Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle "Doug W"
 

I feel nothing but pitty for you.I am also surprised that you can
only use bad language on this news group.
I guess you only stay home on Sunday's.
As a technician,I can not use improper terms.(terms used for
diagnostics).
Are you a auto tech?Or a shade tree mechanic on the week ends?
I am glad you do not do repairs in my city.
Good luck in your adventures.
Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Chinook winds tend to dry things out. In the northeast where I grew up
there wasn't much wind (except for hurricane season) but lots and lots of
moisture, plus salt on the roads. Unless you took off your parking brake
cables every couple years to soak them in oil and work them loose they would
become solid like a rusted piece of rebar pretty fast. Massachusetts had a
safety inspection that included parking brake operation where they had to
stall the engine in gear if standard or keep the car from moving if
automatic. They didn't inspect any part of the foot brake system though. I
never could figure that one out.

Earle

"fred" <fred@nucleas.com> wrote in message
news:l00gkv4si051tfqpt1391jh7fmrrumr3vj@4ax.com...
> >It is not usually the -40 weather that causes trouble. It is too cold
> >to have any free liquid splashing around.
>
> It's been known to go from -40f to +40f in a day and back again --
> based on chinook winds, so massive thaw/freeze cycles, and
> still never ever had a problem on any well maintained vehicle.
>

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Chinook winds tend to dry things out. In the northeast where I grew up
there wasn't much wind (except for hurricane season) but lots and lots of
moisture, plus salt on the roads. Unless you took off your parking brake
cables every couple years to soak them in oil and work them loose they would
become solid like a rusted piece of rebar pretty fast. Massachusetts had a
safety inspection that included parking brake operation where they had to
stall the engine in gear if standard or keep the car from moving if
automatic. They didn't inspect any part of the foot brake system though. I
never could figure that one out.

Earle

"fred" <fred@nucleas.com> wrote in message
news:l00gkv4si051tfqpt1391jh7fmrrumr3vj@4ax.com...
> >It is not usually the -40 weather that causes trouble. It is too cold
> >to have any free liquid splashing around.
>
> It's been known to go from -40f to +40f in a day and back again --
> based on chinook winds, so massive thaw/freeze cycles, and
> still never ever had a problem on any well maintained vehicle.
>

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

amen to that!
big ice storms here in 96, had the parking break freeze in place, and I was backed
into a shed at the time. called around and the shops gave me 3 possible ways to fix
it.

1 - pop it hard in reverse and see if the ice chunk breaks (and try not to go thru
the back of the shed).

2 - take the wheels off and use a hairdryer to melt out the ice.

3 - wait until it thaws (that was like 3 weeks it turns out).

I tried number 1, and it did break the ice and just barely missed going thru the rear
wall. I was able to get the brake off and move the rig again - the rig wouldnt move
at all fowards before I did this. Thats the LAST time I used the parking/emergency
brake in the winter.



On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:40:41 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>fred wrote:
>>>
>>> >As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
>>> >for a while.. a long while..
>>>
>>> Really.. that's the first I've herd of that.. During the winter
>>> months tempuratures get down to -40f with some massive
>>> wind chills on top of that -- I've owned standards for years
>>> most people I know have them and use the parking brake
>>> all the time.. Never ever had a problem with it on any of the
>>> vehicles I've owned.. Then again the brakes are usually
>>> serviced prior to winters arrival as are many other things
>>> in normal vehicle winterization..
>>
>>It is not usually the -40 weather that causes trouble. It is too cold
>>to have any free liquid splashing around.
>>
>>It is the closer to O F freezing and slushy roads that are the killer.
>>The slush splashes up and freezes solid over night.
>>
>>I worked in garages in the slush belt and had a lot of service calls for
>>that as well as have seen a pile of burned out, literally, back brakes.
>>
>>I have even had it happen twice to me when I lent my vehicle to someone
>>else and they brought it back with cooked brakes.
>>
>>It happened to a TJ from here on our last Jan run. He damn near slid
>>off a cliff before we figured out what was going on, real lucky, he slid
>>off the trail on the high side first, and then was crabbing to the drop
>>off when we clued in. We were like 50 feet from the camp.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

amen to that!
big ice storms here in 96, had the parking break freeze in place, and I was backed
into a shed at the time. called around and the shops gave me 3 possible ways to fix
it.

