scopenutt@yahoo.com

O.K. 90YJ manual steering,

so i played with my steering adjuster, the one on the top of the
box,towards the front, i think ive got it back where it was,

heres the problem, the jeep rides down the road like on a crown,and
wants to float to iether side, of the crown,
ive got about 6 inches of slop in the steering wheel, and when doing
70mph on the highway, if i have to hit the breaks, i end up darting all
over,

theres no shake or shimmy or vibes when driving,
all tierod ends are tight,
ball joints are good,
tires inflated to 35pds,(allterain radials)

i do hear and see slop inside the steering box when my son racks the
wheel back and fourth,

ive got the newer 90YJ jeep book from schucks auto, but its kinda
skinny on what to do,
im thinking of taking it out this weekend,

i would realy apriciate any help here,
if anybody could direct me to a "real" repair site,
im too cheap to take it to a shop , i like screwing things up myself
and saving my money for more "add-ons"

second stupid question,
how hard of a job to put on power steering,
worth the effort/money?

thanks
johnp

Mike Romain

You already started a thread about this so I will just copy my reply
here:

Those are not 'adjustments' you can make to the steering. Those are set
up adjustments for the box and unless done exactly right, the box will
'very' soon be garbage. Every one I have seen 'adjusted' in the truck
has been scrap metal really soon after.

Maybe Bill has a link on setting up the manual box, I only have the pdf
for the power box.

The top 'adjuster' is for the over center adjustment and on a power box
needs to be tightened until the steering shaft needs 5 inch pounds to
turn off center when it is out sitting in a vise. Almost impossible to
get right in the vehicle with the steering shaft and drag link
installed.

The left right slop adjustment is supposed to be from the adjuster plug
on the steering column end, not the top one. The top over center one is
set after the adjuster plug is set.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> O.K. 90YJ manual steering,
>
> so i played with my steering adjuster, the one on the top of the
> box,towards the front, i think ive got it back where it was,
>
> heres the problem, the jeep rides down the road like on a crown,and
> wants to float to iether side, of the crown,
> ive got about 6 inches of slop in the steering wheel, and when doing
> 70mph on the highway, if i have to hit the breaks, i end up darting all
> over,
>
> theres no shake or shimmy or vibes when driving,
> all tierod ends are tight,
> ball joints are good,
> tires inflated to 35pds,(allterain radials)
>
> i do hear and see slop inside the steering box when my son racks the
> wheel back and fourth,
>
> ive got the newer 90YJ jeep book from schucks auto, but its kinda
> skinny on what to do,
> im thinking of taking it out this weekend,
>
> i would realy apriciate any help here,
> if anybody could direct me to a "real" repair site,
> im too cheap to take it to a shop , i like screwing things up myself
> and saving my money for more "add-ons"
>
> second stupid question,
> how hard of a job to put on power steering,
> worth the effort/money?
>
> thanks
> johnp

Mike Romain

You already started a thread about this so I will just copy my reply
here:

Those are not 'adjustments' you can make to the steering. Those are set
up adjustments for the box and unless done exactly right, the box will
'very' soon be garbage. Every one I have seen 'adjusted' in the truck
has been scrap metal really soon after.

Maybe Bill has a link on setting up the manual box, I only have the pdf
for the power box.

The top 'adjuster' is for the over center adjustment and on a power box
needs to be tightened until the steering shaft needs 5 inch pounds to
turn off center when it is out sitting in a vise. Almost impossible to
get right in the vehicle with the steering shaft and drag link
installed.

The left right slop adjustment is supposed to be from the adjuster plug
on the steering column end, not the top one. The top over center one is
set after the adjuster plug is set.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> O.K. 90YJ manual steering,
>
> so i played with my steering adjuster, the one on the top of the
> box,towards the front, i think ive got it back where it was,
>
> heres the problem, the jeep rides down the road like on a crown,and
> wants to float to iether side, of the crown,
> ive got about 6 inches of slop in the steering wheel, and when doing
> 70mph on the highway, if i have to hit the breaks, i end up darting all
> over,
>
> theres no shake or shimmy or vibes when driving,
> all tierod ends are tight,
> ball joints are good,
> tires inflated to 35pds,(allterain radials)
>
> i do hear and see slop inside the steering box when my son racks the
> wheel back and fourth,
>
> ive got the newer 90YJ jeep book from schucks auto, but its kinda
> skinny on what to do,
> im thinking of taking it out this weekend,
>
> i would realy apriciate any help here,
> if anybody could direct me to a "real" repair site,
> im too cheap to take it to a shop , i like screwing things up myself
> and saving my money for more "add-ons"
>
> second stupid question,
> how hard of a job to put on power steering,
> worth the effort/money?
>
> thanks
> johnp

