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#6721
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <3FCFE961.BAECF093@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3FCCE917.CEB3EFBE@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <MfVyb.61262$t01.28458@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> >> >> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01...
> >> >> >> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation"
> wherein
> >> >> >> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then,
> >> when
> >> >> >> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy
> >> goes
> >> >> >> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't
> >> afford
> >> >> >> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is
> forced
> >> >> >> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh
> one
> >> >> >> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out
> their
> >> >> >> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> >> >> >> > government.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
> >> >> >> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had
> "free"
> >> >> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care
> outstripped
> >> the
> >> >> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people
> >> with
> >> >> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go
> wait
> >> in
> >> >> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care.
> >> >>
> >> >> As opposed to here, where if you don't have insurance, or aren't rich,
> you
> >> >> either go bankrupt or do without any care?
> >> >
> >> >Again Lloyd, not true, except perhaps in your alternate reality, where
> >> (unnamed)
> >> >people in this group are Taliban that stone women for learning to read and
> >> shoot
> >> >as US troops . Hospitals may not turn people away for care by law.
> >> >
> >> Only in an emergency is a hospital required to treat anybody, and as soon
> as
> >> they're "stable" they can be turned out. Need dialysis? No hospital is
> >> required to do that for free, for example.
> >
> >Dialysis patients get low-cost or free dialysis from medical centers (this
> >procedure need not be done at a hospital) every day.
> >
> >
> If there's one nearby and it voluntarily does that. That doesn't cover
> everybody.
But a combination of Medicaid, Medicare, and state medical assistance does.
#6722
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <4tkvsv8snjqk1gb7ec6f6556d7ck8dpikf@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:23:56 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>>Marriage, in our culture (Judeo/Christian) has been historically
> >>
> >>But the US government, not being JudeoChristian or any religion, should not
> >>reflect religious bias, should it?
> >
> >Depends on how you look at it.
> >The government is made up of 'the people'.
> >Those people's lives are, at least in part, shaped by their religion.
> >To expect their government to be completely divorced from that
> >religion (whatever religion it is, or even the combination of
> >religions it is here) is being unrealistic. It's asking the people to
> >ignore what they believe in.
>
> Or asking them to not force others to live like the majority wants. You seem
> to be advocating the Taliban style of government -- those who are in power get
> to enforce their religious beliefs on everybody else.
Yeah, right. Next time try actually reading what you respond to.
#6723
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <4tkvsv8snjqk1gb7ec6f6556d7ck8dpikf@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:23:56 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>>Marriage, in our culture (Judeo/Christian) has been historically
> >>
> >>But the US government, not being JudeoChristian or any religion, should not
> >>reflect religious bias, should it?
> >
> >Depends on how you look at it.
> >The government is made up of 'the people'.
> >Those people's lives are, at least in part, shaped by their religion.
> >To expect their government to be completely divorced from that
> >religion (whatever religion it is, or even the combination of
> >religions it is here) is being unrealistic. It's asking the people to
> >ignore what they believe in.
>
> Or asking them to not force others to live like the majority wants. You seem
> to be advocating the Taliban style of government -- those who are in power get
> to enforce their religious beliefs on everybody else.
Yeah, right. Next time try actually reading what you respond to.
#6724
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <4tkvsv8snjqk1gb7ec6f6556d7ck8dpikf@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:23:56 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>>Marriage, in our culture (Judeo/Christian) has been historically
> >>
> >>But the US government, not being JudeoChristian or any religion, should not
> >>reflect religious bias, should it?
> >
> >Depends on how you look at it.
> >The government is made up of 'the people'.
> >Those people's lives are, at least in part, shaped by their religion.
> >To expect their government to be completely divorced from that
> >religion (whatever religion it is, or even the combination of
> >religions it is here) is being unrealistic. It's asking the people to
> >ignore what they believe in.
>
> Or asking them to not force others to live like the majority wants. You seem
> to be advocating the Taliban style of government -- those who are in power get
> to enforce their religious beliefs on everybody else.
Yeah, right. Next time try actually reading what you respond to.
