Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <fol5pvgnism8g4jgve06fhbfpvr1o54h23@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
> >> >> metro.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
> >> >generates more momentum
> >>
> >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your boat
> >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
> >>
> >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
> >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
>
> Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
> portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
> appear that critical thinking is your forte.
>
> Marc
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What the hell are you talking about now Marc? There were over 400,000
crashes with this type of vehicle last year.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
> >> >> metro.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
> >> >generates more momentum
> >>
> >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your boat
> >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
> >>
> >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
> >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
>
> Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
> portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
> appear that critical thinking is your forte.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
What the hell are you talking about now Marc? There were over 400,000
crashes with this type of vehicle last year.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <fol5pvgnism8g4jgve06fhbfpvr1o54h23@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
> >> >> metro.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
> >> >generates more momentum
> >>
> >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your boat
> >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
> >>
> >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
> >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
>
> Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
> portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
> appear that critical thinking is your forte.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
What the hell are you talking about now Marc? There were over 400,000
crashes with this type of vehicle last year.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
> >> >> metro.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
> >> >generates more momentum
> >>
> >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your boat
> >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
> >>
> >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
> >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
>
> Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
> portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
> appear that critical thinking is your forte.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
What the hell are you talking about now Marc? There were over 400,000
crashes with this type of vehicle last year.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <fol5pvgnism8g4jgve06fhbfpvr1o54h23@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
> >> >> metro.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
> >> >generates more momentum
> >>
> >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your boat
> >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
> >>
> >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
> >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
>
> Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
> portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
> appear that critical thinking is your forte.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
What the hell are you talking about now Marc? There were over 400,000
crashes with this type of vehicle last year.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
> >> >> metro.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
> >> >generates more momentum
> >>
> >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your boat
> >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
> >>
> >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
> >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
>
> Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
> portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
> appear that critical thinking is your forte.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
What the hell are you talking about now Marc? There were over 400,000
crashes with this type of vehicle last year.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F92D89D.EEF86CC1@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> > says...
> > > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> >
> > Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> > curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> > rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> > it.
>
> I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
> of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
>
> Lisa
>
You clearly don't understand what type of maneuver would cause a car to
roll and yet you tell me you would be able to avoid it. You are clearly
irrelevant to this discussion.
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> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> > says...
> > > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> >
> > Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> > curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> > rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> > it.
>
> I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
> of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
>
> Lisa
>
You clearly don't understand what type of maneuver would cause a car to
roll and yet you tell me you would be able to avoid it. You are clearly
irrelevant to this discussion.
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In article <3F92D89D.EEF86CC1@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> > says...
> > > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> >
> > Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> > curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> > rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> > it.
>
> I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
> of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
>
> Lisa
>
You clearly don't understand what type of maneuver would cause a car to
roll and yet you tell me you would be able to avoid it. You are clearly
irrelevant to this discussion.
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>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> > says...
> > > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> >
> > Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> > curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> > rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> > it.
>
> I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
> of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
>
> Lisa
>
You clearly don't understand what type of maneuver would cause a car to
roll and yet you tell me you would be able to avoid it. You are clearly
irrelevant to this discussion.
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In article <3F92D89D.EEF86CC1@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> > says...
> > > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> >
> > Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> > curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> > rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> > it.
>
> I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
> of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
>
> Lisa
>
You clearly don't understand what type of maneuver would cause a car to
roll and yet you tell me you would be able to avoid it. You are clearly
irrelevant to this discussion.
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>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> > says...
> > > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> > >
> > > Lisa
> > >
> >
> > Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> > curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> > rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> > it.
>
> I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
> of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
>
> Lisa
>
You clearly don't understand what type of maneuver would cause a car to
roll and yet you tell me you would be able to avoid it. You are clearly
irrelevant to this discussion.
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In article <3F92DB03.A89C1E41@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> > dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> > >
> >
> > I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> > read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
> >
> > Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> > Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> > Small 4-door cars 7.85
> > Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> > Large 4-door cars 3.30
> > Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> > Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> > Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> > Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> > Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> > Minivans 2.76
> >
> > The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> > drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> > large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
> >
> > Look who's on top.
>
> Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
> both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
> you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
> drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
>
> Lisa
>
When I said who is on top I mean ON TOP OF THE LIST WITH THE MOST
FATALITIES. Jesus Christ you people are blind.
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>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> > dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> > >
> >
> > I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> > read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
> >
> > Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> > Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> > Small 4-door cars 7.85
> > Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> > Large 4-door cars 3.30
> > Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> > Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> > Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> > Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> > Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> > Minivans 2.76
> >
> > The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> > drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> > large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
> >
> > Look who's on top.
>
> Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
> both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
> you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
> drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
>
> Lisa
>
When I said who is on top I mean ON TOP OF THE LIST WITH THE MOST
FATALITIES. Jesus Christ you people are blind.
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In article <3F92DB03.A89C1E41@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> > dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> > >
> >
> > I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> > read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
> >
> > Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> > Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> > Small 4-door cars 7.85
> > Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> > Large 4-door cars 3.30
> > Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> > Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> > Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> > Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> > Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> > Minivans 2.76
> >
> > The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> > drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> > large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
> >
> > Look who's on top.
>
> Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
> both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
> you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
> drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
>
> Lisa
>
When I said who is on top I mean ON TOP OF THE LIST WITH THE MOST
FATALITIES. Jesus Christ you people are blind.
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>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> > dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> > >
> >
> > I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> > read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
> >
> > Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> > Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> > Small 4-door cars 7.85
> > Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> > Large 4-door cars 3.30
> > Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> > Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> > Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> > Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> > Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> > Minivans 2.76
> >
> > The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> > drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> > large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
> >
> > Look who's on top.
>
> Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
> both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
> you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
> drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
>
> Lisa
>
When I said who is on top I mean ON TOP OF THE LIST WITH THE MOST
FATALITIES. Jesus Christ you people are blind.
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In article <3F92DB03.A89C1E41@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> > dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> > >
> >
> > I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> > read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
> >
> > Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> > Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> > Small 4-door cars 7.85
> > Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> > Large 4-door cars 3.30
> > Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> > Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> > Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> > Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> > Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> > Minivans 2.76
> >
> > The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> > drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> > large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
> >
> > Look who's on top.
>
> Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
> both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
> you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
> drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
>
> Lisa
>
When I said who is on top I mean ON TOP OF THE LIST WITH THE MOST
FATALITIES. Jesus Christ you people are blind.
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>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> > dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> > >
> >
> > I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> > read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
> >
> > Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> > Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> > Small 4-door cars 7.85
> > Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> > Large 4-door cars 3.30
> > Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> > Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> > Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> > Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> > Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> > Minivans 2.76
> >
> > The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> > drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> > large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
> >
> > Look who's on top.
>
> Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
> both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
> you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
> drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
>
> Lisa
>
When I said who is on top I mean ON TOP OF THE LIST WITH THE MOST
FATALITIES. Jesus Christ you people are blind.
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At least around here, the large SUV is THE vehicle of choice for the bad
drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
SUV's.
Lisa
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
> news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
> The people who take 2 spaces
> : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
> : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
> : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
> : an on.
> :
> : Lisa
drivers. Unfortunate for those who are not bad drivers but do have
SUV's.
Lisa
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
> news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
> The people who take 2 spaces
> : in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
> : enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
> : wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
> : an on.
> :
> : Lisa