Mike Romain

You already started a thread about this so I will just copy my reply
here:

Those are not 'adjustments' you can make to the steering. Those are set
up adjustments for the box and unless done exactly right, the box will
'very' soon be garbage. Every one I have seen 'adjusted' in the truck
has been scrap metal really soon after.

Maybe Bill has a link on setting up the manual box, I only have the pdf
for the power box.

The top 'adjuster' is for the over center adjustment and on a power box
needs to be tightened until the steering shaft needs 5 inch pounds to
turn off center when it is out sitting in a vise. Almost impossible to
get right in the vehicle with the steering shaft and drag link
installed.

The left right slop adjustment is supposed to be from the adjuster plug
on the steering column end, not the top one. The top over center one is
set after the adjuster plug is set.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> O.K. 90YJ manual steering,
>
> so i played with my steering adjuster, the one on the top of the
> box,towards the front, i think ive got it back where it was,
>
> heres the problem, the jeep rides down the road like on a crown,and
> wants to float to iether side, of the crown,
> ive got about 6 inches of slop in the steering wheel, and when doing
> 70mph on the highway, if i have to hit the breaks, i end up darting all
> over,
>
> theres no shake or shimmy or vibes when driving,
> all tierod ends are tight,
> ball joints are good,
> tires inflated to 35pds,(allterain radials)
>
> i do hear and see slop inside the steering box when my son racks the
> wheel back and fourth,
>
> ive got the newer 90YJ jeep book from schucks auto, but its kinda
> skinny on what to do,
> im thinking of taking it out this weekend,
>
> i would realy apriciate any help here,
> if anybody could direct me to a "real" repair site,
> im too cheap to take it to a shop , i like screwing things up myself
> and saving my money for more "add-ons"
>
> second stupid question,
> how hard of a job to put on power steering,
> worth the effort/money?
>
> thanks
> johnp

Lee Ayrton

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:

> so i played with my steering adjuster, the one on the top of the
> box,towards the front, i think ive got it back where it was,
[snip]

You've already been told -- by people that know their stuff -- that that's
a bench setup, not an in-truck adjustment.


> if anybody could direct me to a "real" repair site, im too cheap to take
> it to a shop , i like screwing things up myself and saving my money for
> more "add-ons"

Yeah. Sear covers, diamond plate and stainless doodads will certainly
help your steering problems. Don't forget to sock some money away for the
funeral.

Not yours, the poor innocent sod you're going to kill when you lose
control and hit him/her/them. Take it to a competent front-end shop --
one where a sledge hammer isn't the only tool on the wall -- and have
someone who isn't guessing undo what you've "fixed". Now.

As though the roads aren't dangerous enough already....


--
Thank ghod it's Them instead of You.

Lee Ayrton

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:

> so i played with my steering adjuster, the one on the top of the
> box,towards the front, i think ive got it back where it was,
[snip]

You've already been told -- by people that know their stuff -- that that's
a bench setup, not an in-truck adjustment.


> if anybody could direct me to a "real" repair site, im too cheap to take
> it to a shop , i like screwing things up myself and saving my money for
> more "add-ons"

Yeah. Sear covers, diamond plate and stainless doodads will certainly
help your steering problems. Don't forget to sock some money away for the
funeral.

Not yours, the poor innocent sod you're going to kill when you lose
control and hit him/her/them. Take it to a competent front-end shop --
one where a sledge hammer isn't the only tool on the wall -- and have
someone who isn't guessing undo what you've "fixed". Now.

As though the roads aren't dangerous enough already....


