POLL: Transmissions - Wranglers
03-26-2006 | 07:42 PM
#261
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
Nope but I bet if you print out that picture it will be easy for them to
look it up on their parts diagram software.
"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:442730d2_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>
> Do you happen to know the part number of that spring?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4tKdneVYp5AxsLrZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I assumed it was an oversight that the spring was omitted on mine, but
>> sounds like they just don't put them on now so they can save a buck a
>> vehicle. It's harder to control off road when your foot bounces on the
>> pedal. Were those '06's autos or manuals?
>>
>> "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> news:44271697_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > Yep, mine is missing. I also looked on the dealer's lot today at 2
>> > other
>> > '06
>> > Wranglers, and they had no second spring. Maybe this is one of Jeeps
>> > "improvements" for '06??
>> >
>> > Thanks for the photo. I will be at the Jeep dealer soon ordering that
>> > spring.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> > news:aoOdnU0GE80OibrZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> Tom,
>> >>
>> >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
>> >>
>> >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
>> >>
>> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:-JydnXOmgK4xi7vZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> > Tom,
>> >> >
>> >> > There is a coil spring on the throttle body wrapped around the
>> >> > butterfly
>> >> > valve shaft, between the throttle cable lever and the throttle body.
>> > There
>> >> > should be a second retainer spring clipped to the throttle body
> lever,
>> >> > with the other end hooked onto the bracket that secures the end of
> the
>> >> > throttle cable housing. It was this second spring that was missing.
>> >> >
>> >> > Send me a good email address and I'll shoot you a pic.
>> >> >
>> >> > mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>> >> >
>> >> > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> > news:44260372_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> >> Hmmm...that's very interesting, Matt.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My '06 Rubi has a much more sensitive throttle than my '02
>> >> >> Wrangler,
>> > and
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> is harder to control when going slowly over bumps, etc. Maybe I
> should
>> >> >> also
>> >> >> check for a missing spring. Exactly what and where should I look.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I just took a look and there is a large coiled spring, but is there
> a
>> >> >> second
>> >> >> spring that might be missing. Just what spring was actually missing
> on
>> >> >> yours?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tom
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:UZKdnd8WIfrJOrjZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> The Unlimited's throttle seemed overly sensitive, coupled with the
>> >> >>> automatic, everytime it went over a bump your foot would bounce on
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >> pedal
>> >> >>> and gun the engine. One day I had had enough and went to see if I
>> > could
>> >> >>> change the spring on the throttle body, as it did take less effort
> to
>> >> >>> move
>> >> >>> the pedal compared to my TJ. I had both hoods up, and compared
>> >> >> them...turns
>> >> >>> out the Unlimited was missing it's throttle retaining spring.
> Picked
>> > one
>> >> >> up
>> >> >>> at a dealer and problem solved.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
look it up on their parts diagram software.
"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:442730d2_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>
> Do you happen to know the part number of that spring?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4tKdneVYp5AxsLrZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I assumed it was an oversight that the spring was omitted on mine, but
>> sounds like they just don't put them on now so they can save a buck a
>> vehicle. It's harder to control off road when your foot bounces on the
>> pedal. Were those '06's autos or manuals?
>>
>> "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> news:44271697_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > Yep, mine is missing. I also looked on the dealer's lot today at 2
>> > other
>> > '06
>> > Wranglers, and they had no second spring. Maybe this is one of Jeeps
>> > "improvements" for '06??
>> >
>> > Thanks for the photo. I will be at the Jeep dealer soon ordering that
>> > spring.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> > news:aoOdnU0GE80OibrZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> Tom,
>> >>
>> >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
>> >>
>> >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
>> >>
>> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:-JydnXOmgK4xi7vZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> > Tom,
>> >> >
>> >> > There is a coil spring on the throttle body wrapped around the
>> >> > butterfly
>> >> > valve shaft, between the throttle cable lever and the throttle body.
>> > There
>> >> > should be a second retainer spring clipped to the throttle body
> lever,
>> >> > with the other end hooked onto the bracket that secures the end of
> the
>> >> > throttle cable housing. It was this second spring that was missing.
>> >> >
>> >> > Send me a good email address and I'll shoot you a pic.
