Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
#71
Guest
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >
> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >Chinese.
> >> >Liberal much?
> >>
> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >
> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
it
> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>
> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> by trade with China.
>
> American soybeans:
> http://www.asasoya.org/
>
> China's soybean imports:
> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>
> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> and our exports are growing with it.
>
> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>
> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>
> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>
> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >
> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >Chinese.
> >> >Liberal much?
> >>
> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >
> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
it
> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>
> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> by trade with China.
>
> American soybeans:
> http://www.asasoya.org/
>
> China's soybean imports:
> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>
> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> and our exports are growing with it.
>
> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>
> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>
> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>
> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
#72
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >
> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >Chinese.
> >> >Liberal much?
> >>
> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >
> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
it
> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>
> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> by trade with China.
>
> American soybeans:
> http://www.asasoya.org/
>
> China's soybean imports:
> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>
> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> and our exports are growing with it.
>
> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>
> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>
> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>
> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >
> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >Chinese.
> >> >Liberal much?
> >>
> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >
> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
it
> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>
> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> by trade with China.
>
> American soybeans:
> http://www.asasoya.org/
>
> China's soybean imports:
> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>
> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> and our exports are growing with it.
>
> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>
> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>
> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>
> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
#73
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >
> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >Chinese.
> >> >Liberal much?
> >>
> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >
> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
it
> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>
> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> by trade with China.
>
> American soybeans:
> http://www.asasoya.org/
>
> China's soybean imports:
> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>
> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> and our exports are growing with it.
>
> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>
> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>
> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>
> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >
> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >Chinese.
> >> >Liberal much?
> >>
> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >
> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
it
> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>
> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> by trade with China.
>
> American soybeans:
> http://www.asasoya.org/
>
> China's soybean imports:
> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>
> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> and our exports are growing with it.
>
> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>
> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>
> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>
> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
#74
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
>1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
>our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
>"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
>> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
>> >> >
>> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
>> >Chinese.
>> >> >Liberal much?
>> >>
>> >> Two more false assumptions.
>> >
>> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
>it
>> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>>
>> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
>> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
>> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
>> by trade with China.
>>
>> American soybeans:
>> http://www.asasoya.org/
>>
>> China's soybean imports:
>> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>>
>> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
>> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
>> and our exports are growing with it.
>>
>> US/Chinese import/export numbers
>> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>>
>> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
>> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>>
>> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
>> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
>> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>>
>> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
>> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
>
#75
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
>1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
>our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
>"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
>> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
>> >> >
>> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
>> >Chinese.
>> >> >Liberal much?
>> >>
>> >> Two more false assumptions.
>> >
>> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
>it
>> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>>
>> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
>> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
>> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
>> by trade with China.
>>
>> American soybeans:
>> http://www.asasoya.org/
>>
>> China's soybean imports:
>> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>>
>> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
>> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
>> and our exports are growing with it.
>>
>> US/Chinese import/export numbers
>> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>>
>> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
>> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>>
>> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
>> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
>> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>>
>> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
>> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
>
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
>1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
>our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
>"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
>> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
>> >> >
>> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
>> >Chinese.
>> >> >Liberal much?
>> >>
>> >> Two more false assumptions.
>> >
>> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
>it
>> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>>
>> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
>> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
>> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
>> by trade with China.
>>
>> American soybeans:
>> http://www.asasoya.org/
>>
>> China's soybean imports:
>> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>>
>> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
>> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
>> and our exports are growing with it.
>>
>> US/Chinese import/export numbers
>> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>>
>> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
>> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>>
>> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
>> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
>> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>>
>> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
>> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
>
#77
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
>1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to pay
>our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
>"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
>> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
>> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
>> >> >
>> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
>> >Chinese.
>> >> >Liberal much?
>> >>
>> >> Two more false assumptions.
>> >
>> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to beat
>it
>> >out of you. Have a nice day.
>>
>> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
>> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
>> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
>> by trade with China.
>>
>> American soybeans:
>> http://www.asasoya.org/
>>
>> China's soybean imports:
>> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
>>
>> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
>> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
>> and our exports are growing with it.
