He was told that a plane hit the trade towers... at that point it was
not known to be a --------- attack. Typical liberal crap twisting the
facts.

"There are a multitude of actions he could have taken way(sic) without
contributing to it."
Yeah, like sitting tight until a he could leave gracefully. Hell, John
Kerry said he was numb for HOURS.

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Sit still and do nothing for five to seven minutes after someone comes up
> and tells you your house is on fire.
>
> The attacks themselves caused mass panic. There are a multitude of actions
> he could have taken way without contributing to it.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4129569F.F67F954D@***.net...
>
>> What would you have done during that five to seven minutes, run out
>>of the class room causing mass panic? What could have been done? If you
>>had been in charge do you think you may have stopped the second plane,
>>or the next plane into the Pentagon? The plane the heroes brought down
>>in Pennsylvania? Hell no, you would have come home and delivered a
>>speech saying "we will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not
>>fail .."
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Nah, it doesn't place blame squarely on his shoulders, any more than it
>
> was
>
>>>Clinton's or Bush Sr's or Reagan's fault. It actually goes into a very
>>>detailed account the attacks themselves, the government's immediate
>>>response, the history behind UBL, Al Qaida, and the hijacker. That's
>
> about
>
>>>as far as I am now.
>>>
>>>It does say that when the second WTC tower was hit, GWB waited 5-7
>
> minutes
>
>>>before taking any action at all. He told the commission that he "felt he
>>>should project strength and calm until he could better understand what
>
> was
>
>>>happening."
>>>
>>>Read into that what you will.
>>>
>>>By the way, that's on page 38 of the report, last full paragraph.
>>>
>>><hillbilly music>I'm a bleeding heart liberal, because Bill ------ said
>>>so</hillbilly music>
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:41294A10.B5479C00@***.net...
>>>
>>>> Where does it place the blame on president Bush, as you bleeding
>>>>heart liberals have been insinuating.
>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bill, I'm currently reading the 9/11 commission report, what would
>
> you
>
>>>like
>>>
>>>>>to know?
>
>
>

 

He was told that a plane hit the trade towers... at that point it was
not known to be a --------- attack. Typical liberal crap twisting the
facts.

"There are a multitude of actions he could have taken way(sic) without
contributing to it."
Yeah, like sitting tight until a he could leave gracefully. Hell, John
Kerry said he was numb for HOURS.

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Sit still and do nothing for five to seven minutes after someone comes up
> and tells you your house is on fire.
>
> The attacks themselves caused mass panic. There are a multitude of actions
> he could have taken way without contributing to it.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4129569F.F67F954D@***.net...
>
>> What would you have done during that five to seven minutes, run out
>>of the class room causing mass panic? What could have been done? If you
>>had been in charge do you think you may have stopped the second plane,
>>or the next plane into the Pentagon? The plane the heroes brought down
>>in Pennsylvania? Hell no, you would have come home and delivered a
>>speech saying "we will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not
>>fail .."
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Nah, it doesn't place blame squarely on his shoulders, any more than it
>
> was
>
>>>Clinton's or Bush Sr's or Reagan's fault. It actually goes into a very
>>>detailed account the attacks themselves, the government's immediate
>>>response, the history behind UBL, Al Qaida, and the hijacker. That's
>
> about
>
>>>as far as I am now.
>>>
>>>It does say that when the second WTC tower was hit, GWB waited 5-7
>
> minutes
>
>>>before taking any action at all. He told the commission that he "felt he
>>>should project strength and calm until he could better understand what
>
> was
>
>>>happening."
>>>
>>>Read into that what you will.
>>>
>>>By the way, that's on page 38 of the report, last full paragraph.
>>>
>>><hillbilly music>I'm a bleeding heart liberal, because Bill ------ said
>>>so</hillbilly music>
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:41294A10.B5479C00@***.net...
>>>
>>>> Where does it place the blame on president Bush, as you bleeding
>>>>heart liberals have been insinuating.
>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bill, I'm currently reading the 9/11 commission report, what would
>
> you
>
>>>like
>>>
>>>>>to know?
>
>
>

 

He was told that a plane hit the trade towers... at that point it was
not known to be a --------- attack. Typical liberal crap twisting the
facts.