>> >> >
>> >> > mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>> >> >
>> >> > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> > news:44260372_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> >> Hmmm...that's very interesting, Matt.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My '06 Rubi has a much more sensitive throttle than my '02
>> >> >> Wrangler,
>> > and
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> is harder to control when going slowly over bumps, etc. Maybe I
> should
>> >> >> also
>> >> >> check for a missing spring. Exactly what and where should I look.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I just took a look and there is a large coiled spring, but is there
> a
>> >> >> second
>> >> >> spring that might be missing. Just what spring was actually missing
> on
>> >> >> yours?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tom
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:UZKdnd8WIfrJOrjZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> The Unlimited's throttle seemed overly sensitive, coupled with the
>> >> >>> automatic, everytime it went over a bump your foot would bounce on
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >> pedal
>> >> >>> and gun the engine. One day I had had enough and went to see if I
>> > could
>> >> >>> change the spring on the throttle body, as it did take less effort
> to
>> >> >>> move
>> >> >>> the pedal compared to my TJ. I had both hoods up, and compared
>> >> >> them...turns
>> >> >>> out the Unlimited was missing it's throttle retaining spring.
> Picked
>> > one
>> >> >> up
>> >> >>> at a dealer and problem solved.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
03-26-2006 | 07:42 PM
#262
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Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
Nope but I bet if you print out that picture it will be easy for them to
look it up on their parts diagram software.
"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:442730d2_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>
> Do you happen to know the part number of that spring?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4tKdneVYp5AxsLrZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I assumed it was an oversight that the spring was omitted on mine, but
>> sounds like they just don't put them on now so they can save a buck a
>> vehicle. It's harder to control off road when your foot bounces on the
>> pedal. Were those '06's autos or manuals?
>>
>> "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> news:44271697_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > Yep, mine is missing. I also looked on the dealer's lot today at 2
>> > other
>> > '06
>> > Wranglers, and they had no second spring. Maybe this is one of Jeeps
>> > "improvements" for '06??
>> >
>> > Thanks for the photo. I will be at the Jeep dealer soon ordering that
>> > spring.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> > news:aoOdnU0GE80OibrZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> Tom,
>> >>
>> >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
>> >>
>> >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
>> >>
>> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:-JydnXOmgK4xi7vZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> > Tom,
>> >> >
>> >> > There is a coil spring on the throttle body wrapped around the
>> >> > butterfly
>> >> > valve shaft, between the throttle cable lever and the throttle body.
>> > There
>> >> > should be a second retainer spring clipped to the throttle body
> lever,
>> >> > with the other end hooked onto the bracket that secures the end of
> the
>> >> > throttle cable housing. It was this second spring that was missing.
>> >> >
>> >> > Send me a good email address and I'll shoot you a pic.
>> >> >
>> >> > mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>> >> >
>> >> > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> > news:44260372_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> >> Hmmm...that's very interesting, Matt.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My '06 Rubi has a much more sensitive throttle than my '02
>> >> >> Wrangler,
>> > and
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> is harder to control when going slowly over bumps, etc. Maybe I
> should
>> >> >> also
>> >> >> check for a missing spring. Exactly what and where should I look.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I just took a look and there is a large coiled spring, but is there
> a
>> >> >> second
>> >> >> spring that might be missing. Just what spring was actually missing
> on
>> >> >> yours?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tom
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:UZKdnd8WIfrJOrjZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> The Unlimited's throttle seemed overly sensitive, coupled with the
>> >> >>> automatic, everytime it went over a bump your foot would bounce on
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >> pedal
>> >> >>> and gun the engine. One day I had had enough and went to see if I
>> > could
>> >> >>> change the spring on the throttle body, as it did take less effort
> to
>> >> >>> move
>> >> >>> the pedal compared to my TJ. I had both hoods up, and compared
>> >> >> them...turns
>> >> >>> out the Unlimited was missing it's throttle retaining spring.
> Picked
>> > one
>> >> >> up
>> >> >>> at a dealer and problem solved.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
look it up on their parts diagram software.
"mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:442730d2_2@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>
> Do you happen to know the part number of that spring?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:4tKdneVYp5AxsLrZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I assumed it was an oversight that the spring was omitted on mine, but
>> sounds like they just don't put them on now so they can save a buck a
>> vehicle. It's harder to control off road when your foot bounces on the
>> pedal. Were those '06's autos or manuals?
>>
>> "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> news:44271697_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> > Yep, mine is missing. I also looked on the dealer's lot today at 2
>> > other
>> > '06
>> > Wranglers, and they had no second spring. Maybe this is one of Jeeps
>> > "improvements" for '06??
