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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled?
"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45f06234$0$16376$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > http://www.----------.com/dodgediesel.jpg > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- > > "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1173376964.026418.129960@64g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com... >> It's easy to get all the common rail engines over here-junkyards over >> there will crate them up complete with ECM and harnesses. And if you >> get rid of the catalysts, particulate traps and EGR they will burn >> regular fuel. The EPA has nothing to say about it if you tell them >> it's for a race car or an experimental aircraft at Customs. EPA is >> prohibited from messing with those. If you are going into an older >> chassis, KKKalifornia can be stumped if the engine is a "Service >> Replacement Block" engine. Which since Euro engines do not have a US >> format VIN they all are. You just have to be smarter than the average >> bear. >> >> > >> > If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the >> > electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each >> > wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin >> > the bearings on an Indy Racer. >> >> >> That's a myth that has persisted forty years now! The four wheel >> drive STP racer (which took the pole on a junk unairworthy engine PWC >> gave Granatelli to shut him up) broke bearings because of exceedingly >> poor chassis design, NOT because of the mighty torque of the PT6A. >> They refused to put U-joints at the transfer case. >> >> I am kind of surprised that with all the junk unairworthy Allison and >> Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen >> more in off road recreational use. >> > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
A diesel truck, and how do they get power? By pouring the cole oil to
it, because there is no throttle valve like a gasoline engine. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:eb840$45f083b6$422afc51$16553@FUSE.NET... > Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
A diesel truck, and how do they get power? By pouring the cole oil to
it, because there is no throttle valve like a gasoline engine. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:eb840$45f083b6$422afc51$16553@FUSE.NET... > Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
A diesel truck, and how do they get power? By pouring the cole oil to
it, because there is no throttle valve like a gasoline engine. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:eb840$45f083b6$422afc51$16553@FUSE.NET... > Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
>and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a
> lot better engine braking. Not without throttle plates and/or a Jake brake -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
>and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a
> lot better engine braking. Not without throttle plates and/or a Jake brake -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
>and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a
> lot better engine braking. Not without throttle plates and/or a Jake brake -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
> Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the ass is the
> MBZ because of its front sump. A little cutting and welding will fix that. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
> Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the ass is the
> MBZ because of its front sump. A little cutting and welding will fix that. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
> Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the ass is the
> MBZ because of its front sump. A little cutting and welding will fix that. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Including buffalo chips.
Earle Horton proclaimed: > We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. > > Earle > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > >> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm. >> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming >> >>down >> >>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is > > different > >>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a >> >>little >> >>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from > > the > >>>bus exhaust to clear his head. >>> >>>;^) >>> >>>Earle >>> >>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m... >>> >>>>Hi Earle, >>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the >>>>mountains, now. >>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 >>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>>> >>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com... >>>> >>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how > > "low" > >>it >> >>>>is. >>>> >>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the >>>> >>>>difference >>>> >>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like >>> >>>with >>> >>>>a >>>> >>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One >>> >>>night >>> >>>>in >>>> >>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from > > L.A. > >>>who >>> >>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to >> >>call >> >>>>the >>>> >>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few >>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said. >>>>> >>>>>Earle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Including buffalo chips.
Earle Horton proclaimed: > We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. > > Earle > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > >> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm. >> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming >> >>down >> >>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is > > different > >>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a >> >>little >> >>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from > > the > >>>bus exhaust to clear his head. >>> >>>;^) >>> >>>Earle >>> >>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m... >>> >>>>Hi Earle, >>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the >>>>mountains, now. >>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 >>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>>> >>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com... >>>> >>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how > > "low" > >>it >> >>>>is. >>>> >>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the >>>> >>>>difference >>>> >>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like >>> >>>with >>> >>>>a >>>> >>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One >>> >>>night >>> >>>>in >>>> >>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from > > L.A. > >>>who >>> >>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to >> >>call >> >>>>the >>>> >>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few >>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said. >>>>> >>>>>Earle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Including buffalo chips.