"There are a multitude of actions he could have taken way(sic) without
contributing to it."
Yeah, like sitting tight until a he could leave gracefully. Hell, John
Kerry said he was numb for HOURS.

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Sit still and do nothing for five to seven minutes after someone comes up
> and tells you your house is on fire.
>
> The attacks themselves caused mass panic. There are a multitude of actions
> he could have taken way without contributing to it.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4129569F.F67F954D@***.net...
>
>> What would you have done during that five to seven minutes, run out
>>of the class room causing mass panic? What could have been done? If you
>>had been in charge do you think you may have stopped the second plane,
>>or the next plane into the Pentagon? The plane the heroes brought down
>>in Pennsylvania? Hell no, you would have come home and delivered a
>>speech saying "we will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not
>>fail .."
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Nah, it doesn't place blame squarely on his shoulders, any more than it
>
> was
>
>>>Clinton's or Bush Sr's or Reagan's fault. It actually goes into a very
>>>detailed account the attacks themselves, the government's immediate
>>>response, the history behind UBL, Al Qaida, and the hijacker. That's
>
> about
>
>>>as far as I am now.
>>>
>>>It does say that when the second WTC tower was hit, GWB waited 5-7
>
> minutes
>
>>>before taking any action at all. He told the commission that he "felt he
>>>should project strength and calm until he could better understand what
>
> was
>
>>>happening."
>>>
>>>Read into that what you will.
>>>
>>>By the way, that's on page 38 of the report, last full paragraph.
>>>
>>><hillbilly music>I'm a bleeding heart liberal, because Bill ------ said
>>>so</hillbilly music>
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:41294A10.B5479C00@***.net...
>>>
>>>> Where does it place the blame on president Bush, as you bleeding
>>>>heart liberals have been insinuating.
>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bill, I'm currently reading the 9/11 commission report, what would
>
> you
>
>>>like
>>>
>>>>>to know?
>
>
>

 

Thank God! But your buddies think that way.
I'm one of those that believes GW didn't know about the torture of
the prisoners of war, and of course small sh*t like who's telling on
whom. At any rate you said it's being handle by the courts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> We're talking about the CIA leak here, not the hijacking...the special
> prosecutor is not investigating the hijacking. Did he know about the leak,
> when it happened? Seems to me, being the President, seeing that he is the
> boss of whoever made the leak, he could find out who it was if he really
> wanted to.

 

Thank God! But your buddies think that way.
I'm one of those that believes GW didn't know about the torture of
the prisoners of war, and of course small sh*t like who's telling on
whom. At any rate you said it's being handle by the courts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> We're talking about the CIA leak here, not the hijacking...the special
> prosecutor is not investigating the hijacking. Did he know about the leak,
> when it happened? Seems to me, being the President, seeing that he is the
> boss of whoever made the leak, he could find out who it was if he really
> wanted to.

 

Thank God! But your buddies think that way.
I'm one of those that believes GW didn't know about the torture of
the prisoners of war, and of course small sh*t like who's telling on
whom. At any rate you said it's being handle by the courts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> We're talking about the CIA leak here, not the hijacking...the special
> prosecutor is not investigating the hijacking. Did he know about the leak,
> when it happened? Seems to me, being the President, seeing that he is the
> boss of whoever made the leak, he could find out who it was if he really
> wanted to.

 

Thank God! But your buddies think that way.
I'm one of those that believes GW didn't know about the torture of
the prisoners of war, and of course small sh*t like who's telling on
whom. At any rate you said it's being handle by the courts.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> We're talking about the CIA leak here, not the hijacking...the special
> prosecutor is not investigating the hijacking. Did he know about the leak,
> when it happened? Seems to me, being the President, seeing that he is the
> boss of whoever made the leak, he could find out who it was if he really
> wanted to.

