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Re: OT: Hunting vs. Off-roading
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7i1h30lh5kn5nk4nkffb86f2tfor7fgls4@4ax.com... > I didn't much like the idea of carrying cocked and locked at first, > but with the safety and the grip safety I guess setting it off > accidently would take some doing. according to everything ive read, carrying with the hammer down (on a 1911 anyway) on a loaded chamber is responsible for more accidental discharges than all other methods combined. it took a little getting used to, especially by my wife and mom who both know i carry but both dropped their jaws the first time they saw the hammer was cocked. even though the thumb strap goes between the hammer and firing pin, i guess it does look scary. > This 1911 I inherited from my Dad...according to the serial number > it's a 1918 build and the first thing anyone who handles it says is > how tight it is. what make is that? ive owned many 1911s but never an original like that. the fact that it functions so well now is proof of a superior design. > In fact I > may go buy a box of shells today, just for kicks heh.....sounds like a fine idea. -- Nathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://7SlotGrille.com |
Re: OT: Hunting vs. Off-roading
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:59:10 UTC "Nathan W. Collier"
<Spam@Blocker.com> wrote: > according to everything ive read, carrying with the hammer down (on a 1911 > anyway) on a loaded chamber is responsible for more accidental discharges > than all other methods combined. it took a little getting used to, > especially by my wife and mom who both know i carry but both dropped their > jaws the first time they saw the hammer was cocked. even though the thumb > strap goes between the hammer and firing pin, i guess it does look scary. I've always been told to carry it in the half----- position. That comes from my Dad (who won 2 Gold Cup match specials with .45's at Camp Perry in the late 40's) and several old law dogs. Looking at the mechanism, that appears to be the most solid mechanical position to me. The most informative display I saw was by an Oklahoma state trooper who used to give fast draw exhibitons using one. He had two real show stopper routines - besides having the fastest hands I ever did see. The first was to drop a M1911 with a round chambered (blank loads, of course) on the floor or the ground. Out of ten drops, it would go off an average of 7 times according to him - but I never saw it fail to discharge. The other was a 12 inch scar across his belly (he used a cross draw holster) to demonstrate the hazards of the full----- method. He wouldn't carry his in anything but half-----. Where do you find the build date from the serial number? The 1911 I have now came back from one of our conflicts as a trophy and was reworked by a gunsmith up in Wisconsin years back. He did all sorts of work to fit the slide and barrel bushing so that it is a sweet piece by now but I've always been curious about the provenence of the thing. -- Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net> |
Re: OT: Hunting vs. Off-roading
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:59:10 UTC "Nathan W. Collier"
<Spam@Blocker.com> wrote: > according to everything ive read, carrying with the hammer down (on a 1911 > anyway) on a loaded chamber is responsible for more accidental discharges > than all other methods combined. it took a little getting used to, > especially by my wife and mom who both know i carry but both dropped their > jaws the first time they saw the hammer was cocked. even though the thumb > strap goes between the hammer and firing pin, i guess it does look scary. I've always been told to carry it in the half----- position. That comes from my Dad (who won 2 Gold Cup match specials with .45's at Camp Perry in the late 40's) and several old law dogs. Looking at the mechanism, that appears to be the most solid mechanical position to me. The most informative display I saw was by an Oklahoma state trooper who used to give fast draw exhibitons using one. He had two real show stopper routines - besides having the fastest hands I ever did see. The first was to drop a M1911 with a round chambered (blank loads, of course) on the floor or the ground. Out of ten drops, it would go off an average of 7 times according to him - but I never saw it fail to discharge. The other was a 12 inch scar across his belly (he used a cross draw holster) to demonstrate the hazards of the full----- method. He wouldn't carry his in anything but half-----. Where do you find the build date from the serial number? The 1911 I have now came back from one of our conflicts as a trophy and was reworked by a gunsmith up in Wisconsin years back. He did all sorts of work to fit the slide and barrel bushing so that it is a sweet piece by now but I've always been curious about the provenence of the thing. -- Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net> |
Re: OT: Hunting vs. Off-roading
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:59:10 UTC "Nathan W. Collier"
