Re: Roof Rack! Now Silicone and Steel Rot
 

What about the urethane adhesive/sealants?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44771E2E.EA7E57BC@sympatico.ca...
> We had quite the thread going about the effects of silicone on metal a
> while back here. One gent on the group actually did testing on the
> outgassing and it's effects on circuit boards I think it was.
>
> Mike
>
> Seahag wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't me...the manufacturer included it with the kit and
>> directions. I just put it extra on the tail lights. We've
>> avoided silicone like the plague on boats. While I trust
>> your opinion on things Jeep and camping (love the trailer
>> and duck) I like second opinions too. It's a Geezette
>> thang:^)
>>
>> Seahag
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >I could take a photo of a CJ7 oil pan with a silicone glued
>> >on skid
>> > plate and the rust holes through it.....
>> >
>> > You aren't the only one who thought it was a good idea....
>> >
>> > Stock, they use 2 sided tape for the skid plate.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Seahag wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I feel better now:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-...l-pan-skid.htm
>> >>
>> >> Seahag
>> >>
>> >> "Seahag" <Seahag@toadymail.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:44760c70_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> > Crikey, I knew I'd have to take something apart. Well,
>> >> > at
>> >> > least it's a long weekend!
>> >> >
>> >> > Seahag
>> >> >
>> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >> Aww geese.... Then you really' don't want to know
>> >> >> what I
>> >> >> am going to
>> >> >> say next....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Silicone out gasses a gas that turns into acid in
>> >> >> contact
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> water/humidity. This acid will eat the body metal
>> >> >> totally away. The
>> >> >> number of windshield frames I have seen totally rotted
>> >> >> through from that
>> >> >> is amazing. Normally one would use a butyl sealant
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> body metal or
>> >> >> stuff they call 'seam sealer'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mike
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ah, Neverseize and Eversieze! I live on a boat so
>> >> >>> salt
>> >> >>> protection is second nature. I ran a bead of
>> >> >>> silicone
>> >> >>> _around_ the 3 bolt triangle to slow down water
>> >> >>> penetration.
>> >> >>> Made things really interesting to hold while I got a
>> >> >>> bolt
>> >> >>> in, next time I'm having an awl handy!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Seahag
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>> >I live in the salt belt so I like antiseize and
>> >> >>> >loctite.
>> >> >>> >Both products
>> >> >>> > keep corrosion away really well.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > If they are now working ok, then likely your Jeep
>> >> >>> > was
>> >> >>> > new
>> >> >>> > enough not to
>> >> >>> > have immediate issues. If you get strange lights
>> >> >>> > down
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > road
>> >> >>> > sometime, just think of those bolts first... ;-)
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Mike
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Akkk! And there I was all proud of myself! Is
>> >> >>> >> there
>> >> >>> >> something I should do to neutralize this? Seems
>> >> >>> >> like
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> lights are now grounded on the tub and the rack!
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Seahag
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > Just be aware that the tail lights ground
>> >> >>> >> > through
>> >> >>> >> > their
>> >> >>> >> > bolts and
>> >> >>> >> > sometimes putting a spacer under them leaves a
>> >> >>> >> > rusty
>> >> >>> >> > part
>> >> >>> >> > of the bolt on
>> >> >>> >> > the body metal which can cause strange things to
>> >> >>> >> > happen
>> >> >>> >> > when you hit the
>> >> >>> >> > brakes or signals with the headlights on....
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Mike
>> >> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
>> >> >>> >> > to
>> >> >>> >> > tail
>> >> >>> >> > in
>> >> >>> >> > '00
>> >> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can
>> >> >>> >> > still
>> >> >>> >> > view!
>> >> >>> >> > Jan/06
>> >> >>> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view
>> >> >>> >> > page)
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> I'm just tickled pimk! It took me a couple
>> >> >>> >> >> days,
>> >> >>> >> >> off
>> >> >>> >> >> and
>> >> >>> >> >> on, to install the rack and it looks great! My
>> >> >>> >> >> window
>> >> >>> >> >> hinge
>> >> >>> >> >> bolts came out with little trouble, only needed
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> impact
>> >> >>> >> >> wrench on one bolt, and the tail lights are a
>> >> >>> >> >> cinch to
>> >> >>> >> >> remove. I'm really pleased I managed to get
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> whole
>> >> >>> >> >> thing
>> >> >>> >> >> up there, by myself, with out messing anything
>> >> >>> >> >> up!
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Oh, and they don't sell just the doohicky off
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> rear
>> >> >>> >> >> window retaining bar:^( Guess I'll check out
>> >> >>> >> >> junk
>> >> >>> >> >> yards,
>> >> >>> >> >> yay! (I had a Pinto...I luv junk yards...
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Seahag
>> >> >
>> >> >

