Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
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>"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>>
>> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
>> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>>
>
>My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
>saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
>Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
>Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
>accurate numbers handy at the moment.
The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
The full sized trucks and SUVs that are three-quarter ton or smaller all
have city mileage from 10-15 and highway mileage from 15-19. The one-tons
(trucks only, I know of now SUVs with that title) and some of the "heavy
duty" 3/4 ton ones are of sufficient GVWR that they do not get listed with
the EPA as passenger vehicles and are worse for mileage, but they aren't as
easy to look up for all of them in one place.
Marc
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>"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>>
>> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
>> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>>
>
>My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
>saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
>Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
>Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
>accurate numbers handy at the moment.
The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
The full sized trucks and SUVs that are three-quarter ton or smaller all
have city mileage from 10-15 and highway mileage from 15-19. The one-tons
(trucks only, I know of now SUVs with that title) and some of the "heavy
duty" 3/4 ton ones are of sufficient GVWR that they do not get listed with
the EPA as passenger vehicles and are worse for mileage, but they aren't as
easy to look up for all of them in one place.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
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>"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>>
>> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
>> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>>
>
>My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
>saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
>Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
>Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
>accurate numbers handy at the moment.
The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
The full sized trucks and SUVs that are three-quarter ton or smaller all
have city mileage from 10-15 and highway mileage from 15-19. The one-tons
(trucks only, I know of now SUVs with that title) and some of the "heavy
duty" 3/4 ton ones are of sufficient GVWR that they do not get listed with
the EPA as passenger vehicles and are worse for mileage, but they aren't as
easy to look up for all of them in one place.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
>"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
>news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> >
>> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>>
>> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
>> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>>
>
>My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
>saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
>Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
>Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
>accurate numbers handy at the moment.
The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
The full sized trucks and SUVs that are three-quarter ton or smaller all
have city mileage from 10-15 and highway mileage from 15-19. The one-tons
(trucks only, I know of now SUVs with that title) and some of the "heavy
duty" 3/4 ton ones are of sufficient GVWR that they do not get listed with
the EPA as passenger vehicles and are worse for mileage, but they aren't as
easy to look up for all of them in one place.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Bill Putney wrote:
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> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
>
> Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> punished."
>
Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
tougher licensing requirements.
I think that a lot of us know that the real problem isn't so much the
SUV's themselves, but SOME of the people who drive them. The people who
don't understand, or don't care, that their vehicle does not have the
turning or stopping ability of a road car. The people who take 2 spaces
in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
an on.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Bill Putney wrote:
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
>
> Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> punished."
>
Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
tougher licensing requirements.
I think that a lot of us know that the real problem isn't so much the
SUV's themselves, but SOME of the people who drive them. The people who
don't understand, or don't care, that their vehicle does not have the
turning or stopping ability of a road car. The people who take 2 spaces
in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
an on.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Bill Putney wrote:
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
>
> Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
> that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
> driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
> children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
> continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
> killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
> punished."
>
Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
tougher licensing requirements.
I think that a lot of us know that the real problem isn't so much the
SUV's themselves, but SOME of the people who drive them. The people who
don't understand, or don't care, that their vehicle does not have the
turning or stopping ability of a road car. The people who take 2 spaces
in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
an on.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
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The people who take 2 spaces
: in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: an on.
:
: Lisa
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
The people who take 2 spaces
: in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: an on.
:
: Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
The people who take 2 spaces
: in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: an on.
:
: Lisa
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
The people who take 2 spaces
: in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: an on.
:
: Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
The people who take 2 spaces
: in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: an on.
:
: Lisa
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Lisa Horton" <Lisa@lisahorton.net> wrote in message
news:3F92DF96.423518D7@lisahorton.net...
The people who take 2 spaces
: in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: an on.
:
: Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <jhi4pv8kqhvgq240echbl3r4kkgkop6up7@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Lon Stowell <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:
>
> > Go drive a *modern* SUV, say the new VW or Porsche one. Then try
> > to keep up with a Turbo Cayenne with a typical sport sedan.
>
> I've driven modern SUVs. Compare apples to apples. If you want to compare
> a $60,000 truck designed to be sporty with a $15,000 car designed to be
> economical, I'd hope that the truck priced at 4 times the cost and with a
> stated sporty goal would be able to impress.
>
> Now, compare the cheaper Boxter S with the Cayenne and get back to me.
> Note that the Boxster is cheaper. Or, since you don't seem to care about
> price in your comparisons, compare the 911 Turbo with the Cayenne Turbo.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Neither car can tow worth a damn.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Lon Stowell <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:
>
> > Go drive a *modern* SUV, say the new VW or Porsche one. Then try
> > to keep up with a Turbo Cayenne with a typical sport sedan.
>
> I've driven modern SUVs. Compare apples to apples. If you want to compare
> a $60,000 truck designed to be sporty with a $15,000 car designed to be
> economical, I'd hope that the truck priced at 4 times the cost and with a
> stated sporty goal would be able to impress.
>
> Now, compare the cheaper Boxter S with the Cayenne and get back to me.
> Note that the Boxster is cheaper. Or, since you don't seem to care about
> price in your comparisons, compare the 911 Turbo with the Cayenne Turbo.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Neither car can tow worth a damn.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <jhi4pv8kqhvgq240echbl3r4kkgkop6up7@4ax.com>,
whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Lon Stowell <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:
>
> > Go drive a *modern* SUV, say the new VW or Porsche one. Then try
> > to keep up with a Turbo Cayenne with a typical sport sedan.
>
> I've driven modern SUVs. Compare apples to apples. If you want to compare
> a $60,000 truck designed to be sporty with a $15,000 car designed to be
> economical, I'd hope that the truck priced at 4 times the cost and with a
> stated sporty goal would be able to impress.
>
> Now, compare the cheaper Boxter S with the Cayenne and get back to me.
> Note that the Boxster is cheaper. Or, since you don't seem to care about
> price in your comparisons, compare the 911 Turbo with the Cayenne Turbo.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Neither car can tow worth a damn.
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whineryy@yifan.net says...
> Lon Stowell <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote:
>
> > Go drive a *modern* SUV, say the new VW or Porsche one. Then try
> > to keep up with a Turbo Cayenne with a typical sport sedan.
>
> I've driven modern SUVs. Compare apples to apples. If you want to compare
> a $60,000 truck designed to be sporty with a $15,000 car designed to be
> economical, I'd hope that the truck priced at 4 times the cost and with a
> stated sporty goal would be able to impress.
>
> Now, compare the cheaper Boxter S with the Cayenne and get back to me.
> Note that the Boxster is cheaper. Or, since you don't seem to care about
> price in your comparisons, compare the 911 Turbo with the Cayenne Turbo.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
Neither car can tow worth a damn.
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