Metal fittings can and will become lethal projectiles in case of strap
failure.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:IQdqf.16656$aS5.14003@bignews4.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> :
> : Carl
>
>
> That's what my husband says too.
> He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
>
> KJK
>
>

 

Metal fittings can and will become lethal projectiles in case of strap
failure.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:IQdqf.16656$aS5.14003@bignews4.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> :
> : Carl
>
>
> That's what my husband says too.
> He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
>
> KJK
>
>

 

Metal fittings can and will become lethal projectiles in case of strap
failure.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:IQdqf.16656$aS5.14003@bignews4.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> :
> : Carl
>
>
> That's what my husband says too.
> He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
>
> KJK
>
>

 

Right, if one of those straps goes, they will follow the path of the straps,
and when lifting there is usually no one in the path of the straps. Not so
on the trail. Shackles have their place in off-roading but not as a primary
recovery connection point...better used when strapping a pulley to a tree,
for example.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:z6gqf.17457$aS5.9007@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> Easy there big boy....
> Don't get all shook up.
>
> I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> shoulder.
>
> Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
>
> KJK
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : >
> : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : >
> : > KJK
> :
> : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
> : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> :
> : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> :
> : See:
> : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> :
> : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : likely to fail with deadly results.
> :
> : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

 

Right, if one of those straps goes, they will follow the path of the straps,
and when lifting there is usually no one in the path of the straps. Not so
on the trail. Shackles have their place in off-roading but not as a primary
recovery connection point...better used when strapping a pulley to a tree,
for example.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:z6gqf.17457$aS5.9007@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> Easy there big boy....
> Don't get all shook up.
>
> I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> shoulder.
>
> Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
>
> KJK
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : >
> : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : >
> : > KJK
> :
> : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
> : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> :
> : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> :
> : See:
> : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> :
> : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : likely to fail with deadly results.
> :
> : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

 

Right, if one of those straps goes, they will follow the path of the straps,
and when lifting there is usually no one in the path of the straps. Not so
on the trail. Shackles have their place in off-roading but not as a primary
recovery connection point...better used when strapping a pulley to a tree,
for example.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:z6gqf.17457$aS5.9007@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> Easy there big boy....
> Don't get all shook up.
>
> I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> shoulder.
>
> Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
>
> KJK
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : >
> : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : >
> : > KJK
> :
> : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
> : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> :
> : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> :
> : See:
> : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> :
> : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : likely to fail with deadly results.
> :
> : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

 

It does have its risks but less so than a metal fitting. When using this
method I will also hang a packing blanket or coat over the dowel to help
slow it down if something gives. Similar to what you would do with a winch
cable.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:Xhhqf.16205$kP5.8661@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
> as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
> putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
> together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
> seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > :
> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
> put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

 

It does have its risks but less so than a metal fitting. When using this
method I will also hang a packing blanket or coat over the dowel to help
slow it down if something gives. Similar to what you would do with a winch
cable.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:Xhhqf.16205$kP5.8661@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
> as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
> putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
> together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
> seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > :
> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
> put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

 

It does have its risks but less so than a metal fitting. When using this
method I will also hang a packing blanket or coat over the dowel to help
slow it down if something gives. Similar to what you would do with a winch
cable.

"KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote in message
news:Xhhqf.16205$kP5.8661@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
> as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
> putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
> together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
> seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > :
> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
> put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

 

When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a solid
mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of snapping the
strap.

The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no function
other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The loops
will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a metal
pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.

If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why one
person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is unlikely to
crush.

If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the connection,
when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
sideways after the spectators....

Mike

"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
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