>> >
>> > Thanks for the photo. I will be at the Jeep dealer soon ordering that
>> > spring.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> > news:aoOdnU0GE80OibrZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> Tom,
>> >>
>> >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
>> >>
>> >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
>> >>
>> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:-JydnXOmgK4xi7vZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> > Tom,
>> >> >
>> >> > There is a coil spring on the throttle body wrapped around the
>> >> > butterfly
>> >> > valve shaft, between the throttle cable lever and the throttle body.
>> > There
>> >> > should be a second retainer spring clipped to the throttle body
> lever,
>> >> > with the other end hooked onto the bracket that secures the end of
> the
>> >> > throttle cable housing. It was this second spring that was missing.
>> >> >
>> >> > Send me a good email address and I'll shoot you a pic.
>> >> >
>> >> > mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>> >> >
>> >> > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> >> > news:44260372_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
>> >> >> Hmmm...that's very interesting, Matt.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My '06 Rubi has a much more sensitive throttle than my '02
>> >> >> Wrangler,
>> > and
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> is harder to control when going slowly over bumps, etc. Maybe I
> should
>> >> >> also
>> >> >> check for a missing spring. Exactly what and where should I look.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I just took a look and there is a large coiled spring, but is there
> a
>> >> >> second
>> >> >> spring that might be missing. Just what spring was actually missing
> on
>> >> >> yours?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tom
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:UZKdnd8WIfrJOrjZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> The Unlimited's throttle seemed overly sensitive, coupled with the
>> >> >>> automatic, everytime it went over a bump your foot would bounce on
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >> pedal
>> >> >>> and gun the engine. One day I had had enough and went to see if I
>> > could
>> >> >>> change the spring on the throttle body, as it did take less effort
> to
>> >> >>> move
>> >> >>> the pedal compared to my TJ. I had both hoods up, and compared
>> >> >> them...turns
>> >> >>> out the Unlimited was missing it's throttle retaining spring.
> Picked
>> > one
>> >> >> up
>> >> >>> at a dealer and problem solved.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
03-26-2006 | 07:50 PM
#263
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Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
LMAO!
You were just checking to see if we were paying attention, weren't you!
Thanks, now I know what you were talking about.
You need to tell whoever owns that jeep that he should fix that
LOL
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44272837.D0045949@***.net...
: Hi Katie,
: LOL That's because it isn't there! I think I just assumed it would
: be there. Here what one would look like:
:
http://www.partsformodelafords.com/s...8&CFTOKEN=9140
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Ya know what I want? A dead pedal.
: > hubs says he will put one in for me right away.
: >
: > I miss that left foot brace.
: >
: > I'm having trouble seeing what you are referring to in the photo , could
you
: > 'splain it to me?
: >
: > Thanks.
: >
: > Kate
: >
: > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
: > news:44261CB8.D6329239@***.net...
: > : Hi Kate,
: > : Nope, mine is just a bolt that sticks up, and I didn't thing it
: > : looked good, but sure works for bouncing over rocks, keeping a steady,
: > : just above idle, roll. I've got the stock one around some place,
though.
: > : God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: > : mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > :
: > : Kate wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Is this your Jeep Bill?
You were just checking to see if we were paying attention, weren't you!
Thanks, now I know what you were talking about.
You need to tell whoever owns that jeep that he should fix that
LOL
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44272837.D0045949@***.net...
: Hi Katie,
: LOL That's because it isn't there! I think I just assumed it would
: be there. Here what one would look like:
:
http://www.partsformodelafords.com/s...8&CFTOKEN=9140
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Ya know what I want? A dead pedal.
: > hubs says he will put one in for me right away.
: >
: > I miss that left foot brace.
: >
: > I'm having trouble seeing what you are referring to in the photo , could
you
: > 'splain it to me?
: >
: > Thanks.
: >
: > Kate
: >
: > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
: > news:44261CB8.D6329239@***.net...
: > : Hi Kate,
: > : Nope, mine is just a bolt that sticks up, and I didn't thing it
: > : looked good, but sure works for bouncing over rocks, keeping a steady,
: > : just above idle, roll. I've got the stock one around some place,
though.
: > : God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: > : mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > :
: > : Kate wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Is this your Jeep Bill?
03-26-2006 | 07:50 PM
#264
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
LMAO!