--
Thank ghod it's Them instead of You.

Lee Ayrton

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:

> so i played with my steering adjuster, the one on the top of the
> box,towards the front, i think ive got it back where it was,
[snip]

You've already been told -- by people that know their stuff -- that that's
a bench setup, not an in-truck adjustment.


> if anybody could direct me to a "real" repair site, im too cheap to take
> it to a shop , i like screwing things up myself and saving my money for
> more "add-ons"

Yeah. Sear covers, diamond plate and stainless doodads will certainly
help your steering problems. Don't forget to sock some money away for the
funeral.

Not yours, the poor innocent sod you're going to kill when you lose
control and hit him/her/them. Take it to a competent front-end shop --
one where a sledge hammer isn't the only tool on the wall -- and have
someone who isn't guessing undo what you've "fixed". Now.

As though the roads aren't dangerous enough already....


--
Thank ghod it's Them instead of You.

scopenutt@yahoo.com

SORRY,
IM NOT SOME "WING-NUT"
who doesnt know what hes doing,
i do have machanincal experiance, but NOT with stering boxes,
i spent my younger years restoring classic cars with my dad,
im NOT certified but not just a sunny-shadetree machanic,
hence the asking for a better manual than the one i have,

i also stated i WAS removing the box this weekend,

I DO NOT BUY TRINKETS AND DOOO-DADS FEOM SEARS,

i DO have a sarcastic way of writing,
i DO get myself in too deep sometimes,
I DO know enought to stay off the roads,
i DO have a strip realy close,,realy close, to drive without traffic,
any traffic at all,
i DO ask stupid questions, but better to ask than not to,

and yes without a compitent book i know better than to go any further,

AND I DID ASK IF CHANGING TO POWER STEERING WAS PRACTICAL,
as a new manual box is 200.00 and a power steering one is 130.00
plus all the other stuff id need,
,

SORRY IF IVE PISSED THE GROUP OFF,
johnp
and yes i do have my stupid days this must be one of them,

scopenutt@yahoo.com

SORRY,
IM NOT SOME "WING-NUT"
who doesnt know what hes doing,
i do have machanincal experiance, but NOT with stering boxes,
i spent my younger years restoring classic cars with my dad,
im NOT certified but not just a sunny-shadetree machanic,
hence the asking for a better manual than the one i have,

i also stated i WAS removing the box this weekend,

I DO NOT BUY TRINKETS AND DOOO-DADS FEOM SEARS,

i DO have a sarcastic way of writing,
i DO get myself in too deep sometimes,
I DO know enought to stay off the roads,
i DO have a strip realy close,,realy close, to drive without traffic,
any traffic at all,
i DO ask stupid questions, but better to ask than not to,

and yes without a compitent book i know better than to go any further,

AND I DID ASK IF CHANGING TO POWER STEERING WAS PRACTICAL,
as a new manual box is 200.00 and a power steering one is 130.00
plus all the other stuff id need,
,

SORRY IF IVE PISSED THE GROUP OFF,
johnp
and yes i do have my stupid days this must be one of them,

scopenutt@yahoo.com

SORRY,
IM NOT SOME "WING-NUT"
who doesnt know what hes doing,
i do have machanincal experiance, but NOT with stering boxes,
i spent my younger years restoring classic cars with my dad,
im NOT certified but not just a sunny-shadetree machanic,
hence the asking for a better manual than the one i have,

i also stated i WAS removing the box this weekend,

I DO NOT BUY TRINKETS AND DOOO-DADS FEOM SEARS,

i DO have a sarcastic way of writing,
i DO get myself in too deep sometimes,
I DO know enought to stay off the roads,
i DO have a strip realy close,,realy close, to drive without traffic,
any traffic at all,
i DO ask stupid questions, but better to ask than not to,

and yes without a compitent book i know better than to go any further,

AND I DID ASK IF CHANGING TO POWER STEERING WAS PRACTICAL,
as a new manual box is 200.00 and a power steering one is 130.00
plus all the other stuff id need,
,

SORRY IF IVE PISSED THE GROUP OFF,
johnp
and yes i do have my stupid days this must be one of them,