Oil prices got you down?
08-14-2005 | 12:31 PM
#331
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
Or the theory, that they since they never figured out reinforced concrete,
they couldn't build multiple story office and government buildings like we
have, and thus they failed from insufficiency of bureaucracy, the real
brains of any civilization. Our bureaucracy, housed in gigantic
skyscrapers, should be enough to keep us going for millennia. Never forget
the first rule of government--save your job.
People forget, that the 911 skyjackers did not target New York City or the
World Trade Center, so much as the bureaucrats housed within.
Earle
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
they couldn't build multiple story office and government buildings like we
have, and thus they failed from insufficiency of bureaucracy, the real
brains of any civilization. Our bureaucracy, housed in gigantic
skyscrapers, should be enough to keep us going for millennia. Never forget
the first rule of government--save your job.
People forget, that the 911 skyjackers did not target New York City or the
World Trade Center, so much as the bureaucrats housed within.
Earle
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:31 PM
#332
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
Or the theory, that they since they never figured out reinforced concrete,
they couldn't build multiple story office and government buildings like we
have, and thus they failed from insufficiency of bureaucracy, the real
brains of any civilization. Our bureaucracy, housed in gigantic
skyscrapers, should be enough to keep us going for millennia. Never forget
the first rule of government--save your job.
People forget, that the 911 skyjackers did not target New York City or the
World Trade Center, so much as the bureaucrats housed within.
Earle
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
they couldn't build multiple story office and government buildings like we
have, and thus they failed from insufficiency of bureaucracy, the real
brains of any civilization. Our bureaucracy, housed in gigantic
skyscrapers, should be enough to keep us going for millennia. Never forget
the first rule of government--save your job.
People forget, that the 911 skyjackers did not target New York City or the
World Trade Center, so much as the bureaucrats housed within.
Earle
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:31 PM
#333
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
Or the theory, that they since they never figured out reinforced concrete,
they couldn't build multiple story office and government buildings like we
have, and thus they failed from insufficiency of bureaucracy, the real
brains of any civilization. Our bureaucracy, housed in gigantic
skyscrapers, should be enough to keep us going for millennia. Never forget
the first rule of government--save your job.
People forget, that the 911 skyjackers did not target New York City or the
World Trade Center, so much as the bureaucrats housed within.
Earle
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
they couldn't build multiple story office and government buildings like we
have, and thus they failed from insufficiency of bureaucracy, the real
brains of any civilization. Our bureaucracy, housed in gigantic
skyscrapers, should be enough to keep us going for millennia. Never forget
the first rule of government--save your job.
People forget, that the 911 skyjackers did not target New York City or the
World Trade Center, so much as the bureaucrats housed within.
Earle
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:34 PM
#334
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:34 PM
#335
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:34 PM
#336
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:34 PM
#337
Guest
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
> > or
> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > yielded
> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >
> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
wolf
> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
> > years
> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization
is
> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >>
> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
and
> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > powerhouse
> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:35 PM
#338
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Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
I would have thought so..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af3e3$42ff665e$42a1cc8c$26840@FUSE.NET...
> Was that study paid for with a government grant?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> > btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
> >> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
> >> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
> >
> >
>
>
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af3e3$42ff665e$42a1cc8c$26840@FUSE.NET...
> Was that study paid for with a government grant?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> > btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
> >> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
> >> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:35 PM
#339
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
I would have thought so..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af3e3$42ff665e$42a1cc8c$26840@FUSE.NET...
> Was that study paid for with a government grant?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> > btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
> >> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
> >> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
> >
> >
>
>
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af3e3$42ff665e$42a1cc8c$26840@FUSE.NET...
> Was that study paid for with a government grant?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> > btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
> >> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
> >> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2005 | 12:35 PM
#340
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
I would have thought so..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af3e3$42ff665e$42a1cc8c$26840@FUSE.NET...
> Was that study paid for with a government grant?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> > btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
> >> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
> >> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
> >
> >
>
>
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af3e3$42ff665e$42a1cc8c$26840@FUSE.NET...
> Was that study paid for with a government grant?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:F0JLe.88764$G8.6715@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > That's an outrageous claim, Bill, and one you should be ashamed of !
> > btw, Bees like flowers - it's official.
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4150200.stm
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42FEAC06.30949E05@***.net...
> >> As a professor your job depends on tax payer's money, and your
> >> ability to bullsh*t needs for government grants.
> >
> >
>
>