You were just checking to see if we were paying attention, weren't you!
Thanks, now I know what you were talking about.
You need to tell whoever owns that jeep that he should fix that
LOL
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44272837.D0045949@***.net...
: Hi Katie,
: LOL That's because it isn't there! I think I just assumed it would
: be there. Here what one would look like:
:
http://www.partsformodelafords.com/s...8&CFTOKEN=9140
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Ya know what I want? A dead pedal.
: > hubs says he will put one in for me right away.
: >
: > I miss that left foot brace.
: >
: > I'm having trouble seeing what you are referring to in the photo , could
you
: > 'splain it to me?
: >
: > Thanks.
: >
: > Kate
: >
: > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
: > news:44261CB8.D6329239@***.net...
: > : Hi Kate,
: > : Nope, mine is just a bolt that sticks up, and I didn't thing it
: > : looked good, but sure works for bouncing over rocks, keeping a steady,
: > : just above idle, roll. I've got the stock one around some place,
though.
: > : God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: > : mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > :
: > : Kate wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Is this your Jeep Bill?
You were just checking to see if we were paying attention, weren't you!
Thanks, now I know what you were talking about.
You need to tell whoever owns that jeep that he should fix that
LOL
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44272837.D0045949@***.net...
: Hi Katie,
: LOL That's because it isn't there! I think I just assumed it would
: be there. Here what one would look like:
:
http://www.partsformodelafords.com/s...8&CFTOKEN=9140
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Ya know what I want? A dead pedal.
: > hubs says he will put one in for me right away.
: >
: > I miss that left foot brace.
: >
: > I'm having trouble seeing what you are referring to in the photo , could
you
: > 'splain it to me?
: >
: > Thanks.
: >
: > Kate
: >
: > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
: > news:44261CB8.D6329239@***.net...
: > : Hi Kate,
: > : Nope, mine is just a bolt that sticks up, and I didn't thing it
: > : looked good, but sure works for bouncing over rocks, keeping a steady,
: > : just above idle, roll. I've got the stock one around some place,
though.
: > : God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: > : mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > :
: > : Kate wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Is this your Jeep Bill?
03-26-2006 | 07:50 PM
#265
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
LMAO!
You were just checking to see if we were paying attention, weren't you!
Thanks, now I know what you were talking about.
You need to tell whoever owns that jeep that he should fix that
LOL
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44272837.D0045949@***.net...
: Hi Katie,
: LOL That's because it isn't there! I think I just assumed it would
: be there. Here what one would look like:
:
http://www.partsformodelafords.com/s...8&CFTOKEN=9140
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Ya know what I want? A dead pedal.
: > hubs says he will put one in for me right away.
: >
: > I miss that left foot brace.
: >
: > I'm having trouble seeing what you are referring to in the photo , could
you
: > 'splain it to me?
: >
: > Thanks.
: >
: > Kate
: >
: > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
: > news:44261CB8.D6329239@***.net...
: > : Hi Kate,
: > : Nope, mine is just a bolt that sticks up, and I didn't thing it
: > : looked good, but sure works for bouncing over rocks, keeping a steady,
: > : just above idle, roll. I've got the stock one around some place,
though.
: > : God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: > : mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > :
: > : Kate wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Is this your Jeep Bill?
You were just checking to see if we were paying attention, weren't you!
Thanks, now I know what you were talking about.
You need to tell whoever owns that jeep that he should fix that
LOL
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44272837.D0045949@***.net...
: Hi Katie,
: LOL That's because it isn't there! I think I just assumed it would
: be there. Here what one would look like:
:
http://www.partsformodelafords.com/s...8&CFTOKEN=9140
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Ya know what I want? A dead pedal.
: > hubs says he will put one in for me right away.
: >
: > I miss that left foot brace.
: >
: > I'm having trouble seeing what you are referring to in the photo , could
you
: > 'splain it to me?
: >
: > Thanks.
: >
: > Kate
: >
: > "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
: > news:44261CB8.D6329239@***.net...
: > : Hi Kate,
: > : Nope, mine is just a bolt that sticks up, and I didn't thing it
: > : looked good, but sure works for bouncing over rocks, keeping a steady,
: > : just above idle, roll. I've got the stock one around some place,
though.
: > : God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: > : mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > :
: > : Kate wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Is this your Jeep Bill?