 

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:06:06 -0400, Jeff <nothing@here.com> wrote:

>In article <412819C5.F8633AB4@***.net>,
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>> Geez, like me he had so many physicals.
>> Several of my friends while we were in the ARMY when to school full
>> time. They just called it TDY.
>> I think you know all his payroll records are accounted for.
>> Maybe if you would enlisted, it may educate you, along with making
>> you a man, girlie boy.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Jeff wrote:
>> >
>> > Bill:
>> >
>> > You really are a true believer, aren't you? Maybe all Bush needed was a
>> > trip to the doctor. However, he never made that trip. Its really hard to
>> > believe that you support Bush so strongly, yet know so little about him.
>> > In reality, he represents everything you hate. In his own words, he
>> > went into the guard to avoid Vietnam ("I was not prepared to shoot my
>> > eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
>> > willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to
>> > fly airplanes." -- GWB, 1990). His father's connections got him to the
>> > top of the line for the Air National Guard even though on his
>> > qualification tests he scored 25%, the lowest possible passing grade on
>> > the pilot aptitude portion. Then, while in the Guard he apparently blew
>> > off a significant portion of his obligation (at least there are no
>> > records to support his doing so), he got himself grounded, and then got
>> > out early to attend Harvard.
>> >
>> > You can try to change the subject to my military service, but that's not
>> > going to change the fact that Bush lied when he said he flew for "many
>> > years" when he only flew for 22 months. Its not going to change the
>> > fact that Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam while Bush explicitly asked
>> > not to be sent there.
>
>Bill:
>
>Are you really this misinformed? Do you even read newspapers? Bush
>missed his required physical. He got grounded and never had his flight
>privileges reinstated. It doesn't matter how many physical YOU had, it
>matters whether Bush had his required physical, and he didn't.
>
>Next, Bush was not TDY when he went to Harvard. He was discharged early.
>Here is his request to be discharged:
>
>http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/Doc20.gif
>
>Here is his discharge record:
>
>http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/ANG22.gif
>
>Note where is says, "Office has a six year service obligation ... and
>has completed 5 years, 4 months, and 5 days toward this obligation."
>
>Bush says all of his payroll records have been released. However, the
>available records show no service during May - September of 1972. Bush's
>superior officers were unable to complete his annual evaluation for 1972
>because, "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period
>of report."
>
>Bill, were you able to skip 5 months of your service, and then get
>discharged 8 months early? I know, I know. If I had been in the
>service, I would understand how you can blow off your obligations. Yeah,
>yeah, I'm just a girly man. But, Bush stilled lied when he said he flew
>for "many years" when he only flew for 22 months.

Bush had to make so many drill days (I don't know the number) and
received permission to do drill days in Alabama. If he didn't do
drill days in Alabama, then he still had to do them in Texas.

That's all there is to it.

 

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:06:06 -0400, Jeff <nothing@here.com> wrote:

>In article <412819C5.F8633AB4@***.net>,
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>> Geez, like me he had so many physicals.
>> Several of my friends while we were in the ARMY when to school full
>> time. They just called it TDY.
>> I think you know all his payroll records are accounted for.
>> Maybe if you would enlisted, it may educate you, along with making
>> you a man, girlie boy.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Jeff wrote:
>> >
>> > Bill:
>> >
>> > You really are a true believer, aren't you? Maybe all Bush needed was a
>> > trip to the doctor. However, he never made that trip. Its really hard to
>> > believe that you support Bush so strongly, yet know so little about him.
>> > In reality, he represents everything you hate. In his own words, he
>> > went into the guard to avoid Vietnam ("I was not prepared to shoot my
>> > eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
>> > willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to
>> > fly airplanes." -- GWB, 1990). His father's connections got him to the
>> > top of the line for the Air National Guard even though on his
>> > qualification tests he scored 25%, the lowest possible passing grade on
>> > the pilot aptitude portion. Then, while in the Guard he apparently blew
>> > off a significant portion of his obligation (at least there are no
>> > records to support his doing so), he got himself grounded, and then got
>> > out early to attend Harvard.
>> >
>> > You can try to change the subject to my military service, but that's not
>> > going to change the fact that Bush lied when he said he flew for "many
>> > years" when he only flew for 22 months. Its not going to change the
>> > fact that Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam while Bush explicitly asked
>> > not to be sent there.
>
>Bill:
>
>Are you really this misinformed? Do you even read newspapers? Bush
>missed his required physical. He got grounded and never had his flight
>privileges reinstated. It doesn't matter how many physical YOU had, it
>matters whether Bush had his required physical, and he didn't.
>
>Next, Bush was not TDY when he went to Harvard. He was discharged early.
>Here is his request to be discharged:
>
>http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/Doc20.gif
>
>Here is his discharge record:
>
>http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/ANG22.gif
>
>Note where is says, "Office has a six year service obligation ... and
>has completed 5 years, 4 months, and 5 days toward this obligation."
>
>Bush says all of his payroll records have been released. However, the
>available records show no service during May - September of 1972. Bush's
>superior officers were unable to complete his annual evaluation for 1972
>because, "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period
>of report."
>
>Bill, were you able to skip 5 months of your service, and then get
>discharged 8 months early? I know, I know. If I had been in the
>service, I would understand how you can blow off your obligations. Yeah,
>yeah, I'm just a girly man. But, Bush stilled lied when he said he flew
>for "many years" when he only flew for 22 months.