Re: Roof Rack! Now Silicone and Steel Rot
 

What about the urethane adhesive/sealants?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44771E2E.EA7E57BC@sympatico.ca...
> We had quite the thread going about the effects of silicone on metal a
> while back here. One gent on the group actually did testing on the
> outgassing and it's effects on circuit boards I think it was.
>
> Mike
>
> Seahag wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't me...the manufacturer included it with the kit and
>> directions. I just put it extra on the tail lights. We've
>> avoided silicone like the plague on boats. While I trust
>> your opinion on things Jeep and camping (love the trailer
>> and duck) I like second opinions too. It's a Geezette
>> thang:^)
>>
>> Seahag
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >I could take a photo of a CJ7 oil pan with a silicone glued
>> >on skid
>> > plate and the rust holes through it.....
>> >
>> > You aren't the only one who thought it was a good idea....
>> >
>> > Stock, they use 2 sided tape for the skid plate.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Seahag wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I feel better now:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-...l-pan-skid.htm
>> >>
>> >> Seahag
>> >>
>> >> "Seahag" <Seahag@toadymail.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:44760c70_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> > Crikey, I knew I'd have to take something apart. Well,
>> >> > at
>> >> > least it's a long weekend!
>> >> >
>> >> > Seahag
>> >> >
>> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >> Aww geese.... Then you really' don't want to know
>> >> >> what I
>> >> >> am going to
>> >> >> say next....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Silicone out gasses a gas that turns into acid in
>> >> >> contact
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> water/humidity. This acid will eat the body metal
>> >> >> totally away. The
>> >> >> number of windshield frames I have seen totally rotted
>> >> >> through from that
>> >> >> is amazing. Normally one would use a butyl sealant
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> body metal or
>> >> >> stuff they call 'seam sealer'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mike
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ah, Neverseize and Eversieze! I live on a boat so
>> >> >>> salt
>> >> >>> protection is second nature. I ran a bead of
>> >> >>> silicone
>> >> >>> _around_ the 3 bolt triangle to slow down water
>> >> >>> penetration.
>> >> >>> Made things really interesting to hold while I got a
>> >> >>> bolt
>> >> >>> in, next time I'm having an awl handy!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Seahag
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>> >I live in the salt belt so I like antiseize and
>> >> >>> >loctite.
>> >> >>> >Both products
>> >> >>> > keep corrosion away really well.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > If they are now working ok, then likely your Jeep
>> >> >>> > was
>> >> >>> > new
>> >> >>> > enough not to
>> >> >>> > have immediate issues. If you get strange lights
>> >> >>> > down
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > road
>> >> >>> > sometime, just think of those bolts first... ;-)
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Mike
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Akkk! And there I was all proud of myself! Is
>> >> >>> >> there
>> >> >>> >> something I should do to neutralize this? Seems
>> >> >>> >> like
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> lights are now grounded on the tub and the rack!
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Seahag
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > Just be aware that the tail lights ground
>> >> >>> >> > through
>> >> >>> >> > their
>> >> >>> >> > bolts and
>> >> >>> >> > sometimes putting a spacer under them leaves a
>> >> >>> >> > rusty
>> >> >>> >> > part
>> >> >>> >> > of the bolt on
>> >> >>> >> > the body metal which can cause strange things to
>> >> >>> >> > happen
>> >> >>> >> > when you hit the
>> >> >>> >> > brakes or signals with the headlights on....
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Mike
>> >> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
>> >> >>> >> > to
>> >> >>> >> > tail
>> >> >>> >> > in
>> >> >>> >> > '00
>> >> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can
>> >> >>> >> > still
>> >> >>> >> > view!
>> >> >>> >> > Jan/06
>> >> >>> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view
>> >> >>> >> > page)
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> I'm just tickled pimk! It took me a couple
>> >> >>> >> >> days,
>> >> >>> >> >> off
>> >> >>> >> >> and
>> >> >>> >> >> on, to install the rack and it looks great! My
>> >> >>> >> >> window
>> >> >>> >> >> hinge
>> >> >>> >> >> bolts came out with little trouble, only needed
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> impact
>> >> >>> >> >> wrench on one bolt, and the tail lights are a
>> >> >>> >> >> cinch to
>> >> >>> >> >> remove. I'm really pleased I managed to get
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> whole
>> >> >>> >> >> thing
>> >> >>> >> >> up there, by myself, with out messing anything
>> >> >>> >> >> up!
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Oh, and they don't sell just the doohicky off
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> rear
>> >> >>> >> >> window retaining bar:^( Guess I'll check out
>> >> >>> >> >> junk
>> >> >>> >> >> yards,
>> >> >>> >> >> yay! (I had a Pinto...I luv junk yards...
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Seahag
>> >> >
>> >> >

