Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Approximately 8/23/03 08:20, Grumman-581 uttered for posterity:

> The emergency / parking brake is also good for making speed reductions
> without the rear brake lights coming on... For this, one should keep the
> thumb release depressed the entire time so that you can control how much
> braking action is applied without the brake lever locking... Since most of
> your braking action is from the front wheels, you don't slow down all that
> quickly though...

True, but by the time you manage, the cop usually has you on the
ticket book anyway.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Approximately 8/23/03 08:48, fred uttered for posterity:

>>As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
>>for a while.. a long while..
>
> Really.. that's the first I've herd of that.. During the winter
> months tempuratures get down to -40f with some massive
> wind chills on top of that -- I've owned standards for years
> most people I know have them and use the parking brake
> all the time.. Never ever had a problem with it on any of the
> vehicles I've owned.. Then again the brakes are usually
> serviced prior to winters arrival as are many other things
> in normal vehicle winterization..


A bit of icing along the mechanism will usually release when
you try to move in a low enough gear. If there is any moisture
on the pads or shoes themselves, it is *not* gonna release and
you aren't going anywhere until it thaws. Easy to prevent
if you remember, just drag the brakes a bit so they are
nice and hot before setting. Never really had any problems
with this even in montana class winters.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Approximately 8/23/03 08:48, fred uttered for posterity:

>>As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
>>for a while.. a long while..
>
> Really.. that's the first I've herd of that.. During the winter
> months tempuratures get down to -40f with some massive
> wind chills on top of that -- I've owned standards for years
> most people I know have them and use the parking brake
> all the time.. Never ever had a problem with it on any of the
> vehicles I've owned.. Then again the brakes are usually
> serviced prior to winters arrival as are many other things
> in normal vehicle winterization..


A bit of icing along the mechanism will usually release when
you try to move in a low enough gear. If there is any moisture
on the pads or shoes themselves, it is *not* gonna release and
you aren't going anywhere until it thaws. Easy to prevent
if you remember, just drag the brakes a bit so they are
nice and hot before setting. Never really had any problems
with this even in montana class winters.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Hi,
Just for the record there is only a parking break. Even in the
owners manual-no emergency brake.
ONLY A PARKING BRAKE!
Emergency brake was a term used for older cars when all around DRUM
Brakes were in use.
The only name is parking brake.Used to keep the vehicles in 1
position.
Not for stunt driving.
Just wanted to correct you .
Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Hi,
Just for the record there is only a parking break. Even in the
owners manual-no emergency brake.
ONLY A PARKING BRAKE!
Emergency brake was a term used for older cars when all around DRUM
Brakes were in use.
The only name is parking brake.Used to keep the vehicles in 1
position.
Not for stunt driving.
Just wanted to correct you .
Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

mctiger wrote:
> Hi,
> Just for the record there is only a parking break. Even in the
> owners manual-no emergency brake.

And we all know the owners manual is the tome of all knowledge.

> ONLY A PARKING BRAKE!

Your caps key is stuck.

> Emergency brake was a term used for older cars when all around DRUM
> Brakes were in use.

Got a news flash, those rear discs have drums inside them.

It's called a parking brake for legal reasons. When it was called
an emergency brake the mfg could get sued should it not stop a runaway
vehicle.

> The only name is parking brake.Used to keep the vehicles in 1
> position.
> Not for stunt driving.

Are you a stunt-driver? Are you sure about that?
The eBrake is used in defensive driving. Research a maneuver called
the J-turn. Done correctly it allows one to get out of bad situations,
done poorly it can flip your vehicle or brake things.

> Just wanted to correct you .
> Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

But I like mischief.

--
DougW

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

mctiger wrote:
> Hi,
> Just for the record there is only a parking break. Even in the
> owners manual-no emergency brake.

And we all know the owners manual is the tome of all knowledge.

> ONLY A PARKING BRAKE!

Your caps key is stuck.

> Emergency brake was a term used for older cars when all around DRUM
> Brakes were in use.

Got a news flash, those rear discs have drums inside them.

It's called a parking brake for legal reasons. When it was called
an emergency brake the mfg could get sued should it not stop a runaway
vehicle.

> The only name is parking brake.Used to keep the vehicles in 1
> position.
> Not for stunt driving.

Are you a stunt-driver? Are you sure about that?
The eBrake is used in defensive driving. Research a maneuver called
the J-turn. Done correctly it allows one to get out of bad situations,
done poorly it can flip your vehicle or brake things.

> Just wanted to correct you .
> Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

But I like mischief.

--
DougW

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

I had one master cylinder blow out totally in my GMC pickup at the start
of a 10 mile down hill coming off a mountain in BC Canada.

If I had of figured I only had a 'parking' brake left, I would be dead
right now.

I dropped the tranny down to second, then low and applied the
'emergency' brake slowly in pulses while doing it so I didn't lock it up
and managed to make the bottom of the hill and pull into the garage
there.

I owned several Volvos and a British Rover all with 4 wheel disk
brakes. Both had dual brake lines and dual pistons in the calipers so
if one hydraulic system failed there was a second independent hydraulic
system, not just a split front/back system like most vehicles.

'Both' had a drum brake inside the rear that was cable actuated and was
the 'emergency' brake in case of catastrophic failure of the MC.