#6725
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <4rgvsvsr85ac6otf5vq7tgpvuper2gi50r@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:19:48 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In article <fjsssvsjhm8pallc1vtbeep7bao9tn38hv@4ax.com>,
> >> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >>>On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:56:52 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>You're free to pay for their healthcare any time you want. But what
> >>>>>idiot believes that they have the right to reach into my pocket and take
> >>>>>what is mine (it's called stealing). So - really - who is preventing
> >>>>>you and anyone who feels that way from paying for the treatment of these
> >>>>>people? You have that right, as do I - but by freedom of will - not by
> >>>>>confiscation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>It's called living in a society. Society has the right to compel you to
> pay
> >>>>taxes, and it's the height of idiocy to call it stealing or theft. If you
> >>>>don't want to live in a society, you can leave. Nobody's keeping you
> here.
> >>>
> >>>That assumes that all taxes are for legimitate purposes.
> >>>And that's hardly the case.
> >>>
> >>And you get to decide that? Sorry, that would be anarchy. In our society,
> >>our elected government decides that.
> >
> >And you obviously think that makes them OK.
> > You might not agree (that's your right), but I do in fact get to
> >decide if taxes are all used for legimitate purposes. It's part living
> >in a democratic republic.
> >Do *YOU* think all taxes go for legimate purposes?
> >
>
> Hell no. Missile defense in space, for example. Haliburton contracts in
> Iraq, for another.
Who would you have given the same contracts to instead?
> Do I get to decide which ones I don't pay taxes to
> support?
You get to vote for the representatives and Senators of your choice.
#6726
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <4rgvsvsr85ac6otf5vq7tgpvuper2gi50r@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:19:48 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In article <fjsssvsjhm8pallc1vtbeep7bao9tn38hv@4ax.com>,
> >> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >>>On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:56:52 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>You're free to pay for their healthcare any time you want. But what
> >>>>>idiot believes that they have the right to reach into my pocket and take
> >>>>>what is mine (it's called stealing). So - really - who is preventing
> >>>>>you and anyone who feels that way from paying for the treatment of these
> >>>>>people? You have that right, as do I - but by freedom of will - not by
> >>>>>confiscation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>It's called living in a society. Society has the right to compel you to
> pay
> >>>>taxes, and it's the height of idiocy to call it stealing or theft. If you
> >>>>don't want to live in a society, you can leave. Nobody's keeping you
> here.
> >>>
> >>>That assumes that all taxes are for legimitate purposes.
> >>>And that's hardly the case.
> >>>
> >>And you get to decide that? Sorry, that would be anarchy. In our society,
> >>our elected government decides that.
> >
> >And you obviously think that makes them OK.
> > You might not agree (that's your right), but I do in fact get to
> >decide if taxes are all used for legimitate purposes. It's part living
> >in a democratic republic.
> >Do *YOU* think all taxes go for legimate purposes?
> >
>
> Hell no. Missile defense in space, for example. Haliburton contracts in
> Iraq, for another.
Who would you have given the same contracts to instead?
> Do I get to decide which ones I don't pay taxes to
> support?
You get to vote for the representatives and Senators of your choice.
#6727
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <4rgvsvsr85ac6otf5vq7tgpvuper2gi50r@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 04 Dec 03 10:19:48 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In article <fjsssvsjhm8pallc1vtbeep7bao9tn38hv@4ax.com>,
> >> Bill Funk <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote:
> >>>On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:56:52 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>You're free to pay for their healthcare any time you want. But what
> >>>>>idiot believes that they have the right to reach into my pocket and take
> >>>>>what is mine (it's called stealing). So - really - who is preventing
> >>>>>you and anyone who feels that way from paying for the treatment of these
> >>>>>people? You have that right, as do I - but by freedom of will - not by
> >>>>>confiscation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>It's called living in a society. Society has the right to compel you to
> pay
> >>>>taxes, and it's the height of idiocy to call it stealing or theft. If you
> >>>>don't want to live in a society, you can leave. Nobody's keeping you
> here.
> >>>
> >>>That assumes that all taxes are for legimitate purposes.
> >>>And that's hardly the case.
> >>>
> >>And you get to decide that? Sorry, that would be anarchy. In our society,
> >>our elected government decides that.
> >
> >And you obviously think that makes them OK.
> > You might not agree (that's your right), but I do in fact get to
> >decide if taxes are all used for legimitate purposes. It's part living
> >in a democratic republic.
> >Do *YOU* think all taxes go for legimate purposes?
> >
>
> Hell no. Missile defense in space, for example. Haliburton contracts in
> Iraq, for another