03-26-2006 | 07:52 PM
#266
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
For a measley five bucks, why not get it at the dealership?
That's what I would do.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:AK6dnbDeqo0lsbrZRVn-ug@comcast.com...
: That could be. My '00 manual had the spring, but the '04 TJL did not. I
: assume the 3-speed (999) tranny did have the kickdown cable, but when they
: introduced the 4-speed electronic overdrive auto, there was no need for it
: since it probably uses the TPS signal for kickdown. The kickdown cable
: probably dampened the sproingyness of the throttle body spring.
:
: Anyway, I have heard from others that the throttle is bouncy with the
auto.
: This will fix that problem. If you get a spring at the hardware store,
make
: sure it's the same rate.
:
: "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
: news:bGEVf.4605$FD4.1722@dukeread07...
: > Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >
: > Interesting. That tab and mounting plate is used with the auto
: > tranny kickdown cable. Must be the throttle body needs a bit more
: > sproing for standard transmissions.
: >
: > That part you can get at a hardware store, probably just have to bend a
: > hook in the end. Or maby a few rubberbands. :)
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: >
:
:
That's what I would do.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:AK6dnbDeqo0lsbrZRVn-ug@comcast.com...
: That could be. My '00 manual had the spring, but the '04 TJL did not. I
: assume the 3-speed (999) tranny did have the kickdown cable, but when they
: introduced the 4-speed electronic overdrive auto, there was no need for it
: since it probably uses the TPS signal for kickdown. The kickdown cable
: probably dampened the sproingyness of the throttle body spring.
:
: Anyway, I have heard from others that the throttle is bouncy with the
auto.
: This will fix that problem. If you get a spring at the hardware store,
make
: sure it's the same rate.
:
: "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
: news:bGEVf.4605$FD4.1722@dukeread07...
: > Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >
: > Interesting. That tab and mounting plate is used with the auto
: > tranny kickdown cable. Must be the throttle body needs a bit more
: > sproing for standard transmissions.
: >
: > That part you can get at a hardware store, probably just have to bend a
: > hook in the end. Or maby a few rubberbands. :)
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: >
:
:
03-26-2006 | 07:52 PM
#267
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
For a measley five bucks, why not get it at the dealership?
That's what I would do.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:AK6dnbDeqo0lsbrZRVn-ug@comcast.com...
: That could be. My '00 manual had the spring, but the '04 TJL did not. I
: assume the 3-speed (999) tranny did have the kickdown cable, but when they
: introduced the 4-speed electronic overdrive auto, there was no need for it
: since it probably uses the TPS signal for kickdown. The kickdown cable
: probably dampened the sproingyness of the throttle body spring.
:
: Anyway, I have heard from others that the throttle is bouncy with the
auto.
: This will fix that problem. If you get a spring at the hardware store,
make
: sure it's the same rate.
:
: "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
: news:bGEVf.4605$FD4.1722@dukeread07...
: > Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >
: > Interesting. That tab and mounting plate is used with the auto
: > tranny kickdown cable. Must be the throttle body needs a bit more
: > sproing for standard transmissions.
: >
: > That part you can get at a hardware store, probably just have to bend a
: > hook in the end. Or maby a few rubberbands. :)
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: >
:
:
That's what I would do.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:AK6dnbDeqo0lsbrZRVn-ug@comcast.com...
: That could be. My '00 manual had the spring, but the '04 TJL did not. I
: assume the 3-speed (999) tranny did have the kickdown cable, but when they
: introduced the 4-speed electronic overdrive auto, there was no need for it
: since it probably uses the TPS signal for kickdown. The kickdown cable
: probably dampened the sproingyness of the throttle body spring.
:
: Anyway, I have heard from others that the throttle is bouncy with the
auto.
: This will fix that problem. If you get a spring at the hardware store,
make
: sure it's the same rate.
:
: "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
: news:bGEVf.4605$FD4.1722@dukeread07...
: > Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >
: > Interesting. That tab and mounting plate is used with the auto
: > tranny kickdown cable. Must be the throttle body needs a bit more
: > sproing for standard transmissions.
: >
: > That part you can get at a hardware store, probably just have to bend a
: > hook in the end. Or maby a few rubberbands. :)
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: >
:
:
03-26-2006 | 07:52 PM
#268
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Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
For a measley five bucks, why not get it at the dealership?
That's what I would do.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:AK6dnbDeqo0lsbrZRVn-ug@comcast.com...
