Well speak of the devil! Nice of you to join in Cuda.

In article <nonelson-42FD1A.21112501062007
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says...

<snips> Good stuff as usual.

> > Dupont is pretty quiet
> > about all of this of course.
>
> And all the other R-134 manufacturers?

Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that
lobbying sure did pay off. <snicker>

 

Nathan, I am thinking bad o-rings as the likely cause of leak. I have had
real good luck with vehicles of this vintage replacing all the o-rings. Of
course if you have to pay someone to do it it sounds like a lot of labor,
but really there aren't that many o-rings in the AC system of a Cherokee.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle

"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message
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> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still
works,
> > just isnt very cold.
>
> you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to
> convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy
dandy
> conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
> well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of
> efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean
and
> the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.
>
> ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
> in this case i will.
>
> --
> Nathan In Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://HiPowerTalk.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>
>

 

Nathan, I am thinking bad o-rings as the likely cause of leak. I have had
real good luck with vehicles of this vintage replacing all the o-rings. Of
course if you have to pay someone to do it it sounds like a lot of labor,
but really there aren't that many o-rings in the AC system of a Cherokee.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle

"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message
news:LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still
works,
> > just isnt very cold.
>
> you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to
> convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy
dandy
> conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
> well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of
> efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean
and
> the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.
>
> ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
> in this case i will.
>
> --
> Nathan In Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://HiPowerTalk.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>
>

 

Nathan, I am thinking bad o-rings as the likely cause of leak. I have had
real good luck with vehicles of this vintage replacing all the o-rings. Of
course if you have to pay someone to do it it sounds like a lot of labor,
but really there aren't that many o-rings in the AC system of a Cherokee.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle

"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message
news:LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still
works,
> > just isnt very cold.
>
> you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to
> convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy
dandy
> conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
> well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of
> efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean
and
> the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.
>
> ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
> in this case i will.
>
> --
> Nathan In Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://HiPowerTalk.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>
>

 

Nathan, I am thinking bad o-rings as the likely cause of leak. I have had
real good luck with vehicles of this vintage replacing all the o-rings. Of
course if you have to pay someone to do it it sounds like a lot of labor,
but really there aren't that many o-rings in the AC system of a Cherokee.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle

"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message
news:LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
> "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still
works,
> > just isnt very cold.
>
> you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to
> convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy
dandy
> conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly
> well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. dont worry about the loss of
> efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean
and
> the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees.
>
> ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but
> in this case i will.
>
> --
> Nathan In Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://HiPowerTalk.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>
>

 

In article <MPG.20caa04aee135977989696@news-server.woh.rr.com>,
Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> Well speak of the devil! Nice of you to join in Cuda.

Bozo can run but he can't hide...

And for all of you out there that wince at the costs of getting
your AC system serviced, thank Snobufoon and his minions, they
are the ones who've made it necessary for repair shops to buy
extra equipment to identify the substance(s) in your AC system.

> In article <nonelson-42FD1A.21112501062007
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says...
>
> <snips> Good stuff as usual.
>
> > > Dupont is pretty quiet
> > > about all of this of course.
> >
> > And all the other R-134 manufacturers?
>
> Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that
> lobbying sure did pay off. <snicker>

Well, that's because Interdynamics and SUVA are in on it also. ;-)

Now, ya'all can listen to someone who learned everything he knows
about AC while sitting around the pickle barrel, or you can
listen to someone who's signature is on a shitload of 609
licenses.
(I should'a bought stock in Neutronics)

 

In article <MPG.20caa04aee135977989696@news-server.woh.rr.com>,
Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> Well speak of the devil! Nice of you to join in Cuda.

Bozo can run but he can't hide...

And for all of you out there that wince at the costs of getting
your AC system serviced, thank Snobufoon and his minions, they
are the ones who've made it necessary for repair shops to buy
extra equipment to identify the substance(s) in your AC system.

> In article <nonelson-42FD1A.21112501062007
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says...
>
> <snips> Good stuff as usual.
>
> > > Dupont is pretty quiet
> > > about all of this of course.
> >
> > And all the other R-134 manufacturers?
>
> Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that
> lobbying sure did pay off. <snicker>

Well, that's because Interdynamics and SUVA are in on it also. ;-)

Now, ya'all can listen to someone who learned everything he knows
about AC while sitting around the pickle barrel, or you can
listen to someone who's signature is on a shitload of 609
licenses.
(I should'a bought stock in Neutronics)

 

In article <MPG.20caa04aee135977989696@news-server.woh.rr.com>,
Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> Well speak of the devil! Nice of you to join in Cuda.

Bozo can run but he can't hide...

And for all of you out there that wince at the costs of getting
your AC system serviced, thank Snobufoon and his minions, they
are the ones who've made it necessary for repair shops to buy
extra equipment to identify the substance(s) in your AC system.

> In article <nonelson-42FD1A.21112501062007
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says...
>
> <snips> Good stuff as usual.
>
> > > Dupont is pretty quiet
> > > about all of this of course.
> >
> > And all the other R-134 manufacturers?
>
> Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that
> lobbying sure did pay off. <snicker>

Well, that's because Interdynamics and SUVA are in on it also. ;-)

Now, ya'all can listen to someone who learned everything he knows
about AC while sitting around the pickle barrel, or you can
listen to someone who's signature is on a shitload of 609
licenses.
(I should'a bought stock in Neutronics)

 

In article <MPG.20caa04aee135977989696@news-server.woh.rr.com>,
Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> Well speak of the devil! Nice of you to join in Cuda.

Bozo can run but he can't hide...

And for all of you out there that wince at the costs of getting
your AC system serviced, thank Snobufoon and his minions, they
are the ones who've made it necessary for repair shops to buy
extra equipment to identify the substance(s) in your AC system.

> In article <nonelson-42FD1A.21112501062007
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says...
>
> <snips> Good stuff as usual.
>
> > > Dupont is pretty quiet
> > > about all of this of course.
> >
> > And all the other R-134 manufacturers?
>
> Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that
> lobbying sure did pay off. <snicker>

Well, that's because Interdynamics and SUVA are in on it also. ;-)

Now, ya'all can listen to someone who learned everything he knows
about AC while sitting around the pickle barrel, or you can
listen to someone who's signature is on a shitload of 609
licenses.
(I should'a bought stock in Neutronics)

 

In article <MPG.20ca9f11748fa9a6989694@news-server.woh.rr.com>,
Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns9942D40F0A9F9someconundrum@216.196.97.131>,
> kinch@truetex.com says...
> > Will Honea writes:
> >
> > > The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> > > but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> > > overnight or longer.
> >
> > The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
> > including the fire department, worries about indoors.
>
> Boy I swear... Place that bottle next to your cars hot engine and tell
> me you feel safe.
>
>
> Snoball has had his *** handed to him by aarcuda on this subject already
> and yet he is still spews lies. When snoball can no longer spew his bs
> in one group he moves to another. The problem is the facts do not change
> and the dangers of HC's remain.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...61.html?page=3
> > &c=y
>
> > http://www.vasa.org.au/images/movies/hc_demo.mov
>
> > The following pictures are a result of what happens when you fill
> > your system with HC and things go awry under hood. it should be
> > noted that the owner of this truck _is_ an AC service technician,
> > he thought he was as smart as snoball also;
>
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%201.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%202.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...densor%201.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...from%20top.jpg
>
> kudos to aarcuda for the research
> ---------------------------------------

To be honest, it's for my own selfish reasons...

I like my hair and my eyeballs right where they are now!

In case Snobomb couldn't figure out how to make the movie play;

That really was a FIREBALL.
It really did BLOW the windows out of the car.
That really was BLOOD streaming down that guys face.
Those really were BANDAGES on that guys hands.
It really was a MIRACLE that no one lost an eye.
They really WERE demonstrating how safe HC refrigerants are. (not)
YOU really ARE giving out foolish and hazardous advice.