"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
:
: Carl


That's what my husband says too.
He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.

KJK

 

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
:
: Carl


That's what my husband says too.
He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.

KJK

 

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
:
: Carl


That's what my husband says too.
He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.

KJK

 

The tow or ****** straps normally used off roading is 2" wide for tow
and 3" or 4" wide for a ****** strap (elastic factor). They look like
overgrown lamp wicks and are good for 20,000 to 30,000 lb or more.

They 'usually' come with loop ends already on them. Sewn loops are far
better than clamped ones.

Bill gave a link to a good diagram of looping two together here:
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg

Just for what it's worth, I have never heard of a bowline coming loose
during use. We were taught to tie one around our chests while the rope
is coming up under tension in rescue situations. If we missed the knot,
we got wet....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Seahag wrote:
>
> Rope _will_ come untied, we found out after spending a day
> dragging our 9 ton boat off a hard shoal...I don't know
> about strap tho.
>
> Seahag
>
> "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
> > bowlines don't slip, but put 8K of pulling power on them
> > and they won't come untied either.
> >
> >
> > "Seahag" <Seahag@toadymail.net> wrote in message
> > news:43a82af5_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> Two bowlines?
> >>
> >> http://www.apparent-wind.com/knots/bowline/
> >>
> >> Seahag
> >>
> >> "4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:2dJpf.13208$wg4.4127@edtnps84...
> >>> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than
> >>> with a wooden doweling and still be able to get them
> >>> apart??
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jeff '03 TJ & '95 ZJ
> >>> http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/554/gardenpic0lh.jpg
> >>> http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4696/jeepsgif3iq.gif
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

 

The tow or ****** straps normally used off roading is 2" wide for tow
and 3" or 4" wide for a ****** strap (elastic factor). They look like
overgrown lamp wicks and are good for 20,000 to 30,000 lb or more.

They 'usually' come with loop ends already on them. Sewn loops are far
better than clamped ones.

Bill gave a link to a good diagram of looping two together here:
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg

Just for what it's worth, I have never heard of a bowline coming loose
during use. We were taught to tie one around our chests while the rope
is coming up under tension in rescue situations. If we missed the knot,
we got wet....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Seahag wrote:
>
> Rope _will_ come untied, we found out after spending a day
> dragging our 9 ton boat off a hard shoal...I don't know
> about strap tho.
>
> Seahag
>
> "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
> > bowlines don't slip, but put 8K of pulling power on them
> > and they won't come untied either.
> >
> >
> > "Seahag" <Seahag@toadymail.net> wrote in message
> > news:43a82af5_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> Two bowlines?
> >>
> >> http://www.apparent-wind.com/knots/bowline/
> >>
> >> Seahag
> >>
> >> "4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:2dJpf.13208$wg4.4127@edtnps84...
> >>> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than
> >>> with a wooden doweling and still be able to get them
> >>> apart??
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jeff '03 TJ & '95 ZJ
> >>> http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/554/gardenpic0lh.jpg
> >>> http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4696/jeepsgif3iq.gif
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

 

The tow or ****** straps normally used off roading is 2" wide for tow
and 3" or 4" wide for a ****** strap (elastic factor). They look like
overgrown lamp wicks and are good for 20,000 to 30,000 lb or more.

They 'usually' come with loop ends already on them. Sewn loops are far
better than clamped ones.

Bill gave a link to a good diagram of looping two together here:
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg

Just for what it's worth, I have never heard of a bowline coming loose
during use. We were taught to tie one around our chests while the rope
is coming up under tension in rescue situations. If we missed the knot,
we got wet....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Seahag wrote:
>
> Rope _will_ come untied, we found out after spending a day
> dragging our 9 ton boat off a hard shoal...I don't know
> about strap tho.
>
> Seahag
>
> "Rusted" <no@email.com> wrote:
> > bowlines don't slip, but put 8K of pulling power on them
> > and they won't come untied either.
> >
> >
> > "Seahag" <Seahag@toadymail.net> wrote in message
> > news:43a82af5_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> >> Two bowlines?
> >>
> >> http://www.apparent-wind.com/knots/bowline/
> >>
> >> Seahag
> >>
> >> "4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:2dJpf.13208$wg4.4127@edtnps84...
> >>> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than
> >>> with a wooden doweling and still be able to get them
> >>> apart??
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Jeff '03 TJ & '95 ZJ
> >>> http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/554/gardenpic0lh.jpg
> >>> http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4696/jeepsgif3iq.gif
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

 

"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> :
> : Carl
>
> That's what my husband says too.
> He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
>
> KJK

That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.

If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
and out the back window. People get killed that way.

See:
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm

Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
likely to fail with deadly results.

See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> :
> : Carl
>
> That's what my husband says too.
> He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
>
> KJK

That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.

If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
and out the back window. People get killed that way.

See:
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm

Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
likely to fail with deadly results.

See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> :
> : Carl
>
> That's what my husband says too.
> He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
>
> KJK

That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.

If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
and out the back window. People get killed that way.

See:
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm

Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
likely to fail with deadly results.

See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

In some settings that 'may' be ok but not in an offroad setting. That
shackle would become a deadly missle in case one of the straps or
objects the straps were attached to came apart. Using a shackle between
two straps is a major no-no and you'd have everyone running for the
hills if you did that among us.

KJ.Kate wrote:
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> :
> : Carl
>
>
> That's what my husband says too.
> He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
>
> KJK
>
>

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