<Spam@Blocker.com> wrote: > according to everything ive read, carrying with the hammer down (on a 1911 > anyway) on a loaded chamber is responsible for more accidental discharges > than all other methods combined. it took a little getting used to, > especially by my wife and mom who both know i carry but both dropped their > jaws the first time they saw the hammer was cocked. even though the thumb > strap goes between the hammer and firing pin, i guess it does look scary. I've always been told to carry it in the half----- position. That comes from my Dad (who won 2 Gold Cup match specials with .45's at Camp Perry in the late 40's) and several old law dogs. Looking at the mechanism, that appears to be the most solid mechanical position to me. The most informative display I saw was by an Oklahoma state trooper who used to give fast draw exhibitons using one. He had two real show stopper routines - besides having the fastest hands I ever did see. The first was to drop a M1911 with a round chambered (blank loads, of course) on the floor or the ground. Out of ten drops, it would go off an average of 7 times according to him - but I never saw it fail to discharge. The other was a 12 inch scar across his belly (he used a cross draw holster) to demonstrate the hazards of the full----- method. He wouldn't carry his in anything but half-----. Where do you find the build date from the serial number? The 1911 I have now came back from one of our conflicts as a trophy and was reworked by a gunsmith up in Wisconsin years back. He did all sorts of work to fit the slide and barrel bushing so that it is a sweet piece by now but I've always been curious about the provenence of the thing. -- Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net> |
Re: OT: Hunting vs. Off-roading
"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-8R1XdfDe7Nvd@anon.none.net... > I've always been told to carry it in the half----- position. the problem with half----- is that the hammer will still fall when the trigger is pulled. half ---- is not protection from being dropped. half-cocked is a stop gap incase the sear catch fails while the weapon is cocked. > The first was to drop a M1911 with a round chambered (blank loads, of > course) on the floor or the ground. Out of ten drops, it would go off > an average of 7 times according to him - but I never saw it fail to > discharge. that was with the hammer down? > The other was a 12 inch scar across his belly (he used a > cross draw holster) to demonstrate the hazards of the full----- > method. He wouldn't carry his in anything but half-----. was he carrying condition 0 (loaded, chambered, no safety on)? with the thumb safety up the hammer mechanically cannot possibly fall. -- Nathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://7SlotGrille.com |
Re: OT: Hunting vs. Off-roading
"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-8R1XdfDe7Nvd@anon.none.net... > I've always been told to carry it in the half----- position. the problem with half----- is that the hammer will still fall when the trigger is pulled. half ---- is not protection from being dropped. half-cocked is a stop gap incase the sear catch fails while the weapon is cocked. > The first was to drop a M1911 with a round chambered (blank loads, of > course) on the floor or the ground. Out of ten drops, it would go off > an average of 7 times according to him - but I never saw it fail to > discharge. that was with the hammer down? > The other was a 12 inch scar across his belly (he used a > cross draw holster) to demonstrate the hazards of the full----- > method. He wouldn't carry his in anything but half-----. was he carrying condition 0 (loaded, chambered, no safety on)? with the thumb safety up the hammer mechanically cannot possibly fall. -- Nathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://7SlotGrille.com |
Re: OT: Hunting vs. Off-roading
"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-8R1XdfDe7Nvd@anon.none.net... > I've always been told to carry it in the half----- position. the problem with half----- is that the hammer will still fall when the trigger is pulled. half ---- is not protection from being dropped. half-cocked is a stop gap incase the sear catch fails while the weapon is cocked. > The first was to drop a M1911 with a round chambered (blank loads, of > course) on the floor or the ground. Out of ten drops, it would go off > an average of 7 times according to him - but I never saw it fail to > discharge. that was with the hammer down? > The other was a 12 inch scar across his belly (he used a > cross draw holster) to demonstrate the hazards of the full----- > method. He wouldn't carry his in anything but half-----. was he carrying condition 0 (loaded, chambered, no safety on)? with the thumb safety up the hammer mechanically cannot possibly fall. -- Nathan W. Collier http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://7SlotGrille.com |
Re: Hunting vs. Off-roading
Some of us own our Jeeps for just exactly this...we hunt and fish and need
them to get us to the "special" spots...particularly as we get older. So we have to equip them for the road as well as "up country" crawling...and have to be able to handle the terrain without spotters and other assistance. So I've installed the Warn 8000I winch, bought it with the Dana 44, and have just finished the 30" GSAs that came with it. The new tires will be Goodrich Mud Terrain (Jerry Bransford's recommendation) 31x10.50s. Walt Johnson 1999 TJ KB2UOU |
Re: Hunting vs. Off-roading
Some of us own our Jeeps for just exactly this...we hunt and fish and need
them to get us to the "special" spots...particularly as we get older. So we have to equip them for the road as well as "up country" crawling...and have to be able to handle the terrain without spotters and other assistance. So I've installed the Warn 8000I winch, bought it with the Dana 44, and have just finished the 30" GSAs that came with it. The new tires will be Goodrich Mud Terrain (Jerry Bransford's recommendation) 31x10.50s. Walt Johnson 1999 TJ KB2UOU |
Re: Hunting vs. Off-roading
Some of us own our Jeeps for just exactly this...we hunt and fish and need
them to get us to the "special" spots...particularly as we get older. So we have to equip them for the road as well as "up country" crawling...and have to be able to handle the terrain without spotters and other assistance. So I've installed the Warn 8000I winch, bought it with the Dana 44, and have just finished the 30" GSAs that came with it. The new tires will be Goodrich Mud Terrain (Jerry Bransford's recommendation) 31x10.50s. Walt Johnson 1999 TJ KB2UOU |
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