Bush had to make so many drill days (I don't know the number) and
received permission to do drill days in Alabama. If he didn't do
drill days in Alabama, then he still had to do them in Texas.

That's all there is to it.

 

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:06:06 -0400, Jeff <nothing@here.com> wrote:

>In article <412819C5.F8633AB4@***.net>,
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
>> Geez, like me he had so many physicals.
>> Several of my friends while we were in the ARMY when to school full
>> time. They just called it TDY.
>> I think you know all his payroll records are accounted for.
>> Maybe if you would enlisted, it may educate you, along with making
>> you a man, girlie boy.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Jeff wrote:
>> >
>> > Bill:
>> >
>> > You really are a true believer, aren't you? Maybe all Bush needed was a
>> > trip to the doctor. However, he never made that trip. Its really hard to
>> > believe that you support Bush so strongly, yet know so little about him.
>> > In reality, he represents everything you hate. In his own words, he
>> > went into the guard to avoid Vietnam ("I was not prepared to shoot my
>> > eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
>> > willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to
>> > fly airplanes." -- GWB, 1990). His father's connections got him to the
>> > top of the line for the Air National Guard even though on his
>> > qualification tests he scored 25%, the lowest possible passing grade on
>> > the pilot aptitude portion. Then, while in the Guard he apparently blew
>> > off a significant portion of his obligation (at least there are no
>> > records to support his doing so), he got himself grounded, and then got
>> > out early to attend Harvard.
>> >
>> > You can try to change the subject to my military service, but that's not
>> > going to change the fact that Bush lied when he said he flew for "many
>> > years" when he only flew for 22 months. Its not going to change the
>> > fact that Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam while Bush explicitly asked
>> > not to be sent there.
>
>Bill:
>
>Are you really this misinformed? Do you even read newspapers? Bush
>missed his required physical. He got grounded and never had his flight
>privileges reinstated. It doesn't matter how many physical YOU had, it
>matters whether Bush had his required physical, and he didn't.
>
>Next, Bush was not TDY when he went to Harvard. He was discharged early.
>Here is his request to be discharged:
>
>http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/Doc20.gif
>
>Here is his discharge record:
>
>http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/ANG22.gif
>
>Note where is says, "Office has a six year service obligation ... and
>has completed 5 years, 4 months, and 5 days toward this obligation."
>
>Bush says all of his payroll records have been released. However, the
>available records show no service during May - September of 1972. Bush's
>superior officers were unable to complete his annual evaluation for 1972
>because, "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period
>of report."
>
>Bill, were you able to skip 5 months of your service, and then get
>discharged 8 months early? I know, I know. If I had been in the
>service, I would understand how you can blow off your obligations. Yeah,
>yeah, I'm just a girly man. But, Bush stilled lied when he said he flew
>for "many years" when he only flew for 22 months.

Bush had to make so many drill days (I don't know the number) and
received permission to do drill days in Alabama. If he didn't do
drill days in Alabama, then he still had to do them in Texas.

That's all there is to it.