"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote
:
: Did you ever stop to think, that you may be a tad over sensitive? Now
that
: you have a REAL Jeep, it is OK to answer.
:
: Earle
:


Hmm...
let me think on that one.
Lets look at the facts here.
Female
Over forty
Raging hormones
Irish

Whatever makes you think such a thing?
Thanks for giving me permission... smart aleck.

 

Hi Bill,
Bring their headers up and you will see the crossposting. They are
trolls trying to disturb as many groups as possible.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Bill,
> How did they follow you here? Are these cross posts showing up on all
> boards of which you are a member?

 

Hi Bill,
Bring their headers up and you will see the crossposting. They are
trolls trying to disturb as many groups as possible.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Bill,
> How did they follow you here? Are these cross posts showing up on all
> boards of which you are a member?

 

Hi Bill,
Bring their headers up and you will see the crossposting. They are
trolls trying to disturb as many groups as possible.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Bill,
> How did they follow you here? Are these cross posts showing up on all
> boards of which you are a member?

 

Hi Ted,
You've got it, I don't have a life, so this is just plain fun, it's
a game to see how many user names and actual Internet Service Provider
accounts I can have closed, of course I don't go after them until I get
a real charter violation, like crossposting, language, or advertising.
And never do I get mad, but will get even if possible. So, those that
don't want to watch, simple filter my address out.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

The Lord of Eltingville wrote:
>
>
> The only thing I'd disagree with about what Kate said was that Bill's
> tormentors are angry. They're not. They're having fun, and they're
> having it at his expense (and at the expense of anyone else who takes it
> marginally seriously).
>
> To break it down:
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort sifting through headers and
> trying to track down the posts' origins.
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort to report his findings to
> providers who may/may not care about what's happening -- if they're
> even the appropriate providers in the first place.
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort to respond to each post.
>
> And ultimately:
>
> * Bill's naive enough to think that all his time and effort is going
> to make a bit of difference because as quickly as he might be
> able to get an account nuked, new ones are created.
>
> * Bill keeps encouraging them to continue by obediently fetching every
> stick that's thrown.
>
> Unless Bill (and anyone else who's getting upset by what he brought
> here) learns to simply ignore posts that offend/don't interest him/them,
> it's going to continue...and probably escalate. Like it or not, there's
> ~25 years of usenet history to back that up.
>
> ~Ted (returning to lurker mode)
>
> --
> .

 

Hi Ted,
You've got it, I don't have a life, so this is just plain fun, it's
a game to see how many user names and actual Internet Service Provider
accounts I can have closed, of course I don't go after them until I get
a real charter violation, like crossposting, language, or advertising.
And never do I get mad, but will get even if possible. So, those that
don't want to watch, simple filter my address out.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

The Lord of Eltingville wrote:
>
>
> The only thing I'd disagree with about what Kate said was that Bill's
> tormentors are angry. They're not. They're having fun, and they're
> having it at his expense (and at the expense of anyone else who takes it
> marginally seriously).
>
> To break it down:
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort sifting through headers and
> trying to track down the posts' origins.
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort to report his findings to
> providers who may/may not care about what's happening -- if they're
> even the appropriate providers in the first place.
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort to respond to each post.
>
> And ultimately:
>
> * Bill's naive enough to think that all his time and effort is going
> to make a bit of difference because as quickly as he might be
> able to get an account nuked, new ones are created.
>
> * Bill keeps encouraging them to continue by obediently fetching every
> stick that's thrown.
>
> Unless Bill (and anyone else who's getting upset by what he brought
> here) learns to simply ignore posts that offend/don't interest him/them,
> it's going to continue...and probably escalate. Like it or not, there's
> ~25 years of usenet history to back that up.
>
> ~Ted (returning to lurker mode)
>
> --
> .