Earle Horton proclaimed: > We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. > > Earle > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > >> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm. >> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming >> >>down >> >>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is > > different > >>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a >> >>little >> >>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from > > the > >>>bus exhaust to clear his head. >>> >>>;^) >>> >>>Earle >>> >>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m... >>> >>>>Hi Earle, >>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the >>>>mountains, now. >>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 >>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >>>> >>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message >>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com... >>>> >>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how > > "low" > >>it >> >>>>is. >>>> >>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the >>>> >>>>difference >>>> >>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like >>> >>>with >>> >>>>a >>>> >>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One >>> >>>night >>> >>>>in >>>> >>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from > > L.A. > >>>who >>> >>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to >> >>call >> >>>>the >>>> >>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few >>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said. >>>>> >>>>>Earle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> > > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Incomplete thinking there. If food were cheaper, then the used french fry oil would be more available and therefore cheaper. That way, everyone would be able to afford a diesel to haul their fat **s around. Earle Horton proclaimed: > Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer. > Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in > this country. > > Earle > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >>Run bio diesel. >> >>Earle Horton proclaimed: >> >> >>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it > > is. > >>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the > > difference > >>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like > > with a > >>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One > > night in > >>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. > > who > >>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call > > the > >>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few >>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said. >>> >>>Earle >>> >>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com... >>> >>> >>>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm >>>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, >>>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas >>>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is >>>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the >>>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) >>>> >>>>Mike >>>> >>>>Spdloader wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my >>> >>>latest >>> >>> >>>>>'87 CJ project. >>>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't >>> >>>wheel in >>> >>> >>>>>large groups like that anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Spdloader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.news hosting.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I'll bite for the Troll. >>>>>> >>>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, >>> >>>eh? >>> >>> >>>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. >>> >>>Despite >>> >>> >>>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously >>> >>>are >>> >>> >>>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are > > still > >>>>>>smarter than you Bret... >>>>>> >>>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line >>>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out > > the > >>>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. >>>>>> >>>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a >>> >>>welcome >>> >>> >>>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the >>> >>>end >>> >>> >>>>>>like I mentioned. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic >>> >>>in >>> >>> >>>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. >>>>>> >>>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll >>> >>>by >>> >>> >>>>>>not just me. >>>>>> >>>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that >>>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still > > get > >>>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench. >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike >>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>>>> >>>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no >>>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, > > "What > >>>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> common across the nation >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the right size >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the right weight >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle > > such > >>>>>>>as a Jeep >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> affordable to buy >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above >>>>>>>requirements" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let's see: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Isuzu-several >>>>>>>Nissan-SD25, SD33T >>>>>>>Mercedes-OM617 >>>>>>>Mitsubishi-several >>>>>>>Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs >>>>>>>VW-maybe for a flatfender >>>>>>>Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! >>>>>>>Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud >>>>>>>Volvo-same as Cummins >>>>>>>Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! >>>>>>>Iveco-possible >>>>>>> >>>>>>>How many do you need? >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Incomplete thinking there. If food were cheaper, then the used french fry oil would be more available and therefore cheaper. That way, everyone would be able to afford a diesel to haul their fat **s around. Earle Horton proclaimed: > Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer. > Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in > this country. > > Earle > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >>Run bio diesel. >> >>Earle Horton proclaimed: >> >> >>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it > > is. > >>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the > > difference > >>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like > > with a > >>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One > > night in > >>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. > > who > >>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call > > the > >>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few >>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said. >>> >>>Earle >>> >>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com... >>> >>> >>>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm >>>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, >>>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas >>>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is >>>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the >>>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) >>>> >>>>Mike >>>> >>>>Spdloader wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my >>> >>>latest >>> >>> >>>>>'87 CJ project. >>>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't >>> >>>wheel in >>> >>> >>>>>large groups like that anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Spdloader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.news hosting.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I'll bite for the Troll. >>>>>> >>>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, >>> >>>eh? >>> >>> >>>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. >>> >>>Despite >>> >>> >>>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously >>> >>>are >>> >>> >>>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are > > still > >>>>>>smarter than you Bret... >>>>>> >>>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line >>>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out > > the > >>>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. >>>>>> >>>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a >>> >>>welcome >>> >>> >>>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the >>> >>>end >>> >>> >>>>>>like I mentioned. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic >>> >>>in >>> >>> >>>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. >>>>>> >>>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll >>> >>>by >>> >>> >>>>>>not just me. >>>>>> >>>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that >>>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still > > get > >>>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench. >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike >>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>>>> >>>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no >>>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, > > "What > >>>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> common across the nation >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the right size >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the right weight >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle > > such > >>>>>>>as a Jeep >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> affordable to buy >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above >>>>>>>requirements" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let's see: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Isuzu-several >>>>>>>Nissan-SD25, SD33T >>>>>>>Mercedes-OM617 >>>>>>>Mitsubishi-several >>>>>>>Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs >>>>>>>VW-maybe for a flatfender >>>>>>>Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! >>>>>>>Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud >>>>>>>Volvo-same as Cummins >>>>>>>Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! >>>>>>>Iveco-possible >>>>>>> >>>>>>>How many do you need? >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Incomplete thinking there. If food were cheaper, then the used french fry oil would be more available and therefore cheaper. That way, everyone would be able to afford a diesel to haul their fat **s around. Earle Horton proclaimed: > Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer. > Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in > this country. > > Earle > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. .. > >>Run bio diesel. >> >>Earle Horton proclaimed: >> >> >>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it > > is. > >>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the > > difference > >>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like > > with a > >>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One > > night in > >>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. > > who > >>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call > > the > >>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few >>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said. >>> >>>Earle >>> >>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com... >>> >>> >>>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm >>>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, >>>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas >>>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is >>>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the >>>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) >>>> >>>>Mike >>>> >>>>Spdloader wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my >>> >>>latest >>> >>> >>>>>'87 CJ project. >>>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't >>> >>>wheel in >>> >>> >>>>>large groups like that anyway. >>>>> >>>>>Spdloader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.news hosting.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I'll bite for the Troll. >>>>>> >>>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep, >>> >>>eh? >>> >>> >>>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters. >>> >>>Despite >>> >>> >>>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously >>> >>>are >>> >>> >>>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are > > still > >>>>>>smarter than you Bret... >>>>>> >>>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line >>>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out > > the > >>>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke. >>>>>> >>>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a >>> >>>welcome >>> >>> >>>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the >>> >>>end >>> >>> >>>>>>like I mentioned. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic >>> >>>in >>> >>> >>>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail. >>>>>> >>>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll >>> >>>by >>> >>> >>>>>>not just me. >>>>>> >>>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that >>>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still > > get > >>>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench. >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike >>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>>>> >>>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no >>>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, > > "What > >>>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> common across the nation >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the right size >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the right weight >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle > > such > >>>>>>>as a Jeep >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> affordable to buy >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above >>>>>>>requirements" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let's see: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Isuzu-several >>>>>>>Nissan-SD25, SD33T >>>>>>>Mercedes-OM617 >>>>>>>Mitsubishi-several >>>>>>>Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs >>>>>>>VW-maybe for a flatfender >>>>>>>Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats! >>>>>>>Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud >>>>>>>Volvo-same as Cummins >>>>>>>Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!! >>>>>>>Iveco-possible >>>>>>> >>>>>>>How many do you need? >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On Mar 8, 8:08 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the ass is the > > MBZ because of its front sump. > > A little cutting and welding will fix that. On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are looking at catastrophic engine failure. MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s. "Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about 300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would go the life of the lower end probably. Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump clearance issue. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On Mar 8, 8:08 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the ass is the > > MBZ because of its front sump. > > A little cutting and welding will fix that. On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are looking at catastrophic engine failure. MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s. "Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about 300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would go the life of the lower end probably. Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump clearance issue. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On Mar 8, 8:08 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the ass is the > > MBZ because of its front sump. > > A little cutting and welding will fix that. On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are looking at catastrophic engine failure. MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s. "Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about 300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would go the life of the lower end probably. Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump clearance issue. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
> > "Something different planned", uh, huh. A fuel burning cab heater is OK if > you pay attention to maintenance. Mechanics that can rebuild an engine or > an automatic transmission get all thumbs when faced with one. > The Webasto is pretty simple. So are South Winds and Eberspachers. Most of these so caled "mechanics" are actually partschangers. Webastos are readily available but they are expensive new, so are the parts, but they are pretty reliable. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
> > "Something different planned", uh, huh. A fuel burning cab heater is OK if > you pay attention to maintenance. Mechanics that can rebuild an engine or > an automatic transmission get all thumbs when faced with one. > The Webasto is pretty simple. So are South Winds and Eberspachers. Most of these so caled "mechanics" are actually partschangers. Webastos are readily available but they are expensive new, so are the parts, but they are pretty reliable. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
> > "Something different planned", uh, huh. A fuel burning cab heater is OK if > you pay attention to maintenance. Mechanics that can rebuild an engine or > an automatic transmission get all thumbs when faced with one. > The Webasto is pretty simple. So are South Winds and Eberspachers. Most of these so caled "mechanics" are actually partschangers. Webastos are readily available but they are expensive new, so are the parts, but they are pretty reliable. |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Damn, you got me there.
