Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
05-08-2004 | 04:22 PM
#91
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
I will try again...
I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
bracket.
Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
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> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
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I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
bracket.
Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
05-08-2004 | 04:22 PM
#92
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
I will try again...
I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
bracket.
Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
bracket.
Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
05-08-2004 | 04:22 PM
#93
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
I will try again...
I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
bracket.
Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
bracket.
Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
05-08-2004 | 04:48 PM
#94
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
You know Dell, I am thinking on it and they were likely really close to
each other for setting the limit...
We could move the drum some with the bar on and the loose shock didn't
fall out so it wasn't bottomed, but....
We weren't twisting the axle up, it was at full droop on both sides. I
bet the geometry totally changes if one wheel is stuffed up in the
fender.
I wouldn't rely on what we did as the only way it could work or seem to
work when designing your system.
In a double full droop like both wheels hitting a ditch or catching air,
I don't think the shocks could bottom out, one down and one up,
well.... I don't know.
I busted a shock pin stuffing and dropping an axle on my CJ7, but in a
ditch or free hang, the springs are my limit.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
each other for setting the limit...
We could move the drum some with the bar on and the loose shock didn't
fall out so it wasn't bottomed, but....
We weren't twisting the axle up, it was at full droop on both sides. I
bet the geometry totally changes if one wheel is stuffed up in the
fender.
I wouldn't rely on what we did as the only way it could work or seem to
work when designing your system.
In a double full droop like both wheels hitting a ditch or catching air,
I don't think the shocks could bottom out, one down and one up,
well.... I don't know.
I busted a shock pin stuffing and dropping an axle on my CJ7, but in a
ditch or free hang, the springs are my limit.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
05-08-2004 | 04:48 PM
#95
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
You know Dell, I am thinking on it and they were likely really close to
each other for setting the limit...
We could move the drum some with the bar on and the loose shock didn't
fall out so it wasn't bottomed, but....
We weren't twisting the axle up, it was at full droop on both sides. I
bet the geometry totally changes if one wheel is stuffed up in the
fender.
I wouldn't rely on what we did as the only way it could work or seem to
work when designing your system.
In a double full droop like both wheels hitting a ditch or catching air,
I don't think the shocks could bottom out, one down and one up,
well.... I don't know.
I busted a shock pin stuffing and dropping an axle on my CJ7, but in a
ditch or free hang, the springs are my limit.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
each other for setting the limit...
We could move the drum some with the bar on and the loose shock didn't
fall out so it wasn't bottomed, but....
We weren't twisting the axle up, it was at full droop on both sides. I
bet the geometry totally changes if one wheel is stuffed up in the
fender.
I wouldn't rely on what we did as the only way it could work or seem to
work when designing your system.
In a double full droop like both wheels hitting a ditch or catching air,
I don't think the shocks could bottom out, one down and one up,
well.... I don't know.
I busted a shock pin stuffing and dropping an axle on my CJ7, but in a
ditch or free hang, the springs are my limit.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
05-08-2004 | 04:48 PM
#96
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
You know Dell, I am thinking on it and they were likely really close to
each other for setting the limit...
We could move the drum some with the bar on and the loose shock didn't
fall out so it wasn't bottomed, but....
We weren't twisting the axle up, it was at full droop on both sides. I
bet the geometry totally changes if one wheel is stuffed up in the
fender.
I wouldn't rely on what we did as the only way it could work or seem to
work when designing your system.
In a double full droop like both wheels hitting a ditch or catching air,
I don't think the shocks could bottom out, one down and one up,
well.... I don't know.
I busted a shock pin stuffing and dropping an axle on my CJ7, but in a
ditch or free hang, the springs are my limit.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
each other for setting the limit...
We could move the drum some with the bar on and the loose shock didn't
fall out so it wasn't bottomed, but....
We weren't twisting the axle up, it was at full droop on both sides. I
bet the geometry totally changes if one wheel is stuffed up in the
fender.