I had to do an emergency stop once in the Rover to avoid an elk and both
front rotors shattered. I had no pedal. The 'emergency' drum brake
once again saved my ass.

I had an old Austin Mini, and same deal, the MC blew out and the
'emergency' brake got me off the road safely.

Jeep has a recall on the front rotors for a bunch of years of Jeeps up
here in the rust belt because of the same thing that happened to my
Rover, the disks corrode where they attach to the hub and a hard slam on
the brakes can allow the disk to separate from the hub, bingo no brake
pedal....

All BS aside, you 'really' want that cable brake to work as an
'emergency' brake and nothing else matters.

If you don't already know how to use it as an emergency brake, then for
your own sake and anyone else in your way you might kill, it is time to
learn.

Go into a big parking lot and do 30 or 40 mph then use it to stop. If a
foot brake, keep your hand on the release and pulse the pedal to come to
a stop. If a hand brake keep your thumb on the button and do the same.

Learning how to do that 'safely' can save your life!

I was 'taught' that in The Drivers Education Program back in 1973 for
the above stated reasons.

This is a Jeep group, we tend to drive old Jeeps, Master Cylinders fail
on old vehicles or even the new ones can have rotors fall off due to a
Chrysler defect causing no break pedal too.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

mctiger wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Just for the record there is only a parking break. Even in the
> owners manual-no emergency brake.
> ONLY A PARKING BRAKE!
> Emergency brake was a term used for older cars when all around DRUM
> Brakes were in use.
> The only name is parking brake.Used to keep the vehicles in 1
> position.
> Not for stunt driving.
> Just wanted to correct you .
> Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

I had one master cylinder blow out totally in my GMC pickup at the start
of a 10 mile down hill coming off a mountain in BC Canada.

If I had of figured I only had a 'parking' brake left, I would be dead
right now.

I dropped the tranny down to second, then low and applied the
'emergency' brake slowly in pulses while doing it so I didn't lock it up
and managed to make the bottom of the hill and pull into the garage
there.

I owned several Volvos and a British Rover all with 4 wheel disk
brakes. Both had dual brake lines and dual pistons in the calipers so
if one hydraulic system failed there was a second independent hydraulic
system, not just a split front/back system like most vehicles.

'Both' had a drum brake inside the rear that was cable actuated and was
the 'emergency' brake in case of catastrophic failure of the MC.

I had to do an emergency stop once in the Rover to avoid an elk and both
front rotors shattered. I had no pedal. The 'emergency' drum brake
once again saved my ass.

I had an old Austin Mini, and same deal, the MC blew out and the
'emergency' brake got me off the road safely.

Jeep has a recall on the front rotors for a bunch of years of Jeeps up
here in the rust belt because of the same thing that happened to my
Rover, the disks corrode where they attach to the hub and a hard slam on
the brakes can allow the disk to separate from the hub, bingo no brake
pedal....

All BS aside, you 'really' want that cable brake to work as an
'emergency' brake and nothing else matters.

If you don't already know how to use it as an emergency brake, then for
your own sake and anyone else in your way you might kill, it is time to
learn.

Go into a big parking lot and do 30 or 40 mph then use it to stop. If a
foot brake, keep your hand on the release and pulse the pedal to come to
a stop. If a hand brake keep your thumb on the button and do the same.

Learning how to do that 'safely' can save your life!

I was 'taught' that in The Drivers Education Program back in 1973 for
the above stated reasons.

This is a Jeep group, we tend to drive old Jeeps, Master Cylinders fail
on old vehicles or even the new ones can have rotors fall off due to a
Chrysler defect causing no break pedal too.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

mctiger wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Just for the record there is only a parking break. Even in the
> owners manual-no emergency brake.
> ONLY A PARKING BRAKE!
> Emergency brake was a term used for older cars when all around DRUM
> Brakes were in use.
> The only name is parking brake.Used to keep the vehicles in 1
> position.
> Not for stunt driving.
> Just wanted to correct you .
> Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:52:06 GMT, "DougW"
<post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:

>mctiger wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Just for the record there is only a parking break. Even in the
>> owners manual-no emergency brake.
>
>And we all know the owners manual is the tome of all knowledge. Even most people do not take the time to read it...
>
>> ONLY A PARKING BRAKE!
>
>Your caps key is stuck.---No-Just making it clear to those who need it.
>
>> Emergency brake was a term used for older cars when all around DRUM
>> Brakes were in use.
>
>Got a news flash, those rear discs have drums inside them. Oh you mean a rear/disk(auxiliary drum) parking brake system....
>
>It's called a parking brake for legal reasons. When it was called
>an emergency brake the mfg could get sued should it not stop a runaway
>vehicle.It is also illegal to remove a safty item from you car...Hummmmmmmm..
>
>> The only name is parking brake.Used to keep the vehicles in 1
>> position.
>> Not for stunt driving.like some people do????????????????????????????
>
>Are you a stunt-driver? No,are you?????????????????/ Are you sure about that? As for that one-----------yes How about you professor?
>The eBrake is used in defensive driving. Research a maneuver called
>the J-turn. Done correctly it allows one to get out of bad situations,-Like you????????????
>done poorly it can flip your vehicle or brake things.
>
>> Just wanted to correct you .
>> Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.
>
>But I like mischief. oh---your so smart.you probably do not even know the term ---(Bell-Mouthed drum).
You are just a parts changer by nature.

Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.