Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> says...
> > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> >
> > Lisa
> >
>
> Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> it.
I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> says...
> > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> >
> > Lisa
> >
>
> Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> it.
I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <3F91968B.2CC958BF@lisahorton.net>, Lisa@lisahorton.net
> says...
> > Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> > can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> > be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> >
> > Lisa
> >
>
> Your ignorance is what will kill you one of these days. Rainy on a
> curve with you driving? What is the current record for a small car
> rolling over in a ditch? 15 times I think? Let me know if you break
> it.
I don't drive a small car. I also don't drive at or beyond the limits
of my vehicle or skill. I'l be doing the watching, not the rolling.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In Europe trucks travel the same roads as everyone else..
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Marc" <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote in message
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: Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: >
: >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
: >> >> metro.
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
: >> >generates more momentum
: >>
: >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your
boat
: >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
: >>
: >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
: >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
:
: Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
: portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
: appear that critical thinking is your forte.
:
: Marc
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"Marc" <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote in message
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: Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: >
: >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
: >> >> metro.
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
: >> >generates more momentum
: >>
: >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your
boat
: >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
: >>
: >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
: >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
:
: Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
: portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
: appear that critical thinking is your forte.
:
: Marc
: For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In Europe trucks travel the same roads as everyone else..
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Marc" <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote in message
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: Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: >
: >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
: >> >> metro.
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
: >> >generates more momentum
: >>
: >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your
boat
: >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
: >>
: >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
: >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
:
: Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
: portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
: appear that critical thinking is your forte.
:
: Marc
: For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
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Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Marc" <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote in message
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: Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: >
: >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
: >> >> metro.
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
: >> >generates more momentum
: >>
: >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your
boat
: >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
: >>
: >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
: >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
:
: Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
: portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
: appear that critical thinking is your forte.
:
: Marc
: For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In Europe trucks travel the same roads as everyone else..
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Marc" <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote in message
news:fol5pvgnism8g4jgve06fhbfpvr1o54h23@4ax.com...
: Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: >
: >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
: >> >> metro.
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
: >> >generates more momentum
: >>
: >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your
boat
: >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
: >>
: >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
: >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
:
: Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
: portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
: appear that critical thinking is your forte.
:
: Marc
: For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Marc" <whineryy@yifan.net> wrote in message
news:fol5pvgnism8g4jgve06fhbfpvr1o54h23@4ax.com...
: Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: >
: >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
: >> >> metro.
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
: >> >generates more momentum
: >>
: >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your
boat
: >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
: >>
: >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
: >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
:
: Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
: portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
: appear that critical thinking is your forte.
:
: Marc
: For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> >
>
> I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
>
> Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> Small 4-door cars 7.85
> Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> Large 4-door cars 3.30
> Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> Minivans 2.76
>
> The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
>
> Look who's on top.
Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> >
>
> I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
>
> Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> Small 4-door cars 7.85
> Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> Large 4-door cars 3.30
> Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> Minivans 2.76
>
> The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
>
> Look who's on top.
Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <5ac380ce.0310181518.67be59b4@posting.google.com >,
> dianelos@tecapro.com says...
> > You may be right in many of your specifics, but I think that their
> > detail confuses the basic question here. The NHTSA study is not based
> > on arguments about physics, or even on crash tests. It is based or
> > real world data: it is based on then number of people who have in fact
> > died in SUVs as compared to the number of people who have died in
> > passenger cars of comparable or even less weight.
> >
>
> I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
> read the report that is being MIS-quoted?
>
> Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
> Very small 4-door cars 11.56
> Small 4-door cars 7.85
> Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
> Large 4-door cars 3.30
> Compact pickup trucks 6.82
> Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
> Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
> Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
> Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
> Minivans 2.76
>
> The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
> drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
> large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).
>
> Look who's on top.
Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.
Lisa
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
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>"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
>news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> >
>> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>>
>> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
>> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>>
>
>My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
>saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
>Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
>Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
>accurate numbers handy at the moment.
The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
The full sized trucks and SUVs that are three-quarter ton or smaller all
have city mileage from 10-15 and highway mileage from 15-19. The one-tons
(trucks only, I know of now SUVs with that title) and some of the "heavy
duty" 3/4 ton ones are of sufficient GVWR that they do not get listed with
the EPA as passenger vehicles and are worse for mileage, but they aren't as
easy to look up for all of them in one place.
Marc
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>
>"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message
>news:MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> >
>> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>>
>> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they don't
>> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>>
>
>My 91 GMC K2500 pickup with a 350 engine gets 17.6 MPG highway and you think
>saying an SUV geting 8 MPG is accurate?
>Just what SUV are you thinking of here?
>Even the largest of them should get 14 or better, though I don't have
>accurate numbers handy at the moment.
The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
time it was on the highway, it was towing something.
The full sized trucks and SUVs that are three-quarter ton or smaller all
have city mileage from 10-15 and highway mileage from 15-19. The one-tons
(trucks only, I know of now SUVs with that title) and some of the "heavy
duty" 3/4 ton ones are of sufficient GVWR that they do not get listed with
the EPA as passenger vehicles and are worse for mileage, but they aren't as
easy to look up for all of them in one place.
Marc
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