: That could be. My '00 manual had the spring, but the '04 TJL did not. I
: assume the 3-speed (999) tranny did have the kickdown cable, but when they
: introduced the 4-speed electronic overdrive auto, there was no need for it
: since it probably uses the TPS signal for kickdown. The kickdown cable
: probably dampened the sproingyness of the throttle body spring.
:
: Anyway, I have heard from others that the throttle is bouncy with the
auto.
: This will fix that problem. If you get a spring at the hardware store,
make
: sure it's the same rate.
:
: "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
: news:bGEVf.4605$FD4.1722@dukeread07...
: > Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >
: > Interesting. That tab and mounting plate is used with the auto
: > tranny kickdown cable. Must be the throttle body needs a bit more
: > sproing for standard transmissions.
: >
: > That part you can get at a hardware store, probably just have to bend a
: > hook in the end. Or maby a few rubberbands. :)
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: >
:
:
That's what I would do.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:AK6dnbDeqo0lsbrZRVn-ug@comcast.com...
: That could be. My '00 manual had the spring, but the '04 TJL did not. I
: assume the 3-speed (999) tranny did have the kickdown cable, but when they
: introduced the 4-speed electronic overdrive auto, there was no need for it
: since it probably uses the TPS signal for kickdown. The kickdown cable
: probably dampened the sproingyness of the throttle body spring.
:
: Anyway, I have heard from others that the throttle is bouncy with the
auto.
: This will fix that problem. If you get a spring at the hardware store,
make
: sure it's the same rate.
:
: "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
: news:bGEVf.4605$FD4.1722@dukeread07...
: > Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >
: > Interesting. That tab and mounting plate is used with the auto
: > tranny kickdown cable. Must be the throttle body needs a bit more
: > sproing for standard transmissions.
: >
: > That part you can get at a hardware store, probably just have to bend a
: > hook in the end. Or maby a few rubberbands. :)
: >
: > --
: > DougW
: >
:
:
03-26-2006 | 07:52 PM
#269
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Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
The 06 I am looking at is an auto.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4tKdneVYp5AxsLrZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
:I assumed it was an oversight that the spring was omitted on mine, but
: sounds like they just don't put them on now so they can save a buck a
: vehicle. It's harder to control off road when your foot bounces on the
: pedal. Were those '06's autos or manuals?
:
: "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
: news:44271697_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
: > Yep, mine is missing. I also looked on the dealer's lot today at 2 other
: > '06
: > Wranglers, and they had no second spring. Maybe this is one of Jeeps
: > "improvements" for '06??
: >
: > Thanks for the photo. I will be at the Jeep dealer soon ordering that
: > spring.
: >
: > Tom
: >
: > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: > news:aoOdnU0GE80OibrZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >>
: >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: >> news:-JydnXOmgK4xi7vZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
: >> > Tom,
: >> >
: >> > There is a coil spring on the throttle body wrapped around the
: >> > butterfly
: >> > valve shaft, between the throttle cable lever and the throttle body.
: > There
: >> > should be a second retainer spring clipped to the throttle body
lever,
: >> > with the other end hooked onto the bracket that secures the end of
the
: >> > throttle cable housing. It was this second spring that was missing.
: >> >
: >> > Send me a good email address and I'll shoot you a pic.
: >> >
: >> > mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
: >> >
: >> > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
: >> > news:44260372_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
: >> >> Hmmm...that's very interesting, Matt.
: >> >>
: >> >> My '06 Rubi has a much more sensitive throttle than my '02 Wrangler,
: > and
: >> >> it
: >> >> is harder to control when going slowly over bumps, etc. Maybe I
should
: >> >> also
: >> >> check for a missing spring. Exactly what and where should I look.
: >> >>
: >> >> I just took a look and there is a large coiled spring, but is there
a
: >> >> second
: >> >> spring that might be missing. Just what spring was actually missing
on
: >> >> yours?
: >> >>
: >> >> Tom
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: >> >> news:UZKdnd8WIfrJOrjZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: >> >>
: >> >>> The Unlimited's throttle seemed overly sensitive, coupled with the
: >> >>> automatic, everytime it went over a bump your foot would bounce on
: >> >>> the
: >> >> pedal
: >> >>> and gun the engine. One day I had had enough and went to see if I
: > could
: >> >>> change the spring on the throttle body, as it did take less effort
to
: >> >>> move
: >> >>> the pedal compared to my TJ. I had both hoods up, and compared
: >> >> them...turns
: >> >>> out the Unlimited was missing it's throttle retaining spring.