>>
>> US/Chinese import/export numbers
>> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
>>
>> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
>> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
>>
>> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
>> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
>> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
>>
>> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
>> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
>
#78
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
If you are talking about a flat tax with no exemptions, then I am on board
with you. Where do I sign up? 10% beats the hell out of the 50% that I
currently pay. I wish I could get my hands on the bastards that keep
writing these fat checks out at my expense.
I don't mean to come off as cynical, Matt, but apparently I do. I must just
have a ----ed up writing sense.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4jjca0tjrqkdhgr7tsivgiei5tgd0t4ka2@4ax.com...
>
> They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
> income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
> division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
>
> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
> <fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>
> >US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
> >1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to
pay
> >our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<leaveme@lone.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >> >Chinese.
> >> >> >Liberal much?
> >> >>
> >> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >> >
> >> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to
beat
> >it
> >> >out of you. Have a nice day.
> >>
> >> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> >> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> >> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> >> by trade with China.
> >>
> >> American soybeans:
> >> http://www.asasoya.org/
> >>
> >> China's soybean imports:
> >> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
> >>
> >> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> >> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> >> and our exports are growing with it.
> >>
> >> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> >> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
> >>
> >> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> >> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
> >>
> >> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> >> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> >> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
> >>
> >> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> >> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
> >
>
with you. Where do I sign up? 10% beats the hell out of the 50% that I
currently pay. I wish I could get my hands on the bastards that keep
writing these fat checks out at my expense.
I don't mean to come off as cynical, Matt, but apparently I do. I must just
have a ----ed up writing sense.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4jjca0tjrqkdhgr7tsivgiei5tgd0t4ka2@4ax.com...
>
> They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
> income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
> division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
>
> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
> <fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>
> >US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
> >1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to
pay
> >our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<leaveme@lone.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >> >Chinese.
> >> >> >Liberal much?
> >> >>
> >> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >> >
> >> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to
beat
> >it
> >> >out of you. Have a nice day.
> >>
> >> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> >> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> >> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> >> by trade with China.
> >>
> >> American soybeans:
> >> http://www.asasoya.org/
> >>
> >> China's soybean imports:
> >> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
> >>
> >> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> >> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> >> and our exports are growing with it.
> >>
> >> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> >> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
> >>
> >> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> >> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
> >>
> >> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> >> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> >> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
> >>
> >> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> >> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
> >
>
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
If you are talking about a flat tax with no exemptions, then I am on board
with you. Where do I sign up? 10% beats the hell out of the 50% that I
currently pay. I wish I could get my hands on the bastards that keep
writing these fat checks out at my expense.
I don't mean to come off as cynical, Matt, but apparently I do. I must just
have a ----ed up writing sense.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4jjca0tjrqkdhgr7tsivgiei5tgd0t4ka2@4ax.com...
>
> They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
> income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
> division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
>
> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
> <fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>
> >US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
> >1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to
pay
> >our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<leaveme@lone.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >> >Chinese.
> >> >> >Liberal much?
> >> >>
> >> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >> >
> >> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to
beat
> >it
> >> >out of you. Have a nice day.
> >>
> >> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> >> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> >> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> >> by trade with China.
> >>
> >> American soybeans:
> >> http://www.asasoya.org/
> >>
> >> China's soybean imports:
> >> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
> >>
> >> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> >> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> >> and our exports are growing with it.
> >>
> >> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> >> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
> >>
> >> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> >> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
> >>
> >> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> >> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> >> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
> >>
> >> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> >> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
> >
>
with you. Where do I sign up? 10% beats the hell out of the 50% that I
currently pay. I wish I could get my hands on the bastards that keep
writing these fat checks out at my expense.
I don't mean to come off as cynical, Matt, but apparently I do. I must just
have a ----ed up writing sense.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4jjca0tjrqkdhgr7tsivgiei5tgd0t4ka2@4ax.com...
>
> They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
> income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
> division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
>
> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
> <fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>
> >US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
> >1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to
pay
> >our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<leaveme@lone.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >> >Chinese.
> >> >> >Liberal much?
> >> >>
> >> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >> >
> >> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to
beat
> >it
> >> >out of you. Have a nice day.
> >>
> >> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> >> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> >> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> >> by trade with China.