 

Hi Ted,
You've got it, I don't have a life, so this is just plain fun, it's
a game to see how many user names and actual Internet Service Provider
accounts I can have closed, of course I don't go after them until I get
a real charter violation, like crossposting, language, or advertising.
And never do I get mad, but will get even if possible. So, those that
don't want to watch, simple filter my address out.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

The Lord of Eltingville wrote:
>
>
> The only thing I'd disagree with about what Kate said was that Bill's
> tormentors are angry. They're not. They're having fun, and they're
> having it at his expense (and at the expense of anyone else who takes it
> marginally seriously).
>
> To break it down:
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort sifting through headers and
> trying to track down the posts' origins.
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort to report his findings to
> providers who may/may not care about what's happening -- if they're
> even the appropriate providers in the first place.
>
> * Bill's the one spending time and effort to respond to each post.
>
> And ultimately:
>
> * Bill's naive enough to think that all his time and effort is going
> to make a bit of difference because as quickly as he might be
> able to get an account nuked, new ones are created.
>
> * Bill keeps encouraging them to continue by obediently fetching every
> stick that's thrown.
>
> Unless Bill (and anyone else who's getting upset by what he brought
> here) learns to simply ignore posts that offend/don't interest him/them,
> it's going to continue...and probably escalate. Like it or not, there's
> ~25 years of usenet history to back that up.
>
> ~Ted (returning to lurker mode)
>
> --
> .

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:i9S2g.69$KO6.12171@news.uswest.net...
: "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
: news:6JR2g.15163$Kn4.2596@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
: > Most of the information he has provided since I have been here
:
: exactly. youve only been here a few months and youre jumping on bills
back
: like a rabid dog. if youre trying to make a name for yourself, there are
: better ways than by trying to step on bill.
:

Nothing rabid about it Nathan, just speaking my mind.
Your exaggeration here is more theatrics than the whole thing deserves.

AND - as far as the whole "make a name for myself" I don't know which part
of left field you pullled THAT from but shake it off cause it's WAY too far
out there to make any sense.
Trust me, my goal in life has never been to make a name for myself on usenet
though I have been called a few.

Whay does it make you so upset that I am saying what I think about this
situation??


: > Furthermore, if he doesn't know about a particular vehicle, he just says
: > "That's not a real Jeep" and dismisses it.
:
: heh......thats your newbie coming out. when i first came into this
: newsgroup i announced my shiny new 2000 tj sahara and bill told me that it
: wasnt a "real" jeep. at first i was taken back....maybe offended a
: little.....but i later grew to appreciate bills conviction to jeeping.
: bottom line......right or wrong if it werent for the old school jeep
purists
: like bill, i dont think your rubicon would even exist. folks just like
bill
: (including bill!) built the jeep legacy that we all enjoy today. todays
: jeepers (er, the offroading ones anyway) continue the legacy that the
: old-schoolers built. you dont maintain a legacy by shitting on the
: founders.
:

Oh for chrissake. So, I give my opinion on something that's going on, and I
am shitting on one of your founding fathers.
Good heavens man, it's USENET !!!

I think you are reading WAY WAY too much into this.

: > He's certainly not to Jeeps what Bill S. is to Mustangs and big blocks
: > that's for DAMN sure.
:
: i dont think youve the knowledge or experience with jeeping yet to make
that
: determination. if you stick with jeeping, sooner or later youll run into
a
: problem that bill will be the one to solve for you.
:

What, you think I wouldn't ask him?

HEY BILL! If you're reading this - if I asked you a question about a Jeep,
would you answer me?


: > I think that Tom said it well enough:
: > "IMO the bulk of his "knowledge" comes from an admittedly impressive
: > ability to dig up information, but knowing where the book is in the
: > library (and how to read it out loud), does not an expert make."
:
: knowing enough about a subject to know from memory where to go to find it
: and most importantly, THE WILLINGNESS TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO SO IN ORDER
TO
: HELP OTHERS is what makes bill a true asset to this newsgroup. besides,
: linking to a page already scripted that reaches the same conclusion he
: reached only makes sense.:
:
: > So you just put him up on any pedistal you want to Nate, but I'm not
gonna
: > do it just so I can be a part of the "Good ol' Boys Club"
:
: heh......i dont have bill on a pedestal kate.....but in the 7 years ive
been
: reading this newsgroup ive grown to respect him. there is no club here.
: you have givers, takers, lurkers, and entertainers. bill is both a giver
: and an entertainer. even when i have no interest in a topic i always
click
: on his messages because one of two things will happen when i do.....ill
: either learn something new or ill laugh at his comments. i am not
: threatened by his experience, i recognize/respect it and i try to learn
from
: it.

Nothing wrong with that...

I'll damned if I am going to make this worse by trying to pick the fly
specks out of the pepper Nate.
If you want to pick a fight.. go somewhere else. I am not interested.

In the last few days there have been several issues that have been rather
volatile in here.
Time for a deep breath I think.

