Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Approximately 8/24/03 13:25, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>
> Or being frozen solid to the driveway...

You could do worse. I parked a '66 SS427, bored to 466 with
posi rear on the dirt just before a freeze. It is somewhat
humbling to discover that even with that monstrous torque
and a clutch that the brakes cannot stop even at idle is
not able to break loose from having all 4 wheels frozen no
deeper than a coupla inches in midwest mud. Had to jack
the thing up to break the freeze before it would move
1 inch.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Lon Stowell wrote:
> Approximately 8/24/03 13:25, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>>
>> Or being frozen solid to the driveway...
>
> You could do worse. I parked a '66 SS427, bored to 466 with
> posi rear on the dirt just before a freeze. It is somewhat
> humbling to discover that even with that monstrous torque
> and a clutch that the brakes cannot stop even at idle is
> not able to break loose from having all 4 wheels frozen no
> deeper than a coupla inches in midwest mud. Had to jack
> the thing up to break the freeze before it would move
> 1 inch.

Not to mention the frozen tire thumpa thumpa thumpa thumpa thumpa
for about a mile till the flat spot thaws.

--
DougW

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Lon Stowell wrote:
> Approximately 8/24/03 13:25, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>>
>> Or being frozen solid to the driveway...
>
> You could do worse. I parked a '66 SS427, bored to 466 with
> posi rear on the dirt just before a freeze. It is somewhat
> humbling to discover that even with that monstrous torque
> and a clutch that the brakes cannot stop even at idle is
> not able to break loose from having all 4 wheels frozen no
> deeper than a coupla inches in midwest mud. Had to jack
> the thing up to break the freeze before it would move
> 1 inch.

Not to mention the frozen tire thumpa thumpa thumpa thumpa thumpa
for about a mile till the flat spot thaws.

--
DougW

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Be careful. In many states, a vehicle without an emergency brake will
not pass safety inspection.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Be careful. In many states, a vehicle without an emergency brake will
not pass safety inspection.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

> No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
> will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> footwells of your TJ.
>


I don't know why you would want to do this. There are lots of
off-road situations, and occasionally on-road situations (such as
driving in San Francisco,) where you will want to be able to hold the
emergency brake on it and slowly feather off it while engaging the
clutch, so as to prevent you from rolling backward while shifting into
gear.

This is MUCH easier with a hand-operated emergency brake than with a
foot operated brake. (Think about it, you're trying to work the
clutch, gas pedal, and brake release all at the same time. That's
three pedals. And unfortunately, most people only have two feet.)

I've wished many a time that my CJ had a hand operated brake instead
of a foot pedal. Eventually I will probably get annoyed enough to
convert it, but right now I've got my stereo in a Tuffy console where
the brake lever would go. *sigh* Maybe I'll mount it on the roll
bar. <g>

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

> No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
> will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> footwells of your TJ.
>


I don't know why you would want to do this. There are lots of
off-road situations, and occasionally on-road situations (such as
driving in San Francisco,) where you will want to be able to hold the
emergency brake on it and slowly feather off it while engaging the
clutch, so as to prevent you from rolling backward while shifting into
gear.

This is MUCH easier with a hand-operated emergency brake than with a
foot operated brake. (Think about it, you're trying to work the
clutch, gas pedal, and brake release all at the same time. That's
three pedals. And unfortunately, most people only have two feet.)

I've wished many a time that my CJ had a hand operated brake instead
of a foot pedal. Eventually I will probably get annoyed enough to
convert it, but right now I've got my stereo in a Tuffy console where
the brake lever would go. *sigh* Maybe I'll mount it on the roll
bar. <g>

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0308241757.4cd09789@posting.google.c om...
> > No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
> > will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> > footwells of your TJ.
> >
>
>
> I don't know why you would want to do this. There are lots of
> off-road situations, and occasionally on-road situations (such as
> driving in San Francisco,) where you will want to be able to hold the
> emergency brake on it and slowly feather off it while engaging the
> clutch, so as to prevent you from rolling backward while shifting into
> gear.
>
> This is MUCH easier with a hand-operated emergency brake than with a
> foot operated brake. (Think about it, you're trying to work the
> clutch, gas pedal, and brake release all at the same time. That's
> three pedals. And unfortunately, most people only have two feet.)
>

Oh, pulleeze! If you need the parking brake to hold you on the hill, maybe
you ought to reconsider having a manual trans. Especially for street
driving.