Dave "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message news:55btlsF249lbiU1@mid.individual.net... > >and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a > > lot better engine braking. > > Not without throttle plates and/or a Jake brake > -- > Stupendous Man, > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Damn, you got me there.
Dave "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message news:55btlsF249lbiU1@mid.individual.net... > >and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a > > lot better engine braking. > > Not without throttle plates and/or a Jake brake > -- > Stupendous Man, > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Damn, you got me there.
Dave "Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message news:55btlsF249lbiU1@mid.individual.net... > >and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a > > lot better engine braking. > > Not without throttle plates and/or a Jake brake > -- > Stupendous Man, > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty > > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil
http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. Dave Milne, Scotland "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45f08bf1$0$16298$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > A diesel truck, and how do they get power? By pouring the cole oil to > it, because there is no throttle valve like a gasoline engine. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:eb840$45f083b6$422afc51$16553@FUSE.NET... > > Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil
http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. Dave Milne, Scotland "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45f08bf1$0$16298$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > A diesel truck, and how do they get power? By pouring the cole oil to > it, because there is no throttle valve like a gasoline engine. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:eb840$45f083b6$422afc51$16553@FUSE.NET... > > Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil
http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. Dave Milne, Scotland "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45f08bf1$0$16298$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > A diesel truck, and how do they get power? By pouring the cole oil to > it, because there is no throttle valve like a gasoline engine. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:eb840$45f083b6$422afc51$16553@FUSE.NET... > > Now Bill..... Isn't that truck pulling a weight sled? > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Don't understand the CO requirements -it appears to be wanting 8g/mi when
the I6 Wrangler is currently putting out 323 g/km or > 500 g/mi ??? Dave "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45ef50d4$0$16266$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards: > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters > required on all new diesels: > http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... > > I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm > > torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, > > nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas > > engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is > > almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the > > price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) > > > > Mike > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Don't understand the CO requirements -it appears to be wanting 8g/mi when
the I6 Wrangler is currently putting out 323 g/km or > 500 g/mi ??? Dave "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45ef50d4$0$16266$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards: > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters > required on all new diesels: > http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... > > I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm > > torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, > > nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas > > engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is > > almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the > > price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) > > > > Mike > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Don't understand the CO requirements -it appears to be wanting 8g/mi when
the I6 Wrangler is currently putting out 323 g/km or > 500 g/mi ??? Dave "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45ef50d4$0$16266$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > They still don't meet Kalifornia's clean air standards: > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld.php Even with the exhaust filters > required on all new diesels: > http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... > > I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm > > torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep, > > nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas > > engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is > > almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the > > price or something like that to clean it up... ;-) > > > > Mike > > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
"Remember to comply with the "no burning" days that are specified by the
Regional Air Quality Council (RAQC). RAQC identifies RED days on which the city?s air quality is poor and it is illegal to burn wood in conventional fireplaces." http://web.archive.org/web/200605292.../33archive.asp God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:LYGdnfR1ceLB523YnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. > > Earle > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > At least we can burn firewood to keep warm. > > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming > > down > > > into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is > different > > > down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a > > little > > > bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from > the > > > bus exhaust to clear his head. > > > > > > ;^) > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > > > news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > Hi Earle, > > > > You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the > > > > mountains, now. > > > > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > > > news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > > > > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how > "low" > > it > > > > is. > > > > > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the > > > > difference > > > > > between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like > > > with > > > > a > > > > > whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One > > > night > > > > in > > > > > the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from > L.A. > > > who > > > > > was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to > > call > > > > the > > > > > ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few > > > > > minutes. "There, that's better", he said. > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
"Remember to comply with the "no burning" days that are specified by the