1 - pop it hard in reverse and see if the ice chunk breaks (and try not to go thru
the back of the shed).

2 - take the wheels off and use a hairdryer to melt out the ice.

3 - wait until it thaws (that was like 3 weeks it turns out).

I tried number 1, and it did break the ice and just barely missed going thru the rear
wall. I was able to get the brake off and move the rig again - the rig wouldnt move
at all fowards before I did this. Thats the LAST time I used the parking/emergency
brake in the winter.



On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:40:41 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>fred wrote:
>>>
>>> >As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
>>> >for a while.. a long while..
>>>
>>> Really.. that's the first I've herd of that.. During the winter
>>> months tempuratures get down to -40f with some massive
>>> wind chills on top of that -- I've owned standards for years
>>> most people I know have them and use the parking brake
>>> all the time.. Never ever had a problem with it on any of the
>>> vehicles I've owned.. Then again the brakes are usually
>>> serviced prior to winters arrival as are many other things
>>> in normal vehicle winterization..
>>
>>It is not usually the -40 weather that causes trouble. It is too cold
>>to have any free liquid splashing around.
>>
>>It is the closer to O F freezing and slushy roads that are the killer.
>>The slush splashes up and freezes solid over night.
>>
>>I worked in garages in the slush belt and had a lot of service calls for
>>that as well as have seen a pile of burned out, literally, back brakes.
>>
>>I have even had it happen twice to me when I lent my vehicle to someone
>>else and they brought it back with cooked brakes.
>>
>>It happened to a TJ from here on our last Jan run. He damn near slid
>>off a cliff before we figured out what was going on, real lucky, he slid
>>off the trail on the high side first, and then was crabbing to the drop
>>off when we clued in. We were like 50 feet from the camp.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle "Doug W"
 

Wow, that's a pretty amusing combination of statements!


"mctiger" <mctiger@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Yes -I do know how to post a message just for you.
> Jerk!
> Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle "Doug W"
 

Wow, that's a pretty amusing combination of statements!


"mctiger" <mctiger@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:p60gkvcl2pr16k1thvct03k4fm1tg4i1o6@4ax.com...
> Yes -I do know how to post a message just for you.
> Jerk!
> Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

It only takes once eh?

I have seen it way too many times.

The reverse shot might have worked for 'snowboardripper' too because
after a couple hard forward reverse brake locks and a bunch of pumping
on the brake lever it let loose.

Mike

jbjeep wrote:
>
> amen to that!
> big ice storms here in 96, had the parking break freeze in place, and I was backed
> into a shed at the time. called around and the shops gave me 3 possible ways to fix
> it.
>
> 1 - pop it hard in reverse and see if the ice chunk breaks (and try not to go thru
> the back of the shed).
>
> 2 - take the wheels off and use a hairdryer to melt out the ice.
>
> 3 - wait until it thaws (that was like 3 weeks it turns out).
>
> I tried number 1, and it did break the ice and just barely missed going thru the rear
> wall. I was able to get the brake off and move the rig again - the rig wouldnt move
> at all fowards before I did this. Thats the LAST time I used the parking/emergency
> brake in the winter.
>
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:40:41 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>fred wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
> >>> >for a while.. a long while..
> >>>
> >>> Really.. that's the first I've herd of that.. During the winter
> >>> months tempuratures get down to -40f with some massive
> >>> wind chills on top of that -- I've owned standards for years
> >>> most people I know have them and use the parking brake
> >>> all the time.. Never ever had a problem with it on any of the
> >>> vehicles I've owned.. Then again the brakes are usually
> >>> serviced prior to winters arrival as are many other things
> >>> in normal vehicle winterization..
> >>
> >>It is not usually the -40 weather that causes trouble. It is too cold
> >>to have any free liquid splashing around.
> >>
> >>It is the closer to O F freezing and slushy roads that are the killer.
> >>The slush splashes up and freezes solid over night.
> >>
> >>I worked in garages in the slush belt and had a lot of service calls for
> >>that as well as have seen a pile of burned out, literally, back brakes.
> >>
> >>I have even had it happen twice to me when I lent my vehicle to someone
> >>else and they brought it back with cooked brakes.
> >>
> >>It happened to a TJ from here on our last Jan run. He damn near slid
> >>off a cliff before we figured out what was going on, real lucky, he slid
> >>off the trail on the high side first, and then was crabbing to the drop
> >>off when we clued in. We were like 50 feet from the camp.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

