Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <jhi4pv8kqhvgq240echbl3r4kkgkop6up7@4ax.com>,
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> Lon Stowell <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:
>
> > Go drive a *modern* SUV, say the new VW or Porsche one. Then try
> > to keep up with a Turbo Cayenne with a typical sport sedan.
>
> I've driven modern SUVs. Compare apples to apples. If you want to compare
> a $60,000 truck designed to be sporty with a $15,000 car designed to be
> economical, I'd hope that the truck priced at 4 times the cost and with a
> stated sporty goal would be able to impress.
>
> Now, compare the cheaper Boxter S with the Cayenne and get back to me.
> Note that the Boxster is cheaper. Or, since you don't seem to care about
> price in your comparisons, compare the 911 Turbo with the Cayenne Turbo.
>
> Marc
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Neither car can tow worth a damn.
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> Lon Stowell <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:
>
> > Go drive a *modern* SUV, say the new VW or Porsche one. Then try
> > to keep up with a Turbo Cayenne with a typical sport sedan.
>
> I've driven modern SUVs. Compare apples to apples. If you want to compare
> a $60,000 truck designed to be sporty with a $15,000 car designed to be
> economical, I'd hope that the truck priced at 4 times the cost and with a
> stated sporty goal would be able to impress.
>
> Now, compare the cheaper Boxter S with the Cayenne and get back to me.
> Note that the Boxster is cheaper. Or, since you don't seem to care about
> price in your comparisons, compare the 911 Turbo with the Cayenne Turbo.
>
> Marc
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <l6j4pvoqdoe3n193jjjiqvrj2fm4om3vau@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <c4v1pvgldtt2aq8o1kmm6lqcu2qdip1ov4@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> >>
> >> >If I remember right petey has one of those MB ones. I haven't driven
> >> >one, but riding in one doesn't inspire the sort of confindence petey
> >> >boasts about.
> >>
> >> I have driven one of the MB ones. I was unimpressed. It handles well for
> >> a truck, but it is beat by most cars. The ML55 AMG that I drove would
> >> actually beat a large number of cars, but certainly not those cars of a
> >> similar price point.
> >>
> >Speaking of point, was there one in that post?
>
> That trucks, even those like the ML55 AMG, still handle like trucks.
>
> Next time I'll try to use smaller words so you can understand.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Next time you might not want to say "would actually beat a LARGE number
of cars" when trying to make a point about the poor handling of trucks.
You might come off looking like an idiot or something.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <c4v1pvgldtt2aq8o1kmm6lqcu2qdip1ov4@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> >>
> >> >If I remember right petey has one of those MB ones. I haven't driven
> >> >one, but riding in one doesn't inspire the sort of confindence petey
> >> >boasts about.
> >>
> >> I have driven one of the MB ones. I was unimpressed. It handles well for
> >> a truck, but it is beat by most cars. The ML55 AMG that I drove would
> >> actually beat a large number of cars, but certainly not those cars of a
> >> similar price point.
> >>
> >Speaking of point, was there one in that post?
>
> That trucks, even those like the ML55 AMG, still handle like trucks.
>
> Next time I'll try to use smaller words so you can understand.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Next time you might not want to say "would actually beat a LARGE number
of cars" when trying to make a point about the poor handling of trucks.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <l6j4pvoqdoe3n193jjjiqvrj2fm4om3vau@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <c4v1pvgldtt2aq8o1kmm6lqcu2qdip1ov4@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> >>
> >> >If I remember right petey has one of those MB ones. I haven't driven
> >> >one, but riding in one doesn't inspire the sort of confindence petey
> >> >boasts about.
> >>
> >> I have driven one of the MB ones. I was unimpressed. It handles well for
> >> a truck, but it is beat by most cars. The ML55 AMG that I drove would
> >> actually beat a large number of cars, but certainly not those cars of a
> >> similar price point.
> >>
> >Speaking of point, was there one in that post?
>
> That trucks, even those like the ML55 AMG, still handle like trucks.
>
> Next time I'll try to use smaller words so you can understand.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Next time you might not want to say "would actually beat a LARGE number
of cars" when trying to make a point about the poor handling of trucks.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <c4v1pvgldtt2aq8o1kmm6lqcu2qdip1ov4@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> >>
> >> >If I remember right petey has one of those MB ones. I haven't driven
> >> >one, but riding in one doesn't inspire the sort of confindence petey
> >> >boasts about.
> >>
> >> I have driven one of the MB ones. I was unimpressed. It handles well for
> >> a truck, but it is beat by most cars. The ML55 AMG that I drove would
> >> actually beat a large number of cars, but certainly not those cars of a
> >> similar price point.
> >>
> >Speaking of point, was there one in that post?
>
> That trucks, even those like the ML55 AMG, still handle like trucks.
>
> Next time I'll try to use smaller words so you can understand.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Next time you might not want to say "would actually beat a LARGE number
of cars" when trying to make a point about the poor handling of trucks.
You might come off looking like an idiot or something.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <l6j4pvoqdoe3n193jjjiqvrj2fm4om3vau@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <c4v1pvgldtt2aq8o1kmm6lqcu2qdip1ov4@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> >>
> >> >If I remember right petey has one of those MB ones. I haven't driven
> >> >one, but riding in one doesn't inspire the sort of confindence petey
> >> >boasts about.
> >>
> >> I have driven one of the MB ones. I was unimpressed. It handles well for
> >> a truck, but it is beat by most cars. The ML55 AMG that I drove would
> >> actually beat a large number of cars, but certainly not those cars of a
> >> similar price point.
> >>
> >Speaking of point, was there one in that post?
>
> That trucks, even those like the ML55 AMG, still handle like trucks.
>
> Next time I'll try to use smaller words so you can understand.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Next time you might not want to say "would actually beat a LARGE number
of cars" when trying to make a point about the poor handling of trucks.
You might come off looking like an idiot or something.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <c4v1pvgldtt2aq8o1kmm6lqcu2qdip1ov4@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> >>
> >> >If I remember right petey has one of those MB ones. I haven't driven
> >> >one, but riding in one doesn't inspire the sort of confindence petey
> >> >boasts about.
> >>
> >> I have driven one of the MB ones. I was unimpressed. It handles well for
> >> a truck, but it is beat by most cars. The ML55 AMG that I drove would
> >> actually beat a large number of cars, but certainly not those cars of a
> >> similar price point.
> >>
> >Speaking of point, was there one in that post?
>
> That trucks, even those like the ML55 AMG, still handle like trucks.
>
> Next time I'll try to use smaller words so you can understand.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Next time you might not want to say "would actually beat a LARGE number
of cars" when trying to make a point about the poor handling of trucks.
You might come off looking like an idiot or something.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <ckk5pvsvskudnaavoq7bo9pjg82rrblmk3@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote:
>
> >Who is deceiving them? I don't recall seeing many ads claiming that
> >SUVs are safer than cars.
>
> "A little security in an insecure world." And that is just the first that
> popped into my mind. No, there has never been one where they said "our
> truck is safer than cars," but there have been plenty that play up the idea
> that they are "safe."
>
> Marc
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>
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote:
>
> >Who is deceiving them? I don't recall seeing many ads claiming that
> >SUVs are safer than cars.
>
> "A little security in an insecure world." And that is just the first that
> popped into my mind. No, there has never been one where they said "our
> truck is safer than cars," but there have been plenty that play up the idea
> that they are "safe."
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <ckk5pvsvskudnaavoq7bo9pjg82rrblmk3@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote:
>
> >Who is deceiving them? I don't recall seeing many ads claiming that
> >SUVs are safer than cars.
>
> "A little security in an insecure world." And that is just the first that
> popped into my mind. No, there has never been one where they said "our
> truck is safer than cars," but there have been plenty that play up the idea
> that they are "safe."
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
And they are. Truth in advertising works.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote:
>
> >Who is deceiving them? I don't recall seeing many ads claiming that
> >SUVs are safer than cars.
>
> "A little security in an insecure world." And that is just the first that
> popped into my mind. No, there has never been one where they said "our
> truck is safer than cars," but there have been plenty that play up the idea
> that they are "safe."
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
And they are. Truth in advertising works.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <ckk5pvsvskudnaavoq7bo9pjg82rrblmk3@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote:
>
> >Who is deceiving them? I don't recall seeing many ads claiming that
> >SUVs are safer than cars.
>
> "A little security in an insecure world." And that is just the first that
> popped into my mind. No, there has never been one where they said "our
> truck is safer than cars," but there have been plenty that play up the idea
> that they are "safe."
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
And they are. Truth in advertising works.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote:
>
> >Who is deceiving them? I don't recall seeing many ads claiming that
> >SUVs are safer than cars.
>
> "A little security in an insecure world." And that is just the first that
> popped into my mind. No, there has never been one where they said "our
> truck is safer than cars," but there have been plenty that play up the idea
> that they are "safe."
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <89j4pvolp52f4ssf3v8or7mo9v361pjnr7@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >> >just in case.
> >> >
> >> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
> >>
> >> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> >> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> >> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> >> availability of large cars.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
> >>
> >Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
>
> Yes.
>
> Please post the specific statistics you are referring to so that we all may
> read them. So far, all of them posted indicate that SUVs are less safe.
> You seem to disagree, so I'd like to see what statistics you have to
> support your opinion.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
I just did Marc. Seems that the very statistics that started this
thread show that you are TWICE as likely to be killed driving a small
car than in a large SUV and FOUR TIMES more likely to die in a small car
than a minvan. If you are going to selectively read pieces of
informationt hat support your delusion and ignore everything else they I
guess I'll have to kill file you with the rest of the contumacious
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >> >just in case.
> >> >
> >> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
> >>
> >> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> >> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> >> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> >> availability of large cars.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
> >>
> >Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
>
> Yes.
>
> Please post the specific statistics you are referring to so that we all may
> read them. So far, all of them posted indicate that SUVs are less safe.
> You seem to disagree, so I'd like to see what statistics you have to
> support your opinion.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
I just did Marc. Seems that the very statistics that started this
thread show that you are TWICE as likely to be killed driving a small
car than in a large SUV and FOUR TIMES more likely to die in a small car
than a minvan. If you are going to selectively read pieces of
informationt hat support your delusion and ignore everything else they I
guess I'll have to kill file you with the rest of the contumacious
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <89j4pvolp52f4ssf3v8or7mo9v361pjnr7@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >> >just in case.
> >> >
> >> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
> >>
> >> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> >> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> >> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> >> availability of large cars.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
> >>
> >Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
>
> Yes.
>
> Please post the specific statistics you are referring to so that we all may
> read them. So far, all of them posted indicate that SUVs are less safe.
> You seem to disagree, so I'd like to see what statistics you have to
> support your opinion.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
I just did Marc. Seems that the very statistics that started this
thread show that you are TWICE as likely to be killed driving a small
car than in a large SUV and FOUR TIMES more likely to die in a small car
than a minvan. If you are going to selectively read pieces of
informationt hat support your delusion and ignore everything else they I
guess I'll have to kill file you with the rest of the contumacious
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >> >just in case.
> >> >
> >> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
> >>
> >> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> >> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> >> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> >> availability of large cars.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
> >>
> >Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
>
> Yes.
>
> Please post the specific statistics you are referring to so that we all may
> read them. So far, all of them posted indicate that SUVs are less safe.
> You seem to disagree, so I'd like to see what statistics you have to
> support your opinion.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
I just did Marc. Seems that the very statistics that started this
thread show that you are TWICE as likely to be killed driving a small
car than in a large SUV and FOUR TIMES more likely to die in a small car
than a minvan. If you are going to selectively read pieces of
informationt hat support your delusion and ignore everything else they I
guess I'll have to kill file you with the rest of the contumacious
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <89j4pvolp52f4ssf3v8or7mo9v361pjnr7@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >> >just in case.
> >> >
> >> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
> >>
> >> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> >> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> >> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> >> availability of large cars.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
> >>
> >Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
>
> Yes.
>
> Please post the specific statistics you are referring to so that we all may
> read them. So far, all of them posted indicate that SUVs are less safe.
> You seem to disagree, so I'd like to see what statistics you have to
> support your opinion.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
I just did Marc. Seems that the very statistics that started this
thread show that you are TWICE as likely to be killed driving a small
car than in a large SUV and FOUR TIMES more likely to die in a small car
than a minvan. If you are going to selectively read pieces of
informationt hat support your delusion and ignore everything else they I
guess I'll have to kill file you with the rest of the contumacious
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In article <71v1pvcr5r3qhuv1ct7hqlsrcc06gpr8ue@4ax.com>,
> >whineryy@yifan.net says...
> >> P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
> >> >just in case.
> >> >
> >> >Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
> >>
> >> Because the statistics indicate that a similarly weight in a car would be
> >> safer than what you bought. If you bought something that is heavier than
> >> the heaviest car available, then the problem is obviously CAFE reducing the
> >> availability of large cars.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
> >>
> >Oh do they? Have you read said statics yet Marc?
>
> Yes.
>
> Please post the specific statistics you are referring to so that we all may
> read them. So far, all of them posted indicate that SUVs are less safe.
> You seem to disagree, so I'd like to see what statistics you have to
> support your opinion.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
I just did Marc. Seems that the very statistics that started this
thread show that you are TWICE as likely to be killed driving a small
car than in a large SUV and FOUR TIMES more likely to die in a small car
than a minvan. If you are going to selectively read pieces of
informationt hat support your delusion and ignore everything else they I
guess I'll have to kill file you with the rest of the contumacious
illiterates here.
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