Re: Roof Rack! Now Silicone and Steel Rot
 

What about the urethane adhesive/sealants?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44771E2E.EA7E57BC@sympatico.ca...
> We had quite the thread going about the effects of silicone on metal a
> while back here. One gent on the group actually did testing on the
> outgassing and it's effects on circuit boards I think it was.
>
> Mike
>
> Seahag wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't me...the manufacturer included it with the kit and
>> directions. I just put it extra on the tail lights. We've
>> avoided silicone like the plague on boats. While I trust
>> your opinion on things Jeep and camping (love the trailer
>> and duck) I like second opinions too. It's a Geezette
>> thang:^)
>>
>> Seahag
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >I could take a photo of a CJ7 oil pan with a silicone glued
>> >on skid
>> > plate and the rust holes through it.....
>> >
>> > You aren't the only one who thought it was a good idea....
>> >
>> > Stock, they use 2 sided tape for the skid plate.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Seahag wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I feel better now:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-...l-pan-skid.htm
>> >>
>> >> Seahag
>> >>
>> >> "Seahag" <Seahag@toadymail.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:44760c70_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> > Crikey, I knew I'd have to take something apart. Well,
>> >> > at
>> >> > least it's a long weekend!
>> >> >
>> >> > Seahag
>> >> >
>> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >> Aww geese.... Then you really' don't want to know
>> >> >> what I
>> >> >> am going to
>> >> >> say next....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Silicone out gasses a gas that turns into acid in
>> >> >> contact
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> water/humidity. This acid will eat the body metal
>> >> >> totally away. The
>> >> >> number of windshield frames I have seen totally rotted
>> >> >> through from that
>> >> >> is amazing. Normally one would use a butyl sealant
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> body metal or
>> >> >> stuff they call 'seam sealer'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mike
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ah, Neverseize and Eversieze! I live on a boat so
>> >> >>> salt
>> >> >>> protection is second nature. I ran a bead of
>> >> >>> silicone
>> >> >>> _around_ the 3 bolt triangle to slow down water
>> >> >>> penetration.
>> >> >>> Made things really interesting to hold while I got a
>> >> >>> bolt
>> >> >>> in, next time I'm having an awl handy!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Seahag
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>> >I live in the salt belt so I like antiseize and
>> >> >>> >loctite.
>> >> >>> >Both products
>> >> >>> > keep corrosion away really well.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > If they are now working ok, then likely your Jeep
>> >> >>> > was
>> >> >>> > new
>> >> >>> > enough not to
>> >> >>> > have immediate issues. If you get strange lights
>> >> >>> > down
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > road
>> >> >>> > sometime, just think of those bolts first... ;-)
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Mike
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Akkk! And there I was all proud of myself! Is
>> >> >>> >> there
>> >> >>> >> something I should do to neutralize this? Seems
>> >> >>> >> like
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> lights are now grounded on the tub and the rack!
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Seahag
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > Just be aware that the tail lights ground
>> >> >>> >> > through
>> >> >>> >> > their
>> >> >>> >> > bolts and
>> >> >>> >> > sometimes putting a spacer under them leaves a
>> >> >>> >> > rusty
>> >> >>> >> > part
>> >> >>> >> > of the bolt on
>> >> >>> >> > the body metal which can cause strange things to
>> >> >>> >> > happen
>> >> >>> >> > when you hit the
>> >> >>> >> > brakes or signals with the headlights on....
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Mike
>> >> >>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
>> >> >>> >> > to
>> >> >>> >> > tail
>> >> >>> >> > in
>> >> >>> >> > '00
>> >> >>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >>> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can
>> >> >>> >> > still
>> >> >>> >> > view!
>> >> >>> >> > Jan/06
>> >> >>> >> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> >> >>> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view
>> >> >>> >> > page)
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> > Seahag wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> I'm just tickled pimk! It took me a couple
>> >> >>> >> >> days,
>> >> >>> >> >> off
>> >> >>> >> >> and
>> >> >>> >> >> on, to install the rack and it looks great! My
>> >> >>> >> >> window
>> >> >>> >> >> hinge
>> >> >>> >> >> bolts came out with little trouble, only needed
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> impact
>> >> >>> >> >> wrench on one bolt, and the tail lights are a
>> >> >>> >> >> cinch to
>> >> >>> >> >> remove. I'm really pleased I managed to get
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> whole
>> >> >>> >> >> thing
>> >> >>> >> >> up there, by myself, with out messing anything
>> >> >>> >> >> up!
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Oh, and they don't sell just the doohicky off
>> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> rear
>> >> >>> >> >> window retaining bar:^( Guess I'll check out
>> >> >>> >> >> junk
>> >> >>> >> >> yards,
>> >> >>> >> >> yay! (I had a Pinto...I luv junk yards...
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Seahag
>> >> >
>> >> >