I wouldn't rely on what we did as the only way it could work or seem to
work when designing your system.
In a double full droop like both wheels hitting a ditch or catching air,
I don't think the shocks could bottom out, one down and one up,
well.... I don't know.
I busted a shock pin stuffing and dropping an axle on my CJ7, but in a
ditch or free hang, the springs are my limit.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
05-08-2004 | 04:48 PM
#97
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
You know Dell, I am thinking on it and they were likely really close to
each other for setting the limit...
We could move the drum some with the bar on and the loose shock didn't
fall out so it wasn't bottomed, but....
We weren't twisting the axle up, it was at full droop on both sides. I
bet the geometry totally changes if one wheel is stuffed up in the
fender.
I wouldn't rely on what we did as the only way it could work or seem to
work when designing your system.
In a double full droop like both wheels hitting a ditch or catching air,
I don't think the shocks could bottom out, one down and one up,
well.... I don't know.
I busted a shock pin stuffing and dropping an axle on my CJ7, but in a
ditch or free hang, the springs are my limit.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
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each other for setting the limit...
We could move the drum some with the bar on and the loose shock didn't
fall out so it wasn't bottomed, but....
We weren't twisting the axle up, it was at full droop on both sides. I
bet the geometry totally changes if one wheel is stuffed up in the
fender.
I wouldn't rely on what we did as the only way it could work or seem to
work when designing your system.
In a double full droop like both wheels hitting a ditch or catching air,
I don't think the shocks could bottom out, one down and one up,
well.... I don't know.
I busted a shock pin stuffing and dropping an axle on my CJ7, but in a
ditch or free hang, the springs are my limit.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> In <409CE10F.3E84E6F9@sympatico.ca> Mike Romain wrote:
> > You didn't bother to read the whole thread did you.
> >
> > Man, lifts and the mechanics involves sure confuse folks sometimes.
>
> I've read the whole thread and I understand the mechanics. This could
> be cleared up if you would just answer my question, this being the third
> time I have asked it. When you had the Jeep suspended by its frame, and
> removed the rear shocks, did they have any further extension left or
> were they already at their limit? If they were at their limit, then the
> shocks are the limiting factor. If they still had extension left, then
> the swaybar was. If it turns out that I am wrong, I will admit it but
> not without some proof, which I will trust you to supply accurately.
>
> And yes, I know that using the shocks to limit the travel is not the way
> it "should" be done, but that certainly isn't going to stop Jeep from
> designing it that way. I know for a fact that the shocks are the
> limiter on the front of a stock TJ, because they are all that is keeping
> my front driveshaft from hitting my mopar oil pan skid plate at full
> extension. I have spacers up there but I kept the stock shocks in place
> specifically to avoid dealing with that issue for a while.
>
> On the rear, I am now not as convinced that the shocks are in fact the
> limiter on a stock TJ, which is why I am waiting for an answer to my
> question.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
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05-08-2004 | 05:03 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
And that's as designed.
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I will try again...
>
> I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
>
> The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
> bracket.
>
> Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
> jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
>
> Mike
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I will try again...
>
> I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
>
> The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
> bracket.
>
> Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
> jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
>
> Mike
05-08-2004 | 05:03 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
And that's as designed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I will try again...
>
> I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
>
> The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
> bracket.
>
> Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
> jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
>
> Mike
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I will try again...
>
> I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
>
> The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
> bracket.
>
> Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
> jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
>
> Mike
05-08-2004 | 05:03 PM
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Re: Are their any tricks for installing a 2" coil spacer in a TJ?
And that's as designed.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I will try again...
>
> I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
>
> The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
> bracket.
>
> Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
> jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
>
> Mike
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I will try again...
>
> I unbolted the shock and we stood on the brake drum.
>
> The spring would not fall out and the shock did not fall out of it's
> bracket.
>
> Put jack under axle and undid anti-sway bar link. Axle came down with
> jack and the shock came out of it's bracket, then the spring fell out.
>
> Mike