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Re: i am new
stephenbuddrus@gmail.com wrote:
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and > have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany, > standard or automatic??? > I realize transmission type is a very important factor, however have you decided on a particular model Jeep yet? If you are looking for a "vintage" or somewhat older Jeep having already decided on a trans type may be a limiting factor. Of course, if you are looking for a new Jeep, you can get it in whichever you want. For what it's worth, I have an auto in my '87 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, and like it. I tend to shift it manually a lot while on the road & off. Of course, you don't really get the same level of control as you do a stick, but I like it. It's nice to be able to hop in & not worry about clutching sometimes. On the other hand, the auto transmission in my Jeep tends to get warm when the transmission is under load. With a large "towing package" cooler in front of my radiator, it heats up the entire engine compartment while off roading if in high-range. I think it really comes down to what you want to use it for & what your personal preferance is. Even with the drawbacks, I like the auto in my Jeep. Good luck! Clay |
Re: i am new
stephenbuddrus@gmail.com wrote:
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and > have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany, > standard or automatic??? > I realize transmission type is a very important factor, however have you decided on a particular model Jeep yet? If you are looking for a "vintage" or somewhat older Jeep having already decided on a trans type may be a limiting factor. Of course, if you are looking for a new Jeep, you can get it in whichever you want. For what it's worth, I have an auto in my '87 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, and like it. I tend to shift it manually a lot while on the road & off. Of course, you don't really get the same level of control as you do a stick, but I like it. It's nice to be able to hop in & not worry about clutching sometimes. On the other hand, the auto transmission in my Jeep tends to get warm when the transmission is under load. With a large "towing package" cooler in front of my radiator, it heats up the entire engine compartment while off roading if in high-range. I think it really comes down to what you want to use it for & what your personal preferance is. Even with the drawbacks, I like the auto in my Jeep. Good luck! Clay |
Re: i am new
stephenbuddrus@gmail.com wrote:
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and > have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany, > standard or automatic??? > I realize transmission type is a very important factor, however have you decided on a particular model Jeep yet? If you are looking for a "vintage" or somewhat older Jeep having already decided on a trans type may be a limiting factor. Of course, if you are looking for a new Jeep, you can get it in whichever you want. For what it's worth, I have an auto in my '87 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, and like it. I tend to shift it manually a lot while on the road & off. Of course, you don't really get the same level of control as you do a stick, but I like it. It's nice to be able to hop in & not worry about clutching sometimes. On the other hand, the auto transmission in my Jeep tends to get warm when the transmission is under load. With a large "towing package" cooler in front of my radiator, it heats up the entire engine compartment while off roading if in high-range. I think it really comes down to what you want to use it for & what your personal preferance is. Even with the drawbacks, I like the auto in my Jeep. Good luck! Clay |
Re: Re: i am new
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:47:59 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing, >you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half >way up. Not with a stick but you can power shift if need be with a automatic. Automatic rule in hard pulls plan and simple because you CAN change ratios under power if need be and select gear to match traction and speed. A lot of dozer have a torque converter in drive because it allws for torque mulitplaction under load and makes power shifts smoother too. YOu are wrong on this one as your are on a lot of things as usual >An automatic when put into 2nd to limit that one down shift at least can >get up the speed to have some momentum, but then halfway up the hill, >the sucker downshifts and the Jeep just stops and digs holes. Maybe which some like you that beleive that proper axle ratios do not matter. A Automatic rules here too because you can feather your traction far better than with a stick. My K3500 60000lb truck never goes down to 1st in low range no matter what you are doing under load nor does my old J20 even one hardest pulls. Why because I do not believe in you tall tinker toy axle ratios that severly limits your effective gear ratios. People like you with no vision or understanding of all this think none of this matter. BTW, howmany trucks in unlimited truck pulls have you seen with a manual??? Likely none. > >I have many photos of the poor folks with automatics trying and trying >and trying to get up the pit walls. The have to go around usually. Likely because they share your beleif that axle ratios have no effect on power and traction. Give me a automatic and gears in same vehical and I will get through anything you can with your tinker toy and they some > >They make a kit to lock out first gear for some of the automatic trannys >to help avoid this. Again you are so clueless here, they have anthoer solution too it is called proper gears for engine and tire size because if it is right you will NEVER need first in low range on the move unless you need to crawl real slow. If you need first it is because your effective gear ratio (tire size and axle ratio) is too tall for your engine/vehicle combo. I can see whay you do not see this though because you have NEVER owned a 4x4 that was properly geared to begin with so you do not know any better. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Never forget the ego sig, you cannot get your troll merit badge without one. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: i am new
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:47:59 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing, >you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half >way up. Not with a stick but you can power shift if need be with a automatic. Automatic rule in hard pulls plan and simple because you CAN change ratios under power if need be and select gear to match traction and speed. A lot of dozer have a torque converter in drive because it allws for torque mulitplaction under load and makes power shifts smoother too. YOu are wrong on this one as your are on a lot of things as usual >An automatic when put into 2nd to limit that one down shift at least can >get up the speed to have some momentum, but then halfway up the hill, >the sucker downshifts and the Jeep just stops and digs holes. Maybe which some like you that beleive that proper axle ratios do not matter. A Automatic rules here too because you can feather your traction far better than with a stick. My K3500 60000lb truck never goes down to 1st in low range no matter what you are doing under load nor does my old J20 even one hardest pulls. Why because I do not believe in you tall tinker toy axle ratios that severly limits your effective gear ratios. People like you with no vision or understanding of all this think none of this matter. BTW, howmany trucks in unlimited truck pulls have you seen with a manual??? Likely none. > >I have many photos of the poor folks with automatics trying and trying >and trying to get up the pit walls. The have to go around usually. Likely because they share your beleif that axle ratios have no effect on power and traction. Give me a automatic and gears in same vehical and I will get through anything you can with your tinker toy and they some > >They make a kit to lock out first gear for some of the automatic trannys >to help avoid this. Again you are so clueless here, they have anthoer solution too it is called proper gears for engine and tire size because if it is right you will NEVER need first in low range on the move unless you need to crawl real slow. If you need first it is because your effective gear ratio (tire size and axle ratio) is too tall for your engine/vehicle combo. I can see whay you do not see this though because you have NEVER owned a 4x4 that was properly geared to begin with so you do not know any better. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Never forget the ego sig, you cannot get your troll merit badge without one. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: i am new
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:47:59 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing, >you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half >way up. Not with a stick but you can power shift if need be with a automatic. Automatic rule in hard pulls plan and simple because you CAN change ratios under power if need be and select gear to match traction and speed. A lot of dozer have a torque converter in drive because it allws for torque mulitplaction under load and makes power shifts smoother too. YOu are wrong on this one as your are on a lot of things as usual >An automatic when put into 2nd to limit that one down shift at least can >get up the speed to have some momentum, but then halfway up the hill, >the sucker downshifts and the Jeep just stops and digs holes. Maybe which some like you that beleive that proper axle ratios do not matter. A Automatic rules here too because you can feather your traction far better than with a stick. My K3500 60000lb truck never goes down to 1st in low range no matter what you are doing under load nor does my old J20 even one hardest pulls. Why because I do not believe in you tall tinker toy axle ratios that severly limits your effective gear ratios. People like you with no vision or understanding of all this think none of this matter. BTW, howmany trucks in unlimited truck pulls have you seen with a manual??? Likely none. > >I have many photos of the poor folks with automatics trying and trying >and trying to get up the pit walls. The have to go around usually. Likely because they share your beleif that axle ratios have no effect on power and traction. Give me a automatic and gears in same vehical and I will get through anything you can with your tinker toy and they some > >They make a kit to lock out first gear for some of the automatic trannys >to help avoid this. Again you are so clueless here, they have anthoer solution too it is called proper gears for engine and tire size because if it is right you will NEVER need first in low range on the move unless you need to crawl real slow. If you need first it is because your effective gear ratio (tire size and axle ratio) is too tall for your engine/vehicle combo. I can see whay you do not see this though because you have NEVER owned a 4x4 that was properly geared to begin with so you do not know any better. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Never forget the ego sig, you cannot get your troll merit badge without one. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: i am new
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:47:59 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing, >you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half >way up. Not with a stick but you can power shift if need be with a automatic. Automatic rule in hard pulls plan and simple because you CAN change ratios under power if need be and select gear to match traction and speed. A lot of dozer have a torque converter in drive because it allws for torque mulitplaction under load and makes power shifts smoother too. YOu are wrong on this one as your are on a lot of things as usual >An automatic when put into 2nd to limit that one down shift at least can >get up the speed to have some momentum, but then halfway up the hill, >the sucker downshifts and the Jeep just stops and digs holes. Maybe which some like you that beleive that proper axle ratios do not matter. A Automatic rules here too because you can feather your traction far better than with a stick. My K3500 60000lb truck never goes down to 1st in low range no matter what you are doing under load nor does my old J20 even one hardest pulls. Why because I do not believe in you tall tinker toy axle ratios that severly limits your effective gear ratios. People like you with no vision or understanding of all this think none of this matter. BTW, howmany trucks in unlimited truck pulls have you seen with a manual??? Likely none. > >I have many photos of the poor folks with automatics trying and trying >and trying to get up the pit walls. The have to go around usually. Likely because they share your beleif that axle ratios have no effect on power and traction. Give me a automatic and gears in same vehical and I will get through anything you can with your tinker toy and they some > >They make a kit to lock out first gear for some of the automatic trannys >to help avoid this. Again you are so clueless here, they have anthoer solution too it is called proper gears for engine and tire size because if it is right you will NEVER need first in low range on the move unless you need to crawl real slow. If you need first it is because your effective gear ratio (tire size and axle ratio) is too tall for your engine/vehicle combo. I can see whay you do not see this though because you have NEVER owned a 4x4 that was properly geared to begin with so you do not know any better. > >Mike >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Never forget the ego sig, you cannot get your troll merit badge without one. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: i am new
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:47:59 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing, >> you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half >> way up. > > Not with a stick but you can power shift if need be with a automatic. <-------- snipped> No, you are wrong in all you 'ass'umptions. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: i am new
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:47:59 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing, >> you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half >> way up. > > Not with a stick but you can power shift if need be with a automatic. <-------- snipped> No, you are wrong in all you 'ass'umptions. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: i am new
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:47:59 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >> Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing, >> you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half >> way up. > > Not with a stick but you can power shift if need be with a automatic. <-------- snipped> No, you are wrong in all you 'ass'umptions. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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