Picked
: > one
: >> >> up
: >> >>> at a dealer and problem solved.
: >> >>>
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> >
: >>
: >>
: >
: >
:
:
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4tKdneVYp5AxsLrZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
:I assumed it was an oversight that the spring was omitted on mine, but
: sounds like they just don't put them on now so they can save a buck a
: vehicle. It's harder to control off road when your foot bounces on the
: pedal. Were those '06's autos or manuals?
:
: "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
: news:44271697_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
: > Yep, mine is missing. I also looked on the dealer's lot today at 2 other
: > '06
: > Wranglers, and they had no second spring. Maybe this is one of Jeeps
: > "improvements" for '06??
: >
: > Thanks for the photo. I will be at the Jeep dealer soon ordering that
: > spring.
: >
: > Tom
: >
: > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: > news:aoOdnU0GE80OibrZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >>
: >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: >> news:-JydnXOmgK4xi7vZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
: >> > Tom,
: >> >
: >> > There is a coil spring on the throttle body wrapped around the
: >> > butterfly
: >> > valve shaft, between the throttle cable lever and the throttle body.
: > There
: >> > should be a second retainer spring clipped to the throttle body
lever,
: >> > with the other end hooked onto the bracket that secures the end of
the
: >> > throttle cable housing. It was this second spring that was missing.
: >> >
: >> > Send me a good email address and I'll shoot you a pic.
: >> >
: >> > mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
: >> >
: >> > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
: >> > news:44260372_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
: >> >> Hmmm...that's very interesting, Matt.
: >> >>
: >> >> My '06 Rubi has a much more sensitive throttle than my '02 Wrangler,
: > and
: >> >> it
: >> >> is harder to control when going slowly over bumps, etc. Maybe I
should
: >> >> also
: >> >> check for a missing spring. Exactly what and where should I look.
: >> >>
: >> >> I just took a look and there is a large coiled spring, but is there
a
: >> >> second
: >> >> spring that might be missing. Just what spring was actually missing
on
: >> >> yours?
: >> >>
: >> >> Tom
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: >> >> news:UZKdnd8WIfrJOrjZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: >> >>
: >> >>> The Unlimited's throttle seemed overly sensitive, coupled with the
: >> >>> automatic, everytime it went over a bump your foot would bounce on
: >> >>> the
: >> >> pedal
: >> >>> and gun the engine. One day I had had enough and went to see if I
: > could
: >> >>> change the spring on the throttle body, as it did take less effort
to
: >> >>> move
: >> >>> the pedal compared to my TJ. I had both hoods up, and compared
: >> >> them...turns
: >> >>> out the Unlimited was missing it's throttle retaining spring.
Picked
: > one
: >> >> up
: >> >>> at a dealer and problem solved.
: >> >>>
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> >
: >>
: >>
: >
: >
:
:
03-26-2006 | 07:52 PM
#270
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Posts: n/a
Re: Transmissions - Wranglers
The 06 I am looking at is an auto.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4tKdneVYp5AxsLrZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
:I assumed it was an oversight that the spring was omitted on mine, but
: sounds like they just don't put them on now so they can save a buck a
: vehicle. It's harder to control off road when your foot bounces on the
: pedal. Were those '06's autos or manuals?
:
: "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
: news:44271697_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
: > Yep, mine is missing. I also looked on the dealer's lot today at 2 other
: > '06
: > Wranglers, and they had no second spring. Maybe this is one of Jeeps
: > "improvements" for '06??
: >
: > Thanks for the photo. I will be at the Jeep dealer soon ordering that
: > spring.
: >
: > Tom
: >
: > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: > news:aoOdnU0GE80OibrZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >>
: >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: >> news:-JydnXOmgK4xi7vZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
: >> > Tom,
: >> >
: >> > There is a coil spring on the throttle body wrapped around the
: >> > butterfly
: >> > valve shaft, between the throttle cable lever and the throttle body.
: > There
: >> > should be a second retainer spring clipped to the throttle body
lever,
: >> > with the other end hooked onto the bracket that secures the end of
the
: >> > throttle cable housing. It was this second spring that was missing.
: >> >
: >> > Send me a good email address and I'll shoot you a pic.
