Thinking about a new vehicle.

I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
thingy.

MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640

Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
no block heater.

MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205

For about $1400 the liberty gives you:

Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
Same Transmission
Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)

Side Air Bags
6 CD Changer
Heated Seats
Leather Seats
6 way power seats
Power heated folding mirrors
Overhead Console
(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
Power Sunroof
Power Windows
Power Locks

The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
Better tires/wheels.

My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
any modern features?

Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
something here?

BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
the Unlimited thing)

 

Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also. The Libby is
new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off road. The
Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed is absolutly
useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off road rigs, not
for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the Wranglers....the
tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go topless????!!!!!



On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>>Thinking about a new vehicle.
>>
>>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
>>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
>>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
>>thingy.
>>
>>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
>>
>>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
>>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
>>no block heater.
>>
>>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
>>
>>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
>>
>>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
>>Same Transmission
>>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
>>
>>Side Air Bags
>>6 CD Changer
>>Heated Seats
>>Leather Seats
>>6 way power seats
>>Power heated folding mirrors
>>Overhead Console
>>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
>>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
>>Power Sunroof
>>Power Windows
>>Power Locks
>>
>>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
>>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
>>Better tires/wheels.
>>
>>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
>>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
>>any modern features?
>>
>>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
>>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
>>something here?
>>
>>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
>>the Unlimited thing)
>>
>>

 

Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also. The Libby is
new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off road. The
Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed is absolutly
useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off road rigs, not
for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the Wranglers....the
tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go topless????!!!!!



On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>>Thinking about a new vehicle.
>>
>>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
>>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
>>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
>>thingy.
>>
>>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
>>
>>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
>>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
>>no block heater.
>>
>>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
>>
>>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
>>
>>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
>>Same Transmission
>>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
>>
>>Side Air Bags
>>6 CD Changer
>>Heated Seats
>>Leather Seats
>>6 way power seats
>>Power heated folding mirrors
>>Overhead Console
>>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
>>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
>>Power Sunroof
>>Power Windows
>>Power Locks
>>
>>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
>>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
>>Better tires/wheels.
>>
>>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
>>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
>>any modern features?
>>
>>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
>>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
>>something here?
>>
>>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
>>the Unlimited thing)
>>
>>

 

Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also. The Libby is
new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off road. The
Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed is absolutly
useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off road rigs, not
for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the Wranglers....the
tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go topless????!!!!!



On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>>Thinking about a new vehicle.
>>
>>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
>>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
>>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
>>thingy.
>>
>>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
>>
>>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
>>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
>>no block heater.
>>
>>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
>>
>>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
>>
>>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
>>Same Transmission
>>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
>>
>>Side Air Bags
>>6 CD Changer
>>Heated Seats
>>Leather Seats
>>6 way power seats
>>Power heated folding mirrors
>>Overhead Console
>>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
>>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
>>Power Sunroof
>>Power Windows
>>Power Locks
>>
>>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
>>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
>>Better tires/wheels.
>>
>>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
>>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
>>any modern features?
>>
>>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
>>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
>>something here?
>>
>>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
>>the Unlimited thing)
>>
>>

 

Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also. The Libby is
new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off road. The
Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed is absolutly
useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off road rigs, not
for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the Wranglers....the
tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go topless????!!!!!



On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>>Thinking about a new vehicle.
>>
>>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
>>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
>>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
>>thingy.
>>
>>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
>>
>>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
>>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
>>no block heater.
>>
>>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
>>
>>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
>>
>>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
>>Same Transmission
>>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
>>
>>Side Air Bags
>>6 CD Changer
>>Heated Seats
>>Leather Seats
>>6 way power seats
>>Power heated folding mirrors
>>Overhead Console
>>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
>>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
>>Power Sunroof
>>Power Windows
>>Power Locks
>>
>>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
>>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
>>Better tires/wheels.
>>
>>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
>>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
>>any modern features?
>>
>>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
>>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
>>something here?
>>
>>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
>>the Unlimited thing)
>>
>>

 

I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
does get it for free either.

Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.

My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
the name! I was wondering if other people were
aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?

--Charlie


"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:mmbfd09mri3k5rf5hlkmqfm50mp6p5ruj5@4ax.com...
> Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also. The
Libby is
> new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off
road. The
> Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed is
absolutly
> useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off road
rigs, not
> for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the
Wranglers....the
> tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go topless????!!!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona"
<cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Thinking about a new vehicle.
> >>
> >>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> >>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> >>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> >>thingy.
> >>
> >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
> >>
> >>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> >>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> >>no block heater.
> >>
> >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
> >>
> >>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
> >>
> >>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> >>Same Transmission
> >>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
> >>
> >>Side Air Bags
> >>6 CD Changer
> >>Heated Seats
> >>Leather Seats
> >>6 way power seats
> >>Power heated folding mirrors
> >>Overhead Console
> >>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> >>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> >>Power Sunroof
> >>Power Windows
> >>Power Locks
> >>
> >>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> >>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> >>Better tires/wheels.
> >>
> >>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> >>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> >>any modern features?
> >>
> >>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> >>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> >>something here?
> >>
> >>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> >>the Unlimited thing)
> >>
> >>
>

 

I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
does get it for free either.

Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.

My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
the name! I was wondering if other people were
aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?

--Charlie


"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:mmbfd09mri3k5rf5hlkmqfm50mp6p5ruj5@4ax.com...
> Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also. The
Libby is
> new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off
road. The
> Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed is
absolutly
> useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off road
rigs, not
> for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the
Wranglers....the
> tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go topless????!!!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona"
<cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Thinking about a new vehicle.
> >>
> >>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> >>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> >>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> >>thingy.
> >>
> >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
> >>
> >>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> >>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> >>no block heater.
> >>
> >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
> >>
> >>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
> >>
> >>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> >>Same Transmission
> >>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
> >>
> >>Side Air Bags
> >>6 CD Changer
> >>Heated Seats
> >>Leather Seats
> >>6 way power seats
> >>Power heated folding mirrors
> >>Overhead Console
> >>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> >>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> >>Power Sunroof
> >>Power Windows
> >>Power Locks
> >>
> >>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> >>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> >>Better tires/wheels.
> >>
> >>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> >>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> >>any modern features?
> >>
> >>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> >>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> >>something here?
> >>
> >>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> >>the Unlimited thing)
> >>
> >>
>

 

I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
does get it for free either.

Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.

My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
the name! I was wondering if other people were
aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?

--Charlie


"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:mmbfd09mri3k5rf5hlkmqfm50mp6p5ruj5@4ax.com...
> Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also. The
Libby is
> new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off
road. The
> Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed is
absolutly
> useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off road
rigs, not
> for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the
Wranglers....the
> tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go topless????!!!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona"
<cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Thinking about a new vehicle.
> >>
> >>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> >>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> >>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> >>thingy.
> >>
> >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
> >>
> >>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> >>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> >>no block heater.
> >>
> >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
> >>
> >>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
> >>
> >>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> >>Same Transmission
> >>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
> >>
> >>Side Air Bags
> >>6 CD Changer
> >>Heated Seats
> >>Leather Seats
> >>6 way power seats
> >>Power heated folding mirrors
> >>Overhead Console
> >>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> >>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> >>Power Sunroof
> >>Power Windows
> >>Power Locks
> >>
> >>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> >>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> >>Better tires/wheels.
> >>
> >>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> >>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> >>any modern features?
> >>
> >>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> >>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> >>something here?
> >>
> >>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> >>the Unlimited thing)
> >>
> >>
>

 

I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
does get it for free either.

Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.

My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
the name! I was wondering if other people were
aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?