It only takes once eh?

I have seen it way too many times.

The reverse shot might have worked for 'snowboardripper' too because
after a couple hard forward reverse brake locks and a bunch of pumping
on the brake lever it let loose.

Mike

jbjeep wrote:
>
> amen to that!
> big ice storms here in 96, had the parking break freeze in place, and I was backed
> into a shed at the time. called around and the shops gave me 3 possible ways to fix
> it.
>
> 1 - pop it hard in reverse and see if the ice chunk breaks (and try not to go thru
> the back of the shed).
>
> 2 - take the wheels off and use a hairdryer to melt out the ice.
>
> 3 - wait until it thaws (that was like 3 weeks it turns out).
>
> I tried number 1, and it did break the ice and just barely missed going thru the rear
> wall. I was able to get the brake off and move the rig again - the rig wouldnt move
> at all fowards before I did this. Thats the LAST time I used the parking/emergency
> brake in the winter.
>
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:40:41 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>fred wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
> >>> >for a while.. a long while..
> >>>
> >>> Really.. that's the first I've herd of that.. During the winter
> >>> months tempuratures get down to -40f with some massive
> >>> wind chills on top of that -- I've owned standards for years
> >>> most people I know have them and use the parking brake
> >>> all the time.. Never ever had a problem with it on any of the
> >>> vehicles I've owned.. Then again the brakes are usually
> >>> serviced prior to winters arrival as are many other things
> >>> in normal vehicle winterization..
> >>
> >>It is not usually the -40 weather that causes trouble. It is too cold
> >>to have any free liquid splashing around.
> >>
> >>It is the closer to O F freezing and slushy roads that are the killer.
> >>The slush splashes up and freezes solid over night.
> >>
> >>I worked in garages in the slush belt and had a lot of service calls for
> >>that as well as have seen a pile of burned out, literally, back brakes.
> >>
> >>I have even had it happen twice to me when I lent my vehicle to someone
> >>else and they brought it back with cooked brakes.
> >>
> >>It happened to a TJ from here on our last Jan run. He damn near slid
> >>off a cliff before we figured out what was going on, real lucky, he slid
> >>off the trail on the high side first, and then was crabbing to the drop
> >>off when we clued in. We were like 50 feet from the camp.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Ice? Oh yes, that's the pretty white fluffy stuff we in Southern
California see in pictures.
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jbjeep wrote:
>
> amen to that!
> big ice storms here in 96, had the parking break freeze in place, and I was backed
> into a shed at the time. called around and the shops gave me 3 possible ways to fix
> it.
>
> 1 - pop it hard in reverse and see if the ice chunk breaks (and try not to go thru
> the back of the shed).
>
> 2 - take the wheels off and use a hairdryer to melt out the ice.
>
> 3 - wait until it thaws (that was like 3 weeks it turns out).
>
> I tried number 1, and it did break the ice and just barely missed going thru the rear
> wall. I was able to get the brake off and move the rig again - the rig wouldnt move
> at all fowards before I did this. Thats the LAST time I used the parking/emergency
> brake in the winter.