: >> >
: >> > mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
: >> >
: >> > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
: >> > news:44260372_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
: >> >> Hmmm...that's very interesting, Matt.
: >> >>
: >> >> My '06 Rubi has a much more sensitive throttle than my '02 Wrangler,
: > and
: >> >> it
: >> >> is harder to control when going slowly over bumps, etc. Maybe I
should
: >> >> also
: >> >> check for a missing spring. Exactly what and where should I look.
: >> >>
: >> >> I just took a look and there is a large coiled spring, but is there
a
: >> >> second
: >> >> spring that might be missing. Just what spring was actually missing
on
: >> >> yours?
: >> >>
: >> >> Tom
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: >> >> news:UZKdnd8WIfrJOrjZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: >> >>
: >> >>> The Unlimited's throttle seemed overly sensitive, coupled with the
: >> >>> automatic, everytime it went over a bump your foot would bounce on
: >> >>> the
: >> >> pedal
: >> >>> and gun the engine. One day I had had enough and went to see if I
: > could
: >> >>> change the spring on the throttle body, as it did take less effort
to
: >> >>> move
: >> >>> the pedal compared to my TJ. I had both hoods up, and compared
: >> >> them...turns
: >> >>> out the Unlimited was missing it's throttle retaining spring.
Picked
: > one
: >> >> up
: >> >>> at a dealer and problem solved.
: >> >>>
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> >
: >>
: >>
: >
: >
:
:
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:4tKdneVYp5AxsLrZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
:I assumed it was an oversight that the spring was omitted on mine, but
: sounds like they just don't put them on now so they can save a buck a
: vehicle. It's harder to control off road when your foot bounces on the
: pedal. Were those '06's autos or manuals?
:
: "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
: news:44271697_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
: > Yep, mine is missing. I also looked on the dealer's lot today at 2 other
: > '06
: > Wranglers, and they had no second spring. Maybe this is one of Jeeps
: > "improvements" for '06??
: >
: > Thanks for the photo. I will be at the Jeep dealer soon ordering that
: > spring.
: >
: > Tom
: >
: > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: > news:aoOdnU0GE80OibrZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: >> Tom,
: >>
: >> Here's a pic of the spring that was missing on the TJL...
: >>
: >> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/matt_photos/spring.jpg
: >>
: >> Sorry don't have the part # but it was about 5 bucks at the dealer.
: >>
: >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: >> news:-JydnXOmgK4xi7vZnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
: >> > Tom,
: >> >
: >> > There is a coil spring on the throttle body wrapped around the
: >> > butterfly
: >> > valve shaft, between the throttle cable lever and the throttle body.
: > There
: >> > should be a second retainer spring clipped to the throttle body
lever,
: >> > with the other end hooked onto the bracket that secures the end of
the
: >> > throttle cable housing. It was this second spring that was missing.
: >> >
: >> > Send me a good email address and I'll shoot you a pic.
: >> >
: >> > mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
: >> >
: >> > "mabar" <xyzz4569@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
: >> > news:44260372_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...
: >> >> Hmmm...that's very interesting, Matt.
: >> >>
: >> >> My '06 Rubi has a much more sensitive throttle than my '02 Wrangler,
: > and
: >> >> it
: >> >> is harder to control when going slowly over bumps, etc. Maybe I
should
: >> >> also
: >> >> check for a missing spring. Exactly what and where should I look.
: >> >>
: >> >> I just took a look and there is a large coiled spring, but is there
a
: >> >> second
: >> >> spring that might be missing. Just what spring was actually missing
on
: >> >> yours?
: >> >>
: >> >> Tom
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
: >> >> news:UZKdnd8WIfrJOrjZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
: >> >>
: >> >>> The Unlimited's throttle seemed overly sensitive, coupled with the
: >> >>> automatic, everytime it went over a bump your foot would bounce on
: >> >>> the
: >> >> pedal
: >> >>> and gun the engine. One day I had had enough and went to see if I
: > could
: >> >>> change the spring on the throttle body, as it did take less effort
to
: >> >>> move
: >> >>> the pedal compared to my TJ. I had both hoods up, and compared
: >> >> them...turns
: >> >>> out the Unlimited was missing it's throttle retaining spring.
Picked
: > one
: >> >> up
: >> >>> at a dealer and problem solved.
: >> >>>
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> >
: >>
: >>
: >
: >
:
: