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Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com... > Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system > is nothing short of stupid. thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either application. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12
"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > just isnt very cold. you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. .....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but in this case i will. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12
"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > just isnt very cold. you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. .....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but in this case i will. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12
"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > just isnt very cold. you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. .....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but in this case i will. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12
"abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > just isnt very cold. you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. .....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but in this case i will. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
> I was aware of how good propane is and how explosive thanks, hence my > comment. > > The 'big' issue is that a 'very' 'very' common leak for AC systems in > Jeeps is in the unit under the dash so the cab of the vehicle will fill up > with the flammable gas. Light a cigarette or set of a static spark or > spark with the door light switch even and you would be BBQ ed. > > Have a small leak see a static spark or a switch spark or even a radio > spark and you have a blow torch going under your dash! > > That Snojob fool gives me crap abut perfectly legal and 'normal' things > and yet advocates breaking the law and using explosives in a Jeep. > > Mike > Mike, I agree completely. I was just passing on something that I saw in the past. I wasn't trying to insult you or your experience, just relaying and experience I had. I don't condone propane as a viable replacement either, except for Snojob. Later, Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
> I was aware of how good propane is and how explosive thanks, hence my > comment. > > The 'big' issue is that a 'very' 'very' common leak for AC systems in > Jeeps is in the unit under the dash so the cab of the vehicle will fill up > with the flammable gas. Light a cigarette or set of a static spark or > spark with the door light switch even and you would be BBQ ed. > > Have a small leak see a static spark or a switch spark or even a radio > spark and you have a blow torch going under your dash! > > That Snojob fool gives me crap abut perfectly legal and 'normal' things > and yet advocates breaking the law and using explosives in a Jeep. > > Mike > Mike, I agree completely. I was just passing on something that I saw in the past. I wasn't trying to insult you or your experience, just relaying and experience I had. I don't condone propane as a viable replacement either, except for Snojob. Later, Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
> I was aware of how good propane is and how explosive thanks, hence my > comment. > > The 'big' issue is that a 'very' 'very' common leak for AC systems in > Jeeps is in the unit under the dash so the cab of the vehicle will fill up > with the flammable gas. Light a cigarette or set of a static spark or > spark with the door light switch even and you would be BBQ ed. > > Have a small leak see a static spark or a switch spark or even a radio > spark and you have a blow torch going under your dash! > > That Snojob fool gives me crap abut perfectly legal and 'normal' things > and yet advocates breaking the law and using explosives in a Jeep. > > Mike > Mike, I agree completely. I was just passing on something that I saw in the past. I wasn't trying to insult you or your experience, just relaying and experience I had. I don't condone propane as a viable replacement either, except for Snojob. Later, Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
> I was aware of how good propane is and how explosive thanks, hence my > comment. > > The 'big' issue is that a 'very' 'very' common leak for AC systems in > Jeeps is in the unit under the dash so the cab of the vehicle will fill up > with the flammable gas. Light a cigarette or set of a static spark or > spark with the door light switch even and you would be BBQ ed. > > Have a small leak see a static spark or a switch spark or even a radio > spark and you have a blow torch going under your dash! > > That Snojob fool gives me crap abut perfectly legal and 'normal' things > and yet advocates breaking the law and using explosives in a Jeep. > > Mike > Mike, I agree completely. I was just passing on something that I saw in the past. I wasn't trying to insult you or your experience, just relaying and experience I had. I don't condone propane as a viable replacement either, except for Snojob. Later, Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com... > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. > > the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient > refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it > in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing > refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible > is foolish at best. > > -- > Nathan In Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Talk.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://HiPowerTalk.com > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C class back in 1987. Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative class. I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. By the way, when you coming back home? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com... > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. > > the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient > refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it > in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing > refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible > is foolish at best. > > -- > Nathan In Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Talk.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://HiPowerTalk.com > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C class back in 1987. Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative class. I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. By the way, when you coming back home? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com... > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. > > the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient > refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it > in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing > refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible > is foolish at best. > > -- > Nathan In Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Talk.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://HiPowerTalk.com > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C class back in 1987. Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative class. I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. By the way, when you coming back home? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com... > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. > > the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient > refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it > in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing > refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible > is foolish at best. > > -- > Nathan In Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Talk.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://HiPowerTalk.com > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C class back in 1987. Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative class. I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. By the way, when you coming back home? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12
> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible > refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either > application. Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com says... > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > > just isnt very cold. > > you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so cheap. > convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy > conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly > well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as well. Repost of something I wrote a few days ago: ------------------ The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it. I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost of real service and repair up. A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf ------------------ Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system. > dont worry about the loss of > efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and > the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. > > ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but > in this case i will. And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any recovery equipment... |
Re: I need R-12
> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible > refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either > application. Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com says... > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > > just isnt very cold. > > you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so cheap. > convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy > conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly > well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as well. Repost of something I wrote a few days ago: ------------------ The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it. I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost of real service and repair up. A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf ------------------ Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system. > dont worry about the loss of > efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and > the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. > > ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but > in this case i will. And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any recovery equipment... |
Re: I need R-12
> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible > refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either > application. Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com says... > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > > just isnt very cold. > > you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so cheap. > convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy > conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly > well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as well. Repost of something I wrote a few days ago: ------------------ The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it. I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost of real service and repair up. A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf ------------------ Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system. > dont worry about the loss of > efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and > the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. > > ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but > in this case i will. And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any recovery equipment... |
Re: I need R-12
> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible > refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either > application. Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com says... > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > > just isnt very cold. > > you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so cheap. > convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy > conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly > well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as well. Repost of something I wrote a few days ago: ------------------ The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it. I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost of real service and repair up. A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf ------------------ Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system. > dont worry about the loss of > efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and > the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. > > ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but > in this case i will. And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any recovery equipment... |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com... > In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says... >> >> > >> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane? >> > >> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place! >> > >> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights >> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC? >> > >> >> Mike, >> Just a little tidbit of info. >> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C >> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants. >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. >> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already >> pressurized >> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous >> environment. > > Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger > cabin? > > Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing? > > Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a > evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin? > > Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger > cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c > system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand. > Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger > anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service > the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade. > Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system > is nothing short of stupid. > Were you replying to me? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com... > In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says... >> >> > >> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane? >> > >> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place! >> > >> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights >> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC? >> > >> >> Mike, >> Just a little tidbit of info. >> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C >> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants. >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. >> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already >> pressurized >> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous >> environment. > > Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger > cabin? > > Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing? > > Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a > evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin? > > Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger > cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c > system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand. > Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger > anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service > the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade. > Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system > is nothing short of stupid. > Were you replying to me? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com... > In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says... >> >> > >> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane? >> > >> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place! >> > >> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights >> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC? >> > >> >> Mike, >> Just a little tidbit of info. >> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C >> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants. >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. >> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already >> pressurized >> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous >> environment. > > Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger > cabin? > > Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing? > > Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a > evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin? > > Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger > cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c > system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand. > Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger > anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service > the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade. > Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system > is nothing short of stupid. > Were you replying to me? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com... > In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says... >> >> > >> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane? >> > >> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place! >> > >> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights >> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC? >> > >> >> Mike, >> Just a little tidbit of info. >> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C >> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants. >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. >> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already >> pressurized >> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous >> environment. > > Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger > cabin? > > Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing? > > Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a > evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin? > > Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger > cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c > system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand. > Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger > anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service > the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade. > Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system > is nothing short of stupid. > Were you replying to me? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
twaldron <twaldron@OBVIOUSaol.com> wrote:
> I don't know why you're in such a tizzie over this. I use > plutonium in my a/c and it works great. As a side benefit, I can > easily find my Jeep in any parking lot at night. It's kind of a > pretty greenish glow. Added benefit, you can read in bed w/o a light. Added drawback, your wife complains your glow keeps her awake. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
twaldron <twaldron@OBVIOUSaol.com> wrote:
> I don't know why you're in such a tizzie over this. I use > plutonium in my a/c and it works great. As a side benefit, I can > easily find my Jeep in any parking lot at night. It's kind of a > pretty greenish glow. Added benefit, you can read in bed w/o a light. Added drawback, your wife complains your glow keeps her awake. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
twaldron <twaldron@OBVIOUSaol.com> wrote:
> I don't know why you're in such a tizzie over this. I use > plutonium in my a/c and it works great. As a side benefit, I can > easily find my Jeep in any parking lot at night. It's kind of a > pretty greenish glow. Added benefit, you can read in bed w/o a light. Added drawback, your wife complains your glow keeps her awake. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
twaldron <twaldron@OBVIOUSaol.com> wrote:
> I don't know why you're in such a tizzie over this. I use > plutonium in my a/c and it works great. As a side benefit, I can > easily find my Jeep in any parking lot at night. It's kind of a > pretty greenish glow. Added benefit, you can read in bed w/o a light. Added drawback, your wife complains your glow keeps her awake. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:466054a3$0$1346$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate understood. i wasnt criticizing you at all, just adding to the conversation. > I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. trouble with 22 is the pressure required to get it above freezing. the higher pressures required overload compressors designed for 12. in what concentrations were you mixing it? i know its common in particular blends, i just dont like it. > By the way, when you coming back home? to NC? quite possibly next month. i purchased a second home on wheels ( http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=12658 raptor 3612) and start travelling around the middle or end of june. im not yet sure where im going, i just want to get away and travel some. whats going on? -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:466054a3$0$1346$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate understood. i wasnt criticizing you at all, just adding to the conversation. > I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. trouble with 22 is the pressure required to get it above freezing. the higher pressures required overload compressors designed for 12. in what concentrations were you mixing it? i know its common in particular blends, i just dont like it. > By the way, when you coming back home? to NC? quite possibly next month. i purchased a second home on wheels ( http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=12658 raptor 3612) and start travelling around the middle or end of june. im not yet sure where im going, i just want to get away and travel some. whats going on? -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:466054a3$0$1346$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate understood. i wasnt criticizing you at all, just adding to the conversation. > I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. trouble with 22 is the pressure required to get it above freezing. the higher pressures required overload compressors designed for 12. in what concentrations were you mixing it? i know its common in particular blends, i just dont like it. > By the way, when you coming back home? to NC? quite possibly next month. i purchased a second home on wheels ( http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=12658 raptor 3612) and start travelling around the middle or end of june. im not yet sure where im going, i just want to get away and travel some. whats going on? -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:466054a3$0$1346$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate understood. i wasnt criticizing you at all, just adding to the conversation. > I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. trouble with 22 is the pressure required to get it above freezing. the higher pressures required overload compressors designed for 12. in what concentrations were you mixing it? i know its common in particular blends, i just dont like it. > By the way, when you coming back home? to NC? quite possibly next month. i purchased a second home on wheels ( http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=12658 raptor 3612) and start travelling around the middle or end of june. im not yet sure where im going, i just want to get away and travel some. whats going on? -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Re: I need R-12
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ca238ccc8591b0989693@news-server.woh.rr.com... >> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this >> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible >> refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in >> either >> application. > > Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service > it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when > the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. not really the point in my response. i was simply making the point that there _are_ alternatives that arent "stupid" at all and in fact will offer better cooling than either while coming in much cheaper than 12. r414b is a beautiful refrigerant that i purchase for well below $200 for 30#. r416a (while not intended for use in automotive applications) is another one that works great. the only reason 134a is so common is because it became the standard before others existed and it too will be phased out. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: I need R-12
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ca238ccc8591b0989693@news-server.woh.rr.com... >> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this >> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible >> refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in >> either >> application. > > Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service > it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when > the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. not really the point in my response. i was simply making the point that there _are_ alternatives that arent "stupid" at all and in fact will offer better cooling than either while coming in much cheaper than 12. r414b is a beautiful refrigerant that i purchase for well below $200 for 30#. r416a (while not intended for use in automotive applications) is another one that works great. the only reason 134a is so common is because it became the standard before others existed and it too will be phased out. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: I need R-12
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ca238ccc8591b0989693@news-server.woh.rr.com... >> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this >> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible >> refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in >> either >> application. > > Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service > it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when > the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. not really the point in my response. i was simply making the point that there _are_ alternatives that arent "stupid" at all and in fact will offer better cooling than either while coming in much cheaper than 12. r414b is a beautiful refrigerant that i purchase for well below $200 for 30#. r416a (while not intended for use in automotive applications) is another one that works great. the only reason 134a is so common is because it became the standard before others existed and it too will be phased out. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: I need R-12
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20ca238ccc8591b0989693@news-server.woh.rr.com... >> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this >> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible >> refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in >> either >> application. > > Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service > it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when > the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. not really the point in my response. i was simply making the point that there _are_ alternatives that arent "stupid" at all and in fact will offer better cooling than either while coming in much cheaper than 12. r414b is a beautiful refrigerant that i purchase for well below $200 for 30#. r416a (while not intended for use in automotive applications) is another one that works great. the only reason 134a is so common is because it became the standard before others existed and it too will be phased out. -- Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com http://1911Talk.com http://HiPowerTalk.com http://GlockCarry.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: I need R-12
On May 31, 10:00 pm, "abomb69" <a...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Anyone know were I can get R-12 Freon ? I want to recharge my 93 Cherokee > and I dont want to retrofit it. Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning. Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist! Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/ Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it. |
Re: I need R-12
On May 31, 10:00 pm, "abomb69" <a...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Anyone know were I can get R-12 Freon ? I want to recharge my 93 Cherokee > and I dont want to retrofit it. Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning. Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist! Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/ Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it. |
Re: I need R-12
On May 31, 10:00 pm, "abomb69" <a...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Anyone know were I can get R-12 Freon ? I want to recharge my 93 Cherokee > and I dont want to retrofit it. Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning. Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist! Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/ Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it. |
Re: I need R-12
On May 31, 10:00 pm, "abomb69" <a...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Anyone know were I can get R-12 Freon ? I want to recharge my 93 Cherokee > and I dont want to retrofit it. Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning. Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist! Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/ Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it. |
Re: I need R-12
nrs wrote:
> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning. > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist! > > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/ > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it. There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are alternatives that are less destructive. Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one. :-) Craig C. |
Re: I need R-12
nrs wrote:
> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning. > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist! > > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/ > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it. There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are alternatives that are less destructive. Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one. :-) Craig C. |
Re: I need R-12
nrs wrote:
> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning. > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist! > > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/ > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it. There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are alternatives that are less destructive. Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one. :-) Craig C. |
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