Need help installing new Speakers....
#1
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Need help installing new Speakers....
So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
just do not fit!
the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
(Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
at this point.
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
great... if you also need more info i can also provide
TIA
Kurt
some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
just do not fit!
the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
(Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
at this point.
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
great... if you also need more info i can also provide
TIA
Kurt
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Re: Need help installing new Speakers....
I used the grill and plastic ring that came with my speakers. The speaker
goes in first..then the ring, and the grill snaps in place over the top.
I couldn't use the factory grill.
Of course, the soundbar in my Jeep is actually a damn set of sound pods...
('03).
Billy
"Kurt Dorsey" <batlinsj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eece3086.0308281549.29e0c718@posting.google.c om...
> So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
> some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
> Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
> pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
> my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
> just do not fit!
> the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
> install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
> it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
> because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
> I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
> The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
> bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
> to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
> (Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
> at this point.
> http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
>
> So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
> concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
> installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
> great... if you also need more info i can also provide
>
>
>
>
> TIA
> Kurt
goes in first..then the ring, and the grill snaps in place over the top.
I couldn't use the factory grill.
Of course, the soundbar in my Jeep is actually a damn set of sound pods...
('03).
Billy
"Kurt Dorsey" <batlinsj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eece3086.0308281549.29e0c718@posting.google.c om...
> So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
> some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
> Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
> pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
> my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
> just do not fit!
> the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
> install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
> it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
> because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
> I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
> The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
> bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
> to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
> (Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
> at this point.
> http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
>
> So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
> concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
> installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
> great... if you also need more info i can also provide
>
>
>
>
> TIA
> Kurt
#3
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Re: Need help installing new Speakers....
I used the grill and plastic ring that came with my speakers. The speaker
goes in first..then the ring, and the grill snaps in place over the top.
I couldn't use the factory grill.
Of course, the soundbar in my Jeep is actually a damn set of sound pods...
('03).
Billy
"Kurt Dorsey" <batlinsj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eece3086.0308281549.29e0c718@posting.google.c om...
> So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
> some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
> Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
> pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
> my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
> just do not fit!
> the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
> install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
> it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
> because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
> I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
> The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
> bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
> to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
> (Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
> at this point.
> http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
>
> So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
> concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
> installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
> great... if you also need more info i can also provide
>
>
>
>
> TIA
> Kurt
goes in first..then the ring, and the grill snaps in place over the top.
I couldn't use the factory grill.
Of course, the soundbar in my Jeep is actually a damn set of sound pods...
('03).
Billy
"Kurt Dorsey" <batlinsj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eece3086.0308281549.29e0c718@posting.google.c om...
> So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
> some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
> Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
> pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
> my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
> just do not fit!
> the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
> install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
> it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
> because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
> I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
> The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
> bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
> to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
> (Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
> at this point.
> http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
>
> So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
> concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
> installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
> great... if you also need more info i can also provide
>
>
>
>
> TIA
> Kurt
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Re: Need help installing new Speakers....
I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are a
little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod, and
they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
sets..
Billy
"Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
news:t7x4b.142513$2x.40625@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> Billy, I prefer the "pods" to the bar (I have an '03 as well). What don't
> you like about them?
> td
>
> "Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:efL3b.256$EW1.196@newsread1.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> > I used the grill and plastic ring that came with my speakers. The
speaker
> > goes in first..then the ring, and the grill snaps in place over the top.
> >
> > I couldn't use the factory grill.
> >
> > Of course, the soundbar in my Jeep is actually a damn set of sound
pods...
> > ('03).
> >
> >
> > Billy
> >
> > "Kurt Dorsey" <batlinsj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:eece3086.0308281549.29e0c718@posting.google.c om...
> > > So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
> > > some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
> > > Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
> > > pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
> > > my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
> > > just do not fit!
> > > the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
> > > install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
> > > it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
> > > because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
> > > I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
> > > The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
> > > bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
> > > to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
> > > (Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
> > > at this point.
> > > http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
> > >
> > > So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
> > > concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
> > > installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
> > > great... if you also need more info i can also provide
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Kurt
> >
> >
>
>
little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod, and
they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
sets..
Billy
"Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
news:t7x4b.142513$2x.40625@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> Billy, I prefer the "pods" to the bar (I have an '03 as well). What don't
> you like about them?
> td
>
> "Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:efL3b.256$EW1.196@newsread1.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> > I used the grill and plastic ring that came with my speakers. The
speaker
> > goes in first..then the ring, and the grill snaps in place over the top.
> >
> > I couldn't use the factory grill.
> >
> > Of course, the soundbar in my Jeep is actually a damn set of sound
pods...
> > ('03).
> >
> >
> > Billy
> >
> > "Kurt Dorsey" <batlinsj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:eece3086.0308281549.29e0c718@posting.google.c om...
> > > So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
> > > some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
> > > Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
> > > pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
> > > my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
> > > just do not fit!
> > > the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
> > > install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
> > > it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
> > > because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
> > > I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
> > > The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
> > > bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
> > > to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
> > > (Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
> > > at this point.
> > > http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
> > >
> > > So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
> > > concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
> > > installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
> > > great... if you also need more info i can also provide
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Kurt
> >
> >
>
>
#5
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Re: Need help installing new Speakers....
I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are a
little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod, and
they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
sets..
Billy
"Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
news:t7x4b.142513$2x.40625@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> Billy, I prefer the "pods" to the bar (I have an '03 as well). What don't
> you like about them?
> td
>
> "Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:efL3b.256$EW1.196@newsread1.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> > I used the grill and plastic ring that came with my speakers. The
speaker
> > goes in first..then the ring, and the grill snaps in place over the top.
> >
> > I couldn't use the factory grill.
> >
> > Of course, the soundbar in my Jeep is actually a damn set of sound
pods...
> > ('03).
> >
> >
> > Billy
> >
> > "Kurt Dorsey" <batlinsj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:eece3086.0308281549.29e0c718@posting.google.c om...
> > > So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
> > > some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
> > > Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
> > > pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
> > > my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
> > > just do not fit!
> > > the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
> > > install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
> > > it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
> > > because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
> > > I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
> > > The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
> > > bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
> > > to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
> > > (Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
> > > at this point.
> > > http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
> > >
> > > So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
> > > concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
> > > installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
> > > great... if you also need more info i can also provide
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Kurt
> >
> >
>
>
little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod, and
they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
sets..
Billy
"Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
news:t7x4b.142513$2x.40625@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
> Billy, I prefer the "pods" to the bar (I have an '03 as well). What don't
> you like about them?
> td
>
> "Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:efL3b.256$EW1.196@newsread1.news.atl.earthlin k.net...
> > I used the grill and plastic ring that came with my speakers. The
speaker
> > goes in first..then the ring, and the grill snaps in place over the top.
> >
> > I couldn't use the factory grill.
> >
> > Of course, the soundbar in my Jeep is actually a damn set of sound
pods...
> > ('03).
> >
> >
> > Billy
> >
> > "Kurt Dorsey" <batlinsj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:eece3086.0308281549.29e0c718@posting.google.c om...
> > > So, after reading up on the newsgroup i went out and bought my self
> > > some infinity Kappa 62.5i speakers for my sound bar in my 01' TJ.
> > > Everyone said they installed in 15 min... Well... I consider my self
> > > pretty good and putting things together, i mean, i was able to install
> > > my lift my self.. so this should be no prob right? WRONG! the speakers
> > > just do not fit!
> > > the Kappa 62.5i is the same as the 62.3i but this years model.. the
> > > install instructions are the same, the dimensions are the same (except
> > > it is 2/16 deeper) but I know it isn't the depth that is killing me
> > > because I can install them I just cant install them with the grill...
> > > I have included a link to the parts inside the box...
> > > The holes absolutely do not match up on the Speakers and the sound
> > > bar.. there is a ring in the box that the holes match up to connect it
> > > to the sound bar, and then the holes on the speaker match up...
> > > (Ring.jpg) so this does work, but there is no way to install the grill
> > > at this point.
> > > http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/batlin27@sbcglobal.net
> > >
> > > So, the speakers fit, it is just the grill does not.. and that is my
> > > concern.. can anyone give some insight? I know people on here have
> > > installed them in the past, so if you could help that would be
> > > great... if you also need more info i can also provide
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Kurt
> >
> >
>
>
#6
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Re: Need help installing new Speakers....
Billy Tolcher wrote:
> I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are a
> little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
> speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod, and
> they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
> sets..
Try this one.
Take a pair of pantyhose
Get some pillow stuffing (polyfill)
Cut the legs off the hose and stuff each leg with a good
amount of polyfill.
Use a gluegun to stick these pillows inside the speaker pod
making sure they don't touch the speaker.
That will give you a much lower end by making the box appear
larger than it actually is.
--
DougW
> I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are a
> little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
> speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod, and
> they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
> sets..
Try this one.
Take a pair of pantyhose
Get some pillow stuffing (polyfill)
Cut the legs off the hose and stuff each leg with a good
amount of polyfill.
Use a gluegun to stick these pillows inside the speaker pod
making sure they don't touch the speaker.
That will give you a much lower end by making the box appear
larger than it actually is.
--
DougW
#7
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Re: Need help installing new Speakers....
Billy Tolcher wrote:
> I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are a
> little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
> speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod, and
> they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
> sets..
Try this one.
Take a pair of pantyhose
Get some pillow stuffing (polyfill)
Cut the legs off the hose and stuff each leg with a good
amount of polyfill.
Use a gluegun to stick these pillows inside the speaker pod
making sure they don't touch the speaker.
That will give you a much lower end by making the box appear
larger than it actually is.
--
DougW
> I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are a
> little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
> speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod, and
> they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
> sets..
Try this one.
Take a pair of pantyhose
Get some pillow stuffing (polyfill)
Cut the legs off the hose and stuff each leg with a good
amount of polyfill.
Use a gluegun to stick these pillows inside the speaker pod
making sure they don't touch the speaker.
That will give you a much lower end by making the box appear
larger than it actually is.
--
DougW
#8
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Re: Need help installing new Speakers....
Doug... I'm not buying pantyhose.
:)
haha.
Billy
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:ygS4b.116150$Ij4.5213@news2.central.***.net.. .
> Billy Tolcher wrote:
> > I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are
a
> > little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
> > speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod,
and
> > they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
> > sets..
>
> Try this one.
>
> Take a pair of pantyhose
> Get some pillow stuffing (polyfill)
> Cut the legs off the hose and stuff each leg with a good
> amount of polyfill.
>
> Use a gluegun to stick these pillows inside the speaker pod
> making sure they don't touch the speaker.
>
> That will give you a much lower end by making the box appear
> larger than it actually is.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
:)
haha.
Billy
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:ygS4b.116150$Ij4.5213@news2.central.***.net.. .
> Billy Tolcher wrote:
> > I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are
a
> > little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
> > speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod,
and
> > they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
> > sets..
>
> Try this one.
>
> Take a pair of pantyhose
> Get some pillow stuffing (polyfill)
> Cut the legs off the hose and stuff each leg with a good
> amount of polyfill.
>
> Use a gluegun to stick these pillows inside the speaker pod
> making sure they don't touch the speaker.
>
> That will give you a much lower end by making the box appear
> larger than it actually is.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
#9
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Re: Need help installing new Speakers....
Doug... I'm not buying pantyhose.
:)
haha.
Billy
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:ygS4b.116150$Ij4.5213@news2.central.***.net.. .
> Billy Tolcher wrote:
> > I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are
a
> > little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
> > speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod,
and
> > they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
> > sets..
>
> Try this one.
>
> Take a pair of pantyhose
> Get some pillow stuffing (polyfill)
> Cut the legs off the hose and stuff each leg with a good
> amount of polyfill.
>
> Use a gluegun to stick these pillows inside the speaker pod
> making sure they don't touch the speaker.
>
> That will give you a much lower end by making the box appear
> larger than it actually is.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
:)
haha.
Billy
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:ygS4b.116150$Ij4.5213@news2.central.***.net.. .
> Billy Tolcher wrote:
> > I don't have anything to compare them too,.. actually. I think they are
a
> > little 'cheap'. They sounded like bongo drums when I first upgraded the
> > speakers. The remedy: I dropped a sqaure sheet of dynamat in each pod,
and
> > they sound 100% better... The sheets come prepackaged as 'qty 2 door'
> > sets..
>
> Try this one.
>
> Take a pair of pantyhose
> Get some pillow stuffing (polyfill)
> Cut the legs off the hose and stuff each leg with a good
> amount of polyfill.
>
> Use a gluegun to stick these pillows inside the speaker pod
> making sure they don't touch the speaker.
>
> That will give you a much lower end by making the box appear
> larger than it actually is.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
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