The idea is not to release everything all at the same time. The idea is to
release the clutch partially until it can hold your car, then -- and ONLY
then -- transfer the foot from the brake pedal to the gas pedal, then gently
release the clutch the rest of the way while applying enought gas to get
going.

There are times on the trail where it would be nice to have use of a hand
brake to prevent rolling back, but serioulsy, on the street?



> I've wished many a time that my CJ had a hand operated brake instead
> of a foot pedal. Eventually I will probably get annoyed enough to
> convert it, but right now I've got my stereo in a Tuffy console where
> the brake lever would go. *sigh* Maybe I'll mount it on the roll
> bar. <g>

How about installing a hand throttle? Then you could use your feet to work
the pedals, and operate the gas with your hand. Mount your hand throttle to
the shifter, near the top. A gear change lever, or a brake lever, and cable
will work really good for this.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0308241757.4cd09789@posting.google.c om...
> > No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills that
> > will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> > footwells of your TJ.
> >
>
>
> I don't know why you would want to do this. There are lots of
> off-road situations, and occasionally on-road situations (such as
> driving in San Francisco,) where you will want to be able to hold the
> emergency brake on it and slowly feather off it while engaging the
> clutch, so as to prevent you from rolling backward while shifting into
> gear.
>
> This is MUCH easier with a hand-operated emergency brake than with a
> foot operated brake. (Think about it, you're trying to work the
> clutch, gas pedal, and brake release all at the same time. That's
> three pedals. And unfortunately, most people only have two feet.)
>

Oh, pulleeze! If you need the parking brake to hold you on the hill, maybe
you ought to reconsider having a manual trans. Especially for street
driving.

The idea is not to release everything all at the same time. The idea is to
release the clutch partially until it can hold your car, then -- and ONLY
then -- transfer the foot from the brake pedal to the gas pedal, then gently
release the clutch the rest of the way while applying enought gas to get
going.

There are times on the trail where it would be nice to have use of a hand
brake to prevent rolling back, but serioulsy, on the street?



> I've wished many a time that my CJ had a hand operated brake instead
> of a foot pedal. Eventually I will probably get annoyed enough to
> convert it, but right now I've got my stereo in a Tuffy console where
> the brake lever would go. *sigh* Maybe I'll mount it on the roll
> bar. <g>

How about installing a hand throttle? Then you could use your feet to work
the pedals, and operate the gas with your hand. Mount your hand throttle to
the shifter, near the top. A gear change lever, or a brake lever, and cable
will work really good for this.

Re: removing or relocating emergency brake handle
 

Thanks everyone. I think I'll just leave the lever where it is and find
somewhere else to stash my quarters.

Ed - Chicago


"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkkifgdsqf0r09@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:88f4ec61.0308241757.4cd09789@posting.google.c om...
> > > No, there is no way to move them unless you have fabrication skills
that
> > > will let you mount a foot operated parking brake in tghe very tight
> > > footwells of your TJ.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I don't know why you would want to do this. There are lots of
> > off-road situations, and occasionally on-road situations (such as
> > driving in San Francisco,) where you will want to be able to hold the
> > emergency brake on it and slowly feather off it while engaging the
> > clutch, so as to prevent you from rolling backward while shifting into
> > gear.
> >
> > This is MUCH easier with a hand-operated emergency brake than with a
> > foot operated brake. (Think about it, you're trying to work the
> > clutch, gas pedal, and brake release all at the same time. That's
> > three pedals. And unfortunately, most people only have two feet.)
> >
>
> Oh, pulleeze! If you need the parking brake to hold you on the hill, maybe
> you ought to reconsider having a manual trans. Especially for street
> driving.
>
> The idea is not to release everything all at the same time. The idea is to
> release the clutch partially until it can hold your car, then -- and ONLY
> then -- transfer the foot from the brake pedal to the gas pedal, then
gently
> release the clutch the rest of the way while applying enought gas to get
> going.
>
> There are times on the trail where it would be nice to have use of a hand
> brake to prevent rolling back, but serioulsy, on the street?
>
>
>
> > I've wished many a time that my CJ had a hand operated brake instead
> > of a foot pedal. Eventually I will probably get annoyed enough to
> > convert it, but right now I've got my stereo in a Tuffy console where
> > the brake lever would go. *sigh* Maybe I'll mount it on the roll
> > bar. <g>
>
> How about installing a hand throttle? Then you could use your feet to work
> the pedals, and operate the gas with your hand. Mount your hand throttle
to
> the shifter, near the top. A gear change lever, or a brake lever, and
cable
> will work really good for this.
>
>
>
>