as I can find a buyer for this
> piece of junk, and then I will cut my losses and buy what I probably
> should have bought in the first place: A nice luxury sedan, by any
> manufacturer other than Chrysler. As for Jeeps, I will never buy one
> again, and I intend to badmouth the brand to everyone who will listen.
>
> I hope my relating this experience in this public forum will save some
> other unfortunate sucker from the mistake of buying one of these
> pieces of junk!

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <abuse@A0L.com> wrote in message
news:2hw_a.34806$VR6.724508@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:3F3A8B03.1305FDF9@sympatico.ca...
: > We get our stock Cherokee with it's running boards into places that have
: > ATV driver's jaws hanging open when they come across us.... They keep
: > wondering if there is another way in they don't know about...
:
: hi mike,
: are you referencing 2 wheel drive sport quads?
:
:
: --
: Nathan W. Collier
: http://7SlotGrille.com
:

Nathan, I see where you're going with this... I think Mike is referencing
inexperienced drivers more so than equipment. Having said that, there are a
lot of places even a 'sport-ute' 4wd ATV with lockers can get stuck. The
difference is you can usually get off and lift yourself over a big log or
rock.

What do you think of the Yamaha Grizzly 660? I'm sceptical of the IRS but I
like the power... I may settle for a Kodiak 450 if I buy anything at all.
-Brian