There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got me
thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code, and
it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be all
that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless "information
display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer Fluid",
etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful to
have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
Sensor."

Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...
--
---
Matt Macchiarolo
mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
AIM screen name RTI1182

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -Edward R. Murrow

 

Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got me
> thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code, and
> it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be all
> that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless "information
> display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer Fluid",
> etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful to
> have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> Sensor."
>
> Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...

*DING*

We have a winner!

How else could the dealership charge 70-90$ just to run a simple fault code
scan. (Not that some don't provide further service than a simple scan)

Fortunatly with the new OBD systems the aftermarket is providing solutions.
They just don't have them dashmount yet.

My FAV is the "Rear Lamp Failure" which just sprung up again tonight.
Basically that means I need to reform the old lamp contacts again.
http://members.***.net/wilsond/blub/

woo hoo. 8|

--
DougW

 

Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got me
> thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code, and
> it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be all
> that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless "information
> display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer Fluid",
> etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful to
> have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> Sensor."
>
> Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...

*DING*

We have a winner!

How else could the dealership charge 70-90$ just to run a simple fault code
scan. (Not that some don't provide further service than a simple scan)

Fortunatly with the new OBD systems the aftermarket is providing solutions.
They just don't have them dashmount yet.

My FAV is the "Rear Lamp Failure" which just sprung up again tonight.
Basically that means I need to reform the old lamp contacts again.
http://members.***.net/wilsond/blub/

woo hoo. 8|

--
DougW

 

Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got me
> thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code, and
> it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be all
> that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless "information
> display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer Fluid",
> etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful to
> have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> Sensor."
>
> Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...

*DING*

We have a winner!

How else could the dealership charge 70-90$ just to run a simple fault code
scan. (Not that some don't provide further service than a simple scan)

Fortunatly with the new OBD systems the aftermarket is providing solutions.
They just don't have them dashmount yet.

My FAV is the "Rear Lamp Failure" which just sprung up again tonight.
Basically that means I need to reform the old lamp contacts again.
http://members.***.net/wilsond/blub/

woo hoo. 8|

--
DougW

 

http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got me
> thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code, and
> it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be all
> that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless "information
> display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer Fluid",
> etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful to
> have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> Sensor."
>
> Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...
> --
> ---
> Matt Macchiarolo
> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> AIM screen name RTI1182
>
> "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -Edward R. Murrow

 

http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got me
> thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code, and
> it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be all
> that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless "information
> display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer Fluid",
> etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful to
> have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> Sensor."
>
> Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...
> --
> ---
> Matt Macchiarolo
> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> AIM screen name RTI1182
>
> "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -Edward R. Murrow

 

http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got me
> thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code, and
> it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be all
> that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless "information
> display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer Fluid",
> etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful to
> have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> Sensor."
>
> Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...
> --
> ---
> Matt Macchiarolo
> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
> AIM screen name RTI1182
>
> "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -Edward R. Murrow

 

EX_FREAKIN_ATLY!!!!

My wife's Altima recently had the check engine light come on and just
because I forced myself, with some resistance, to learn by doing and
installed my MPI kit myself I knew how to find the computer and check the
return code. I quickly found that the error was the O2 sensor. BTW, the
way the code is revealed on an Altima is by accessing the computer behind a
panel on the floorboard hump. Anyway, just to gauge the situation, I called
the SteelerShip to ask them for an interpretation of the code to which they
refused. They told me I would need to bring it in to check it. So I called
another Steelership and told them I think my O2 sensor was bad, what would
they charge to fix it. They replied, first there would be a 70.00 charge to
check it out and confirm it is the O2 Sensor (they said it could be caused
by loose wiring). Then there would be an over 200.00 charge to replace the
O2 sensor if that is the problem. Pahh!! I got an 02 senor from Kragen for
around 30.00, reset the computer and everything has been fine since.

So, basically, they don't want you to fix your own vehicle and save money.
They want every dollar they can get from you.

Bill



"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:ga8%c.6533$OZ6.362@okepread06...
> Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> > There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got
me
> > thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code,
and
> > it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be
all
> > that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> > vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless
"information
> > display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer
Fluid",
> > etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful
to
> > have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> > Sensor."
> >
> > Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> > service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...
>
> *DING*
>
> We have a winner!
>
> How else could the dealership charge 70-90$ just to run a simple fault
code
> scan. (Not that some don't provide further service than a simple scan)
>
> Fortunatly with the new OBD systems the aftermarket is providing
solutions.
> They just don't have them dashmount yet.
>
> My FAV is the "Rear Lamp Failure" which just sprung up again tonight.
> Basically that means I need to reform the old lamp contacts again.
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/blub/
>
> woo hoo. 8|
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

 

EX_FREAKIN_ATLY!!!!

My wife's Altima recently had the check engine light come on and just
because I forced myself, with some resistance, to learn by doing and
installed my MPI kit myself I knew how to find the computer and check the
return code. I quickly found that the error was the O2 sensor. BTW, the
way the code is revealed on an Altima is by accessing the computer behind a
panel on the floorboard hump. Anyway, just to gauge the situation, I called
the SteelerShip to ask them for an interpretation of the code to which they
refused. They told me I would need to bring it in to check it. So I called
another Steelership and told them I think my O2 sensor was bad, what would
they charge to fix it. They replied, first there would be a 70.00 charge to
check it out and confirm it is the O2 Sensor (they said it could be caused
by loose wiring). Then there would be an over 200.00 charge to replace the
O2 sensor if that is the problem. Pahh!! I got an 02 senor from Kragen for
around 30.00, reset the computer and everything has been fine since.

So, basically, they don't want you to fix your own vehicle and save money.
They want every dollar they can get from you.

Bill



"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:ga8%c.6533$OZ6.362@okepread06...
> Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> > There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got
me
> > thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code,
and
> > it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be
all
> > that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> > vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless
"information
> > display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer
Fluid",
> > etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful
to
> > have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> > Sensor."
> >
> > Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> > service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...
>
> *DING*
>
> We have a winner!
>
> How else could the dealership charge 70-90$ just to run a simple fault
code
> scan. (Not that some don't provide further service than a simple scan)
>
> Fortunatly with the new OBD systems the aftermarket is providing
solutions.
> They just don't have them dashmount yet.
>
> My FAV is the "Rear Lamp Failure" which just sprung up again tonight.
> Basically that means I need to reform the old lamp contacts again.
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/blub/
>
> woo hoo. 8|
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

 

EX_FREAKIN_ATLY!!!!

My wife's Altima recently had the check engine light come on and just
because I forced myself, with some resistance, to learn by doing and
installed my MPI kit myself I knew how to find the computer and check the
return code. I quickly found that the error was the O2 sensor. BTW, the
way the code is revealed on an Altima is by accessing the computer behind a
panel on the floorboard hump. Anyway, just to gauge the situation, I called
the SteelerShip to ask them for an interpretation of the code to which they
refused. They told me I would need to bring it in to check it. So I called
another Steelership and told them I think my O2 sensor was bad, what would
they charge to fix it. They replied, first there would be a 70.00 charge to
check it out and confirm it is the O2 Sensor (they said it could be caused
by loose wiring). Then there would be an over 200.00 charge to replace the
O2 sensor if that is the problem. Pahh!! I got an 02 senor from Kragen for
around 30.00, reset the computer and everything has been fine since.

So, basically, they don't want you to fix your own vehicle and save money.
They want every dollar they can get from you.

Bill



"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:ga8%c.6533$OZ6.362@okepread06...
> Matt Macchiarolo did pass the time by typing:
> > There's a discussion in alt.trucks.ford about code readers, and it got
me
> > thinking...why couldn't there be a small display to show a stored code,
and
> > it's definition, in every (new) vehicle? Doesn't seem like it would be
all
> > that expensive to engineer one into a vehicle, especially since a lot of
> > vehicles (including my wife's Freestar) has a next-to-useless
"information
> > display" in the dashboard ("Door Ajar, Change Your Oil, Low Washer
Fluid",
> > etc). Seems when a "Check Engine" code is tripped, it would be helpful
to
> > have a display already there saying "O2 Sensor" or "Thottle Position
> > Sensor."
> >
> > Of course, by equipping vehicles with such an apparatus, the dealership
> > service depts stand to lose a lot of revenue in diagnostic fees...
>
> *DING*
>
> We have a winner!
>
> How else could the dealership charge 70-90$ just to run a simple fault
code
> scan. (Not that some don't provide further service than a simple scan)
>
> Fortunatly with the new OBD systems the aftermarket is providing
solutions.
> They just don't have them dashmount yet.
>
> My FAV is the "Rear Lamp Failure" which just sprung up again tonight.
> Basically that means I need to reform the old lamp contacts again.
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/blub/
>
> woo hoo. 8|
>
> --
> DougW
>
>