Regional Air Quality Council (RAQC). RAQC identifies RED days on which the city?s air quality is poor and it is illegal to burn wood in conventional fireplaces." http://web.archive.org/web/200605292.../33archive.asp God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:LYGdnfR1ceLB523YnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. > > Earle > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > At least we can burn firewood to keep warm. > > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming > > down > > > into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is > different > > > down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a > > little > > > bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from > the > > > bus exhaust to clear his head. > > > > > > ;^) > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > > > news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > Hi Earle, > > > > You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the > > > > mountains, now. > > > > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > > > news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > > > > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how > "low" > > it > > > > is. > > > > > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the > > > > difference > > > > > between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like > > > with > > > > a > > > > > whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One > > > night > > > > in > > > > > the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from > L.A. > > > who > > > > > was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to > > call > > > > the > > > > > ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few > > > > > minutes. "There, that's better", he said. > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
"Remember to comply with the "no burning" days that are specified by the
Regional Air Quality Council (RAQC). RAQC identifies RED days on which the city?s air quality is poor and it is illegal to burn wood in conventional fireplaces." http://web.archive.org/web/200605292.../33archive.asp God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message news:LYGdnfR1ceLB523YnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing. > > Earle > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > At least we can burn firewood to keep warm. > > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming > > down > > > into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is > different > > > down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a > > little > > > bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from > the > > > bus exhaust to clear his head. > > > > > > ;^) > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > > > news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > > > > Hi Earle, > > > > You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the > > > > mountains, now. > > > > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > > > > > > > "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message > > > > news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. .. > > > > > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how > "low" > > it > > > > is. > > > > > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the > > > > difference > > > > > between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like > > > with > > > > a > > > > > whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One > > > night > > > > in > > > > > the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from > L.A. > > > who > > > > > was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to > > call > > > > the > > > > > ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few > > > > > minutes. "There, that's better", he said. > > > > > > > > > > Earle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Cole oil is slang for the bottom ends of petroleum. It and gasoline used
to be the useless byproducts of Kerosene. Poured in another slang for foot to the wood, pedal to the metal, or with diesel opening the rack mechanically or electronicaly. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message news:Q%iIh.85690$1E3.72932@fe3.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html > > and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. > > Dave Milne, Scotland -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Cole oil is slang for the bottom ends of petroleum. It and gasoline used
to be the useless byproducts of Kerosene. Poured in another slang for foot to the wood, pedal to the metal, or with diesel opening the rack mechanically or electronicaly. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message news:Q%iIh.85690$1E3.72932@fe3.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html > > and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. > > Dave Milne, Scotland -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Cole oil is slang for the bottom ends of petroleum. It and gasoline used
to be the useless byproducts of Kerosene. Poured in another slang for foot to the wood, pedal to the metal, or with diesel opening the rack mechanically or electronicaly. God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message news:Q%iIh.85690$1E3.72932@fe3.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html > > and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. > > Dave Milne, Scotland -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
ok, I got you :-)
Dave "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45f1feb1$0$16349$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > Cole oil is slang for the bottom ends of petroleum. It and gasoline used > to be the useless byproducts of Kerosene. Poured in another slang for foot > to the wood, pedal to the metal, or with diesel opening the rack > mechanically or electronicaly. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message > news:Q%iIh.85690$1E3.72932@fe3.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil > > > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html > > > > and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
ok, I got you :-)
Dave "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45f1feb1$0$16349$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > Cole oil is slang for the bottom ends of petroleum. It and gasoline used > to be the useless byproducts of Kerosene. Poured in another slang for foot > to the wood, pedal to the metal, or with diesel opening the rack > mechanically or electronicaly. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message > news:Q%iIh.85690$1E3.72932@fe3.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil > > > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html > > > > and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
ok, I got you :-)
Dave "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45f1feb1$0$16349$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. . > Cole oil is slang for the bottom ends of petroleum. It and gasoline used > to be the useless byproducts of Kerosene. Poured in another slang for foot > to the wood, pedal to the metal, or with diesel opening the rack > mechanically or electronicaly. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message > news:Q%iIh.85690$1E3.72932@fe3.news.blueyonder.co. uk... > > Not in the US - it is refined from crude oil > > > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...rices2006.html > > > > and it isn't poured in, it is pumped through injectors. > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland > > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > |
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