If Bill does not like what I have said, he will tell me.
I understand that you respect him and I can see your desire to defend him.
I'm NOT trying to mistreat your mentor, got it?

Bill is a full grown man, and if he thinks I am out of line he will tell me
so.

Early on he and I agreed that we would disagree on occasion.
I am ONLY reiterating this because you seem to have missed it somewhere.
On those occasions that we have butted heads, we have come out of it with a
grin and the equivalent of a handshake.

I'm standing my ground. I think Bill can clean this up, and I think he needs
to.

You getting all shook up over me speaking my mind is just your own problem.

Kate

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:i9S2g.69$KO6.12171@news.uswest.net...
: "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
: news:6JR2g.15163$Kn4.2596@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
: > Most of the information he has provided since I have been here
:
: exactly. youve only been here a few months and youre jumping on bills
back
: like a rabid dog. if youre trying to make a name for yourself, there are
: better ways than by trying to step on bill.
:

Nothing rabid about it Nathan, just speaking my mind.
Your exaggeration here is more theatrics than the whole thing deserves.

AND - as far as the whole "make a name for myself" I don't know which part
of left field you pullled THAT from but shake it off cause it's WAY too far
out there to make any sense.
Trust me, my goal in life has never been to make a name for myself on usenet
though I have been called a few.

Whay does it make you so upset that I am saying what I think about this
situation??


: > Furthermore, if he doesn't know about a particular vehicle, he just says
: > "That's not a real Jeep" and dismisses it.
:
: heh......thats your newbie coming out. when i first came into this
: newsgroup i announced my shiny new 2000 tj sahara and bill told me that it
: wasnt a "real" jeep. at first i was taken back....maybe offended a
: little.....but i later grew to appreciate bills conviction to jeeping.
: bottom line......right or wrong if it werent for the old school jeep
purists
: like bill, i dont think your rubicon would even exist. folks just like
bill
: (including bill!) built the jeep legacy that we all enjoy today. todays
: jeepers (er, the offroading ones anyway) continue the legacy that the
: old-schoolers built. you dont maintain a legacy by shitting on the
: founders.
:

Oh for chrissake. So, I give my opinion on something that's going on, and I
am shitting on one of your founding fathers.
Good heavens man, it's USENET !!!

I think you are reading WAY WAY too much into this.

: > He's certainly not to Jeeps what Bill S. is to Mustangs and big blocks
: > that's for DAMN sure.
:
: i dont think youve the knowledge or experience with jeeping yet to make
that
: determination. if you stick with jeeping, sooner or later youll run into
a
: problem that bill will be the one to solve for you.
:

What, you think I wouldn't ask him?

HEY BILL! If you're reading this - if I asked you a question about a Jeep,
would you answer me?


: > I think that Tom said it well enough:
: > "IMO the bulk of his "knowledge" comes from an admittedly impressive
: > ability to dig up information, but knowing where the book is in the
: > library (and how to read it out loud), does not an expert make."
:
: knowing enough about a subject to know from memory where to go to find it
: and most importantly, THE WILLINGNESS TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO SO IN ORDER
TO
: HELP OTHERS is what makes bill a true asset to this newsgroup. besides,
: linking to a page already scripted that reaches the same conclusion he
: reached only makes sense.:
:
: > So you just put him up on any pedistal you want to Nate, but I'm not
gonna
: > do it just so I can be a part of the "Good ol' Boys Club"
:
: heh......i dont have bill on a pedestal kate.....but in the 7 years ive
been
: reading this newsgroup ive grown to respect him. there is no club here.
: you have givers, takers, lurkers, and entertainers. bill is both a giver
: and an entertainer. even when i have no interest in a topic i always
click
: on his messages because one of two things will happen when i do.....ill
: either learn something new or ill laugh at his comments. i am not
: threatened by his experience, i recognize/respect it and i try to learn
from
: it.

Nothing wrong with that...

I'll damned if I am going to make this worse by trying to pick the fly
specks out of the pepper Nate.
If you want to pick a fight.. go somewhere else. I am not interested.

In the last few days there have been several issues that have been rather
volatile in here.
Time for a deep breath I think.

If Bill does not like what I have said, he will tell me.
I understand that you respect him and I can see your desire to defend him.
I'm NOT trying to mistreat your mentor, got it?

Bill is a full grown man, and if he thinks I am out of line he will tell me
so.

