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No-lead foods WAS: Oil prices got you down?
It is thought by some that the chronic lead poisoning that is evident in
some Roman remains was caused by lead leaching into their wine and food from lead storage and cooking vessels, and from lead-based medicines and cosmetics. Lead plumbing or lead-based solder used in plumbing contributes little to modern lead intake -- unless you disturb the pipes and break the lime that has coated the inside. Dave Milne wrote: > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-) > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water' > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET... > >>What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves >>via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? >> >> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >>news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk... >> >>>"The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate >>>greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the >>>destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time >>>or >>>accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric >>>yielded >>>to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and >>>obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we >>>should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon, >>>Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury >>>(London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] >>> >>>In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the > > wolf > >>>at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500 >>>years >>>? Every dog/wolf has their day ! >>> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >>> >>>"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message >>>news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET.. . >>> >>>>>>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization > > is > >>>>>really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was >>>>>certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a >>>>>whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their >>>>>treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. >>>> >>>>They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat > > and > >>>>lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the >>> >>>powerhouse >>> >>>>that it was under Julius Caesar. >>> >>> >> > > |
No-lead foods WAS: Oil prices got you down?
It is thought by some that the chronic lead poisoning that is evident in
some Roman remains was caused by lead leaching into their wine and food from lead storage and cooking vessels, and from lead-based medicines and cosmetics. Lead plumbing or lead-based solder used in plumbing contributes little to modern lead intake -- unless you disturb the pipes and break the lime that has coated the inside. Dave Milne wrote: > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-) > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water' > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET... > >>What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves >>via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? >> >> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >>news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk... >> >>>"The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate >>>greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the >>>destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time >>>or >>>accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric >>>yielded >>>to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and >>>obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we >>>should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon, >>>Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury >>>(London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] >>> >>>In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the > > wolf > >>>at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500 >>>years >>>? Every dog/wolf has their day ! >>> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >>> >>>"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message >>>news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET.. . >>> >>>>>>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization > > is > >>>>>really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was >>>>>certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a >>>>>whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their >>>>>treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. >>>> >>>>They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat > > and > >>>>lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the >>> >>>powerhouse >>> >>>>that it was under Julius Caesar. >>> >>> >> > > |
No-lead foods WAS: Oil prices got you down?
It is thought by some that the chronic lead poisoning that is evident in
some Roman remains was caused by lead leaching into their wine and food from lead storage and cooking vessels, and from lead-based medicines and cosmetics. Lead plumbing or lead-based solder used in plumbing contributes little to modern lead intake -- unless you disturb the pipes and break the lime that has coated the inside. Dave Milne wrote: > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-) > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water' > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET... > >>What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves >>via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? >> >> >>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >>news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk... >> >>>"The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate >>>greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the >>>destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time >>>or >>>accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric >>>yielded >>>to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and >>>obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we >>>should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon, >>>Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury >>>(London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] >>> >>>In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the > > wolf > >>>at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500 >>>years >>>? Every dog/wolf has their day ! >>> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >>> >>>"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message >>>news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET.. . >>> >>>>>>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization > > is > >>>>>really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was >>>>>certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a >>>>>whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their >>>>>treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. >>>> >>>>They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat > > and > >>>>lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the >>> >>>powerhouse >>> >>>>that it was under Julius Caesar. >>> >>> >> > > |
Re: Oil prices got you down?
i was involved in testing for that with the feds and it went for 2 years and
they report they sent me was really neat but no lead in my pipes affecting water quality Billy Ray wrote: > What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves > via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate > > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the > > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time > > or > > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric > > yielded > > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and > > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we > > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon, > > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury > > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] > > > > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the wolf > > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500 > > years > > ? Every dog/wolf has their day ! > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message > > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET... > >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization is > >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was > >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a > >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their > >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. > >> > >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat and > >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the > > powerhouse > >> that it was under Julius Caesar. > > > > |
Re: Oil prices got you down?
i was involved in testing for that with the feds and it went for 2 years and
they report they sent me was really neat but no lead in my pipes affecting water quality Billy Ray wrote: > What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves > via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate > > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the > > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time > > or > > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric > > yielded > > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and > > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we > > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon, > > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury > > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] > > > > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the wolf > > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500 > > years > > ? Every dog/wolf has their day ! > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message > > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET... > >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization is > >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was > >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a > >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their > >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. > >> > >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat and > >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the > > powerhouse > >> that it was under Julius Caesar. > > > > |
Re: Oil prices got you down?
i was involved in testing for that with the feds and it went for 2 years and
they report they sent me was really neat but no lead in my pipes affecting water quality Billy Ray wrote: > What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves > via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate > > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the > > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time > > or > > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric > > yielded > > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and > > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we > > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon, > > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury > > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] > > > > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the wolf > > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500 > > years > > ? Every dog/wolf has their day ! > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message > > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET... > >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization is > >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was > >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a > >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their > >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. > >> > >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat and > >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the > > powerhouse > >> that it was under Julius Caesar. > > > > |
Re: Oil prices got you down?
i was involved in testing for that with the feds and it went for 2 years and
they report they sent me was really neat but no lead in my pipes affecting water quality Billy Ray wrote: > What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves > via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate > > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the > > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time > > or > > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric > > yielded > > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and > > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we > > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon, > > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury > > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] > > > > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the wolf > > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500 > > years > > ? Every dog/wolf has their day ! > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > > > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message > > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET... > >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization is > >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was > >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a > >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their > >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. > >> > >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat and > >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the > > powerhouse > >> that it was under Julius Caesar. > > > > |
Re: Oil prices got you down?
In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
like they do here? "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > As your article said: > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have > caused > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes, > insulating > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> Just the entrance pipes. >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET... >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes? >> > >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/ >> > >> > >> > >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ... >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-) >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It >> > > isn't >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form >> > > an >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard >> > > water' >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since >> > > 1934 - >> he >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91. >> > > >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> > > >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET... >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned >> themselves >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of >> > >> > immoderate >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of >> the >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon >> > >> > as >> > >> > time >> > >> > or >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous >> > >> > fabric >> > >> > yielded >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple >> and >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was > destroyed >> we >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." >> [Gibbon, >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. >> > >> > B. >> > >> > Bury >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] >> > >> > >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as > the >> > > wolf >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another >> 500 >> > >> > years >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day ! >> > >> > >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> > >> > >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET... >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a >> civilization >> > > is >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That >> > >> >> > was >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They >> > >> >> > kicked > a >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained >> their >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got > fat >> > > and >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the >> > >> > powerhouse >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Oil prices got you down?
In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
like they do here? "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > As your article said: > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have > caused > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes, > insulating > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> Just the entrance pipes. >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET... >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes? >> > >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/ >> > >> > >> > >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ... >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-) >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It >> > > isn't >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form >> > > an >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard >> > > water' >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since >> > > 1934 - >> he >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91. >> > > >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> > > >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET... >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned >> themselves >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of >> > >> > immoderate >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of >> the >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon >> > >> > as >> > >> > time >> > >> > or >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous >> > >> > fabric >> > >> > yielded >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple >> and >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was > destroyed >> we >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." >> [Gibbon, >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. >> > >> > B. >> > >> > Bury >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] >> > >> > >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as > the >> > > wolf >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another >> 500 >> > >> > years >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day ! >> > >> > >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> > >> > >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET... >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a >> civilization >> > > is >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That >> > >> >> > was >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They >> > >> >> > kicked > a >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained >> their >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got > fat >> > > and >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the >> > >> > powerhouse >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Oil prices got you down?
In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to day
like they do here? "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > As your article said: > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have > caused > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes, > insulating > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water. > > Dave Milne, Scotland > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> Just the entrance pipes. >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET... >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes? >> > >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/ >> > >> > >> > >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ... >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-) >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It >> > > isn't >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form >> > > an >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard >> > > water' >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since >> > > 1934 - >> he >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91. >> > > >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> > > >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET... >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned >> themselves >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk... >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of >> > >> > immoderate >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of >> the >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon >> > >> > as >> > >> > time >> > >> > or >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous >> > >> > fabric >> > >> > yielded >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple >> and >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was > destroyed >> we >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." >> [Gibbon, >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. >> > >> > B. >> > >> > Bury >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.] >> > >> > >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as > the >> > > wolf >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another >> 500 >> > >> > years >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day ! >> > >> > >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ >> > >> > >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET... >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a >> civilization >> > > is >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That >> > >> >> > was >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They >> > >> >> > kicked > a >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained >> their >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders.. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got > fat >> > > and >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the >> > >> > powerhouse >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > |
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