Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
> Brian,
>
> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40 in
> the winter?
>

This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.

Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach as
high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than that
sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat from other
vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks. Our company
has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are equipped with
satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck enters
violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in warm
weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case. There are
ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not necessary for us.
The company used to be very rigid about idling and drivers could lose a
percentage of their bonus but the cost of "investigating" each and every
circumstance outweighs the savings. They don't want drivers on the dock for
4 hours unloading while the truck idles but they do understand sitting in
queue in unbearable heat or cold.

And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/

The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They are
stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can conceivably
pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two years.

Pay for themselves in two years?
Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban them
as well starting 2007.
http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592

No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
"Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
> Brian,
>
> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40 in
> the winter?
>

This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.

Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach as
high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than that
sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat from other
vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks. Our company
has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are equipped with
satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck enters
violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in warm
weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case. There are
ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not necessary for us.
The company used to be very rigid about idling and drivers could lose a
percentage of their bonus but the cost of "investigating" each and every
circumstance outweighs the savings. They don't want drivers on the dock for
4 hours unloading while the truck idles but they do understand sitting in
queue in unbearable heat or cold.

And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/

The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They are
stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can conceivably
pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two years.

Pay for themselves in two years?
Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban them
as well starting 2007.
http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592

No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
"Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
> Brian,
>
> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40 in
> the winter?
>

This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.

Fortunately in Ontario, trucks need only to comply with emissions testing
and can idle. As you point out, temperatures can dip to -40 C/F and reach as
high as 35C (100F)... and let me tell you, it can be a lot hotter than that
sitting a truck stop with the heat from the asphalt, radiant heat from other
vehicles and no cross breeze when parked between other trucks. Our company
has adopted a common sense approach to idling. Our trucks are equipped with
satellites that monitor idling among other things. The truck enters
violation after ten minutes in cold weather and three minutes in warm
weather. The truck will shut off after ten minutes in either case. There are
ways to 'trick' the system and keep it idling but it's not necessary for us.
The company used to be very rigid about idling and drivers could lose a
percentage of their bonus but the cost of "investigating" each and every
circumstance outweighs the savings. They don't want drivers on the dock for
4 hours unloading while the truck idles but they do understand sitting in
queue in unbearable heat or cold.

And now the farce... every state has their own interpretation on idling.
http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_sta...icipal_idling/

The solution? APU's - Auxiliary Power Units
APU's are small diesel generators that provide 120V power supply for power
tools, appliances etc. 60A to recharge your trucks batteries. Engine block
heater for those extreme climates and a cab controlled HVAC system. They are
stand alone systems that mount on the side of the frame and can conceivably
pay for themselves through fuel savings alone inside of two years.

Pay for themselves in two years?
Yep, it's a good thing too because environmental do-gooders want to ban them
as well starting 2007.
http://www.todaystrucking.com/displa...le.cfm?ID=3592

No doubt, there will soon be a hand picked elite force named the
"Three-Minutemen" patrolling a truck stop near you.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message ...

> Liberalism in the 1930's and 1940's is a far cry from the liberalism
> today. Today, they're off the hook trying to save breeds of weeds that are
> dying off in desert areas, and trying to model our government after more
> socialistic governments like Canada and others in Europe. There's a reason
> we're far better off than they are... Let's not.
>

Ohhhh, what am I missing out on? Please explain this comment.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message ...

> Liberalism in the 1930's and 1940's is a far cry from the liberalism
> today. Today, they're off the hook trying to save breeds of weeds that are
> dying off in desert areas, and trying to model our government after more
> socialistic governments like Canada and others in Europe. There's a reason
> we're far better off than they are... Let's not.
>

Ohhhh, what am I missing out on? Please explain this comment.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message ...

> Liberalism in the 1930's and 1940's is a far cry from the liberalism
> today. Today, they're off the hook trying to save breeds of weeds that are
> dying off in desert areas, and trying to model our government after more
> socialistic governments like Canada and others in Europe. There's a reason
> we're far better off than they are... Let's not.
>

Ohhhh, what am I missing out on? Please explain this comment.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message ...

> Liberalism in the 1930's and 1940's is a far cry from the liberalism
> today. Today, they're off the hook trying to save breeds of weeds that are
> dying off in desert areas, and trying to model our government after more
> socialistic governments like Canada and others in Europe. There's a reason
> we're far better off than they are... Let's not.
>

Ohhhh, what am I missing out on? Please explain this comment.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

Et too, Brute?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Sorry, I did not read the website in detail. There was show on educational
> TV years ago that I recalled watching. I got that site from google
> searching the terms "rome lead toxicity"
>
> here is a list of direct references
>
> Lead and the Fall of Rome: A Bibliography
> Originally posted March 23, 1998.
> Since the nineteenth century, there have been sporadic suggestions that the
> large-scale use of lead in antiquity contributed to the fall of Rome through
> heavy-metal poisoning.
>
> A request to the always-generous members of LT-ANTIQ for bibliography on
> this question produced the following results. Enjoy!

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

Et too, Brute?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Sorry, I did not read the website in detail. There was show on educational
> TV years ago that I recalled watching. I got that site from google
> searching the terms "rome lead toxicity"
>
> here is a list of direct references
>
> Lead and the Fall of Rome: A Bibliography
> Originally posted March 23, 1998.
> Since the nineteenth century, there have been sporadic suggestions that the
> large-scale use of lead in antiquity contributed to the fall of Rome through
> heavy-metal poisoning.
>
> A request to the always-generous members of LT-ANTIQ for bibliography on
> this question produced the following results. Enjoy!

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

Et too, Brute?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Sorry, I did not read the website in detail. There was show on educational
> TV years ago that I recalled watching. I got that site from google
> searching the terms "rome lead toxicity"
>
> here is a list of direct references
>
> Lead and the Fall of Rome: A Bibliography
> Originally posted March 23, 1998.
> Since the nineteenth century, there have been sporadic suggestions that the
> large-scale use of lead in antiquity contributed to the fall of Rome through
> heavy-metal poisoning.
>
> A request to the always-generous members of LT-ANTIQ for bibliography on
> this question produced the following results. Enjoy!