Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
At least around here, the large SUV is THE vehicle of choice for the bad
drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
SUV's.
Lisa
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
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> The people who take 2 spaces
> : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
> : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
> : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
> : an on.
> :
> : Lisa
drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
SUV's.
Lisa
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
> news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
> The people who take 2 spaces
> : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
> : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
> : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
> : an on.
> :
> : Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
At least around here, the large SUV is THE vehicle of choice for the bad
drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
SUV's.
Lisa
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
> news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
> The people who take 2 spaces
> : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
> : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
> : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
> : an on.
> :
> : Lisa
drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
SUV's.
Lisa
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
> news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
> The people who take 2 spaces
> : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
> : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
> : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
> : an on.
> :
> : Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <sfm5pvkvatttba2obrs2i5sut974paeqas@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
> >news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> >
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>
> >
> >My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
> >saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
> >Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
> >Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
> >accurate numbers handy at the moment.
>
> The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
> pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
> for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
> brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
> time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
>
So Marc, the average of 10 and 15 is 8. Hmm. I'm getting a lot of
valuable insight into your thought processes today. P.S. that F350 is
broken, get it fixed you environment raper.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
> >news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> >
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>
> >
> >My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
> >saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
> >Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
> >Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
> >accurate numbers handy at the moment.
>
> The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
> pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
> for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
> brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
> time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
>
So Marc, the average of 10 and 15 is 8. Hmm. I'm getting a lot of
valuable insight into your thought processes today. P.S. that F350 is
broken, get it fixed you environment raper.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <sfm5pvkvatttba2obrs2i5sut974paeqas@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
> >news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> >
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>
> >
> >My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
> >saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
> >Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
> >Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
> >accurate numbers handy at the moment.
>
> The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
> pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
> for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
> brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
> time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
>
So Marc, the average of 10 and 15 is 8. Hmm. I'm getting a lot of
valuable insight into your thought processes today. P.S. that F350 is
broken, get it fixed you environment raper.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
> >news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> >
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>
> >
> >My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
> >saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
> >Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
> >Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
> >accurate numbers handy at the moment.
>
> The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
> pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
> for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
> brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
> time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
>
So Marc, the average of 10 and 15 is 8. Hmm. I'm getting a lot of
valuable insight into your thought processes today. P.S. that F350 is
broken, get it fixed you environment raper.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <sfm5pvkvatttba2obrs2i5sut974paeqas@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
> >news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> >
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>
> >
> >My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
> >saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
> >Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
> >Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
> >accurate numbers handy at the moment.
>
> The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
> pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
> for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
> brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
> time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
>
So Marc, the average of 10 and 15 is 8. Hmm. I'm getting a lot of
valuable insight into your thought processes today. P.S. that F350 is
broken, get it fixed you environment raper.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
> >news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> >
> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
> >>
> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
> >SELL
> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
> >>
> >
> >My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
> >saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
> >Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
> >Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
> >accurate numbers handy at the moment.
>
> The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
> pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
> for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
> brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
> time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
>
So Marc, the average of 10 and 15 is 8. Hmm. I'm getting a lot of
valuable insight into your thought processes today. P.S. that F350 is
broken, get it fixed you environment raper.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Bill Putney wrote:
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
> >
> > Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> > that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> > driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> > children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> > continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> > killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> > punished."
> >
>
> Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
> tougher licensing requirements.
>
And in your ignorance you think that's going to help you when you are
hit by someone who does not hold a valid driver's license. There are a
lot of them on the road now, there will be many more if it becomes
harder to get a license. Anyone ever thing of making safer roads??? Do
you really think that two cars each going 60mph passing 2 feet from each
other with no barrier to separate them is really the safest road design
available today?
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says...
>
>
> Bill Putney wrote:
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
> >
> > Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> > that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> > driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> > children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> > continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> > killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> > punished."
> >
>
> Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
> tougher licensing requirements.
>
And in your ignorance you think that's going to help you when you are
hit by someone who does not hold a valid driver's license. There are a
lot of them on the road now, there will be many more if it becomes
harder to get a license. Anyone ever thing of making safer roads??? Do
you really think that two cars each going 60mph passing 2 feet from each
other with no barrier to separate them is really the safest road design
available today?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Bill Putney wrote:
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
> >
> > Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> > that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> > driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> > children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> > continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> > killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> > punished."
> >
>
> Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
> tougher licensing requirements.
>
And in your ignorance you think that's going to help you when you are
hit by someone who does not hold a valid driver's license. There are a
lot of them on the road now, there will be many more if it becomes
harder to get a license. Anyone ever thing of making safer roads??? Do
you really think that two cars each going 60mph passing 2 feet from each
other with no barrier to separate them is really the safest road design
available today?
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says...
>
>
> Bill Putney wrote:
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
> >
> > Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> > that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> > driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> > children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> > continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> > killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> > punished."
> >
>
> Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
> tougher licensing requirements.
>
And in your ignorance you think that's going to help you when you are
hit by someone who does not hold a valid driver's license. There are a
lot of them on the road now, there will be many more if it becomes
harder to get a license. Anyone ever thing of making safer roads??? Do
you really think that two cars each going 60mph passing 2 feet from each
other with no barrier to separate them is really the safest road design
available today?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Bill Putney wrote:
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
> >
> > Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> > that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> > driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> > children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> > continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> > killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> > punished."
> >
>
> Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
> tougher licensing requirements.
>
And in your ignorance you think that's going to help you when you are
hit by someone who does not hold a valid driver's license. There are a
lot of them on the road now, there will be many more if it becomes
harder to get a license. Anyone ever thing of making safer roads??? Do
you really think that two cars each going 60mph passing 2 feet from each
other with no barrier to separate them is really the safest road design
available today?
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says...
>
>
> Bill Putney wrote:
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
> >
> > Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> > that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> > driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> > children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> > continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> > killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> > punished."
> >
>
> Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
> tougher licensing requirements.
>
And in your ignorance you think that's going to help you when you are
hit by someone who does not hold a valid driver's license. There are a
lot of them on the road now, there will be many more if it becomes
harder to get a license. Anyone ever thing of making safer roads??? Do
you really think that two cars each going 60mph passing 2 feet from each
other with no barrier to separate them is really the safest road design
available today?
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
By "Around here" I assume you mean the 3000 mile wide US populated with
260,000,000 people ?
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92E639.DEFF1E4@lisahorton.net...
: At least around here, the large SUV is THE vehicle of choice for the bad
: drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
: SUV's.
:
: Lisa
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
: > news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
: > The people who take 2 spaces
: > : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: > : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: > : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: > : an on.
: > :
: > : Lisa
260,000,000 people ?
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92E639.DEFF1E4@lisahorton.net...
: At least around here, the large SUV is THE vehicle of choice for the bad
: drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
: SUV's.
:
: Lisa
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
: > news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
: > The people who take 2 spaces
: > : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: > : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: > : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: > : an on.
: > :
: > : Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
By "Around here" I assume you mean the 3000 mile wide US populated with
260,000,000 people ?
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92E639.DEFF1E4@lisahorton.net...
: At least around here, the large SUV is THE vehicle of choice for the bad
: drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
: SUV's.
:
: Lisa
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
: > news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
: > The people who take 2 spaces
: > : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: > : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: > : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: > : an on.
: > :
: > : Lisa
260,000,000 people ?
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92E639.DEFF1E4@lisahorton.net...
: At least around here, the large SUV is THE vehicle of choice for the bad
: drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
: SUV's.
:
: Lisa
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
: > news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
: > The people who take 2 spaces
: > : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: > : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: > : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: > : an on.
: > :
: > : Lisa