--Charlie


"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:mmbfd09mri3k5rf5hlkmqfm50mp6p5ruj5@4ax.com...
> Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also. The
Libby is
> new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off
road. The
> Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed is
absolutly
> useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off road
rigs, not
> for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the
Wranglers....the
> tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go topless????!!!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona"
<cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Thinking about a new vehicle.
> >>
> >>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> >>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> >>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> >>thingy.
> >>
> >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
> >>
> >>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> >>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> >>no block heater.
> >>
> >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
> >>
> >>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
> >>
> >>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> >>Same Transmission
> >>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
> >>
> >>Side Air Bags
> >>6 CD Changer
> >>Heated Seats
> >>Leather Seats
> >>6 way power seats
> >>Power heated folding mirrors
> >>Overhead Console
> >>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> >>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> >>Power Sunroof
> >>Power Windows
> >>Power Locks
> >>
> >>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> >>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> >>Better tires/wheels.
> >>
> >>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> >>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> >>any modern features?
> >>
> >>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> >>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> >>something here?
> >>
> >>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> >>the Unlimited thing)
> >>
> >>
>

 

just shows how weak and little the liberty is, made of plastic and they can
afford the extra,s


the Tj is made of metal and can hold its own.



"Charlie Dellacona" <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KlOBc.86401$eu.42958@attbi_s02...
> I know the stuff isn't useful to offroaders, but DC
> does get it for free either.
>
> Why you bought your jeep isn't really the point.
>
> My point is the price comparison shows wranglers
> are badly overpriced. As you said, they are selling
> the name! I was wondering if other people were
> aware of it and ticked off at DC for it?
>
> --Charlie
>
>
> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> news:mmbfd09mri3k5rf5hlkmqfm50mp6p5ruj5@4ax.com...
> > Wranglers have solid axles (no IFS). They are selling the name also.
The
> Libby is
> > new. The Wrangler has been around for years. The wrangler is for off
> road. The
> > Libby is for occasional off road. Most of that which you have listed
is
> absolutly
> > useless to many of the people here. We bought our Wranglers for off
road
> rigs, not
> > for cushy comfort in and about town. Your other big thing with the
> Wranglers....the
> > tops are made to come off! Who needs a/c when you can go
topless????!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:26:49 GMT, "Charlie Dellacona"
> <cdellacona@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >>Thinking about a new vehicle.
> > >>
> > >>I went to carsdirect.com and priced a pretty loaded
> > >>liberty limited (auto). All options but chrome wheels,
> > >>engine block heater and u-connect blue tooth phone
> > >>thingy.
> > >>
> > >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $29,955/28,240/26,640
> > >>
> > >>Did same thing with a Sahara TJ auto. Hard top
> > >>only, no ABS (can't seem to get them with auto),
> > >>no block heater.
> > >>
> > >>MSRP/Invoice/Buy prices = $28,035/25,805/25,205
> > >>
> > >>For about $1400 the liberty gives you:
> > >>
> > >>Modern SOHC V-6 Engine (Better MPG/HP Same Torque)
> > >>Same Transmission
> > >>Select-Trac (vs Command-Trac)
> > >>
> > >>Side Air Bags
> > >>6 CD Changer
> > >>Heated Seats
> > >>Leather Seats
> > >>6 way power seats
> > >>Power heated folding mirrors
> > >>Overhead Console
> > >>(Homelink,tire pressure monitor, trip computer)
> > >>Anti-Lock 4 wheel disks
> > >>Power Sunroof
> > >>Power Windows
> > >>Power Locks
> > >>
> > >>The Sahara wins with stronger rear axle D44 vs
> > >>8.25" corporate axle (god that sounds awful)
> > >>Better tires/wheels.
> > >>
> > >>My questions is: if DC can give me all that *stuff*
> > >>on a liberty, why does a sahara cost so much without
> > >>any modern features?
> > >>
> > >>Sure I like the wrangler better, but it seems like DC
> > >>is screwing us badly with the price. Am I missing
> > >>something here?
> > >>
> > >>BTW, any changes to Wranglers for '05? (Other than
> > >>the Unlimited thing)
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>