Early on he and I agreed that we would disagree on occasion.
I am ONLY reiterating this because you seem to have missed it somewhere.
On those occasions that we have butted heads, we have come out of it with a
grin and the equivalent of a handshake.

I'm standing my ground. I think Bill can clean this up, and I think he needs
to.

You getting all shook up over me speaking my mind is just your own problem.

Kate

 

"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:i9S2g.69$KO6.12171@news.uswest.net...
: "Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
: news:6JR2g.15163$Kn4.2596@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
: > Most of the information he has provided since I have been here
:
: exactly. youve only been here a few months and youre jumping on bills
back
: like a rabid dog. if youre trying to make a name for yourself, there are
: better ways than by trying to step on bill.
:

Nothing rabid about it Nathan, just speaking my mind.
Your exaggeration here is more theatrics than the whole thing deserves.

AND - as far as the whole "make a name for myself" I don't know which part
of left field you pullled THAT from but shake it off cause it's WAY too far
out there to make any sense.
Trust me, my goal in life has never been to make a name for myself on usenet
though I have been called a few.

Whay does it make you so upset that I am saying what I think about this
situation??


: > Furthermore, if he doesn't know about a particular vehicle, he just says
: > "That's not a real Jeep" and dismisses it.
:
: heh......thats your newbie coming out. when i first came into this
: newsgroup i announced my shiny new 2000 tj sahara and bill told me that it
: wasnt a "real" jeep. at first i was taken back....maybe offended a
: little.....but i later grew to appreciate bills conviction to jeeping.
: bottom line......right or wrong if it werent for the old school jeep
purists
: like bill, i dont think your rubicon would even exist. folks just like
bill
: (including bill!) built the jeep legacy that we all enjoy today. todays
: jeepers (er, the offroading ones anyway) continue the legacy that the
: old-schoolers built. you dont maintain a legacy by shitting on the
: founders.
:

Oh for chrissake. So, I give my opinion on something that's going on, and I
am shitting on one of your founding fathers.
Good heavens man, it's USENET !!!

I think you are reading WAY WAY too much into this.

: > He's certainly not to Jeeps what Bill S. is to Mustangs and big blocks
: > that's for DAMN sure.
:
: i dont think youve the knowledge or experience with jeeping yet to make
that
: determination. if you stick with jeeping, sooner or later youll run into
a
: problem that bill will be the one to solve for you.
:

What, you think I wouldn't ask him?

HEY BILL! If you're reading this - if I asked you a question about a Jeep,
would you answer me?


: > I think that Tom said it well enough:
: > "IMO the bulk of his "knowledge" comes from an admittedly impressive
: > ability to dig up information, but knowing where the book is in the
: > library (and how to read it out loud), does not an expert make."
:
: knowing enough about a subject to know from memory where to go to find it
: and most importantly, THE WILLINGNESS TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO SO IN ORDER
TO
: HELP OTHERS is what makes bill a true asset to this newsgroup. besides,
: linking to a page already scripted that reaches the same conclusion he
: reached only makes sense.:
:
: > So you just put him up on any pedistal you want to Nate, but I'm not
gonna
: > do it just so I can be a part of the "Good ol' Boys Club"
:
: heh......i dont have bill on a pedestal kate.....but in the 7 years ive
been
: reading this newsgroup ive grown to respect him. there is no club here.
: you have givers, takers, lurkers, and entertainers. bill is both a giver
: and an entertainer. even when i have no interest in a topic i always
click
: on his messages because one of two things will happen when i do.....ill
: either learn something new or ill laugh at his comments. i am not
: threatened by his experience, i recognize/respect it and i try to learn
from
: it.

Nothing wrong with that...

I'll damned if I am going to make this worse by trying to pick the fly
specks out of the pepper Nate.
If you want to pick a fight.. go somewhere else. I am not interested.

In the last few days there have been several issues that have been rather
volatile in here.
Time for a deep breath I think.

If Bill does not like what I have said, he will tell me.
I understand that you respect him and I can see your desire to defend him.
I'm NOT trying to mistreat your mentor, got it?

Bill is a full grown man, and if he thinks I am out of line he will tell me
so.

Early on he and I agreed that we would disagree on occasion.
I am ONLY reiterating this because you seem to have missed it somewhere.
On those occasions that we have butted heads, we have come out of it with a
grin and the equivalent of a handshake.

I'm standing my ground. I think Bill can clean this up, and I think he needs
to.

You getting all shook up over me speaking my mind is just your own problem.

Kate