> >>
> >> American soybeans:
> >> http://www.asasoya.org/
> >>
> >> China's soybean imports:
> >> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
> >>
> >> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> >> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> >> and our exports are growing with it.
> >>
> >> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> >> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
> >>
> >> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> >> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
> >>
> >> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> >> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> >> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
> >>
> >> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> >> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
> >
>
#80
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
If you are talking about a flat tax with no exemptions, then I am on board
with you. Where do I sign up? 10% beats the hell out of the 50% that I
currently pay. I wish I could get my hands on the bastards that keep
writing these fat checks out at my expense.
I don't mean to come off as cynical, Matt, but apparently I do. I must just
have a ----ed up writing sense.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4jjca0tjrqkdhgr7tsivgiei5tgd0t4ka2@4ax.com...
>
> They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
> income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
> division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
>
> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
> <fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>
> >US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
> >1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to
pay
> >our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<leaveme@lone.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >> >Chinese.
> >> >> >Liberal much?
> >> >>
> >> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >> >
> >> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to
beat
> >it
> >> >out of you. Have a nice day.
> >>
> >> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> >> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> >> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> >> by trade with China.
> >>
> >> American soybeans:
> >> http://www.asasoya.org/
> >>
> >> China's soybean imports:
> >> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
> >>
> >> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> >> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> >> and our exports are growing with it.
> >>
> >> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> >> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
> >>
> >> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> >> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
> >>
> >> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> >> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> >> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
> >>
> >> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> >> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
> >
>
with you. Where do I sign up? 10% beats the hell out of the 50% that I
currently pay. I wish I could get my hands on the bastards that keep
writing these fat checks out at my expense.
I don't mean to come off as cynical, Matt, but apparently I do. I must just
have a ----ed up writing sense.
Jerry
"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4jjca0tjrqkdhgr7tsivgiei5tgd0t4ka2@4ax.com...
>
> They don't need to, they just do. Personally, I think a 10% individual
> income tax, split between the state and feds (let them fight out the
> division), would eliminate most of this favoritism.
>
> On Sat, 15 May 2004 12:56:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
> <fig@mcttelecom.com> wrote:
>
> >US subsidies to soybean farmers equal $11,000,000,000 (yes, billion) from
> >1995-2002. Source: USDA. Maybe you can explain to me why I need to
pay
> >our farmers to grow soybeans to sell to China.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:5o5ba0dauvcecuevht3oqt9ir5fq6ri5ri@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 14 May 2004 21:46:19 -0400, "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:facaa0tc1g42t0ejf89hgtg9og6vsj477m@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> On Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:01 -0400, "Jerry Newton"
<leaveme@lone.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Matt Osborn" <msosborn@spam_trap@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:4bd8a01l2e8540ucikuqti8ruljvf99lia@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> >> You seem to be convinced that we can't do both.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You seem to have the opinion that it is my job to give money to the
> >> >Chinese.
> >> >> >Liberal much?
> >> >>
> >> >> Two more false assumptions.
> >> >
> >> >Well, if you aren't going to state your opinion, I am not going to
beat
> >it
> >> >out of you. Have a nice day.
> >>
> >> I thought you'd never ask. Roughly 28% of American farm land is
> >> planted in soybeans. The Chinese are the largest importer of American
> >> soybeans (286 million bushels in 2004). Those farmers certainly gain
> >> by trade with China.
> >>
> >> American soybeans:
> >> http://www.asasoya.org/
> >>
> >> China's soybean imports:
> >> http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/news...-China-Strong/
> >>
> >> US is the second largest exporter to China behind only Japan. We do
> >> import more from China than we sell, but the Chinese market is growing
> >> and our exports are growing with it.
> >>
> >> US/Chinese import/export numbers
> >> http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
> >>
> >> Not all Americans can afford the cost of US made products, especially
> >> if they are no better than cheaper Chinese imports.
> >>
> >> Free trade generates more jobs for the US than it loses. They are
> >> different jobs, more of them are in the service sector than in
> >> manufacturing, but they pay better and are more interesting.
> >>
> >> We can close our borders to free trade, but we will lose the jobs
> >> anyway and will end up paying more for the goods we manufacture here.
> >
>