Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

The emergency / parking brake is also good for making speed reductions
without the rear brake lights coming on... For this, one should keep the
thumb release depressed the entire time so that you can control how much
braking action is applied without the brake lever locking... Since most of
your braking action is from the front wheels, you don't slow down all that
quickly though...

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Yes, but...

When the MC or Master Cylinder fails, the pedal has this nasty tendency
to fall to the floor.

Breaking a brake line is a different animal.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Most here have never driven a car without the fail-safe secondary
> master cylinder and proportioning valve that will shut off the axle that
> is leaking.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I guess you guys have never had a MC fail?
> >
> > I have and believe me it is an 'emergency' brake and works quite well at
> > it.
> >
> > Mike

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Yes, but...

When the MC or Master Cylinder fails, the pedal has this nasty tendency
to fall to the floor.

Breaking a brake line is a different animal.

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Most here have never driven a car without the fail-safe secondary
> master cylinder and proportioning valve that will shut off the axle that
> is leaking.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I guess you guys have never had a MC fail?
> >
> > I have and believe me it is an 'emergency' brake and works quite well at
> > it.
> >
> > Mike

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

On or about Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Grumman-581 of grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.ho...:

> The emergency / parking brake is also good for making speed reductions
> without the rear brake lights coming on... For this, one should keep the

Or for making really cool 180 degree turns in the Batmobile.



Lee "Always thought that men in shiny tights were kinda silly, really."
Ayrton

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

On or about Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Grumman-581 of grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM.ho...:

> The emergency / parking brake is also good for making speed reductions
> without the rear brake lights coming on... For this, one should keep the

Or for making really cool 180 degree turns in the Batmobile.



Lee "Always thought that men in shiny tights were kinda silly, really."
Ayrton

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

fred wrote:
>
> >As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
> >for a while.. a long while..
>
> Really.. that's the first I've herd of that.. During the winter
> months tempuratures get down to -40f with some massive
> wind chills on top of that -- I've owned standards for years
> most people I know have them and use the parking brake
> all the time.. Never ever had a problem with it on any of the
> vehicles I've owned.. Then again the brakes are usually
> serviced prior to winters arrival as are many other things
> in normal vehicle winterization..

It is not usually the -40 weather that causes trouble. It is too cold
to have any free liquid splashing around.

It is the closer to O F freezing and slushy roads that are the killer.
The slush splashes up and freezes solid over night.

I worked in garages in the slush belt and had a lot of service calls for
that as well as have seen a pile of burned out, literally, back brakes.

I have even had it happen twice to me when I lent my vehicle to someone
else and they brought it back with cooked brakes.

It happened to a TJ from here on our last Jan run. He damn near slid
off a cliff before we figured out what was going on, real lucky, he slid
off the trail on the high side first, and then was crabbing to the drop
off when we clued in. We were like 50 feet from the camp.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

fred wrote:
>
> >As pointed out before.. use them in real cold weather and you may be stuck
> >for a while.. a long while..
>
> Really.. that's the first I've herd of that.. During the winter
> months tempuratures get down to -40f with some massive
> wind chills on top of that -- I've owned standards for years
> most people I know have them and use the parking brake
> all the time.. Never ever had a problem with it on any of the
> vehicles I've owned.. Then again the brakes are usually
> serviced prior to winters arrival as are many other things
> in normal vehicle winterization..

It is not usually the -40 weather that causes trouble. It is too cold
to have any free liquid splashing around.

It is the closer to O F freezing and slushy roads that are the killer.
The slush splashes up and freezes solid over night.

I worked in garages in the slush belt and had a lot of service calls for
that as well as have seen a pile of burned out, literally, back brakes.

I have even had it happen twice to me when I lent my vehicle to someone
else and they brought it back with cooked brakes.

It happened to a TJ from here on our last Jan run. He damn near slid
off a cliff before we figured out what was going on, real lucky, he slid
off the trail on the high side first, and then was crabbing to the drop
off when we clued in. We were like 50 feet from the camp.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Get you out of a speeding ticket every time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> The emergency / parking brake is also good for making speed reductions
> without the rear brake lights coming on... For this, one should keep the
> thumb release depressed the entire time so that you can control how much
> braking action is applied without the brake lever locking... Since most of
> your braking action is from the front wheels, you don't slow down all that
> quickly though...

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Get you out of a speeding ticket every time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Grumman-581 wrote:
>
> The emergency / parking brake is also good for making speed reductions
> without the rear brake lights coming on... For this, one should keep the
> thumb release depressed the entire time so that you can control how much
> braking action is applied without the brake lever locking... Since most of
> your braking action is from the front wheels, you don't slow down all that
> quickly though...

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Approximately 8/23/03 08:20, Grumman-581 uttered for posterity:

> The emergency / parking brake is also good for making speed reductions
> without the rear brake lights coming on... For this, one should keep the
> thumb release depressed the entire time so that you can control how much
> braking action is applied without the brake lever locking... Since most of
> your braking action is from the front wheels, you don't slow down all that
> quickly though...

True, but by the time you manage, the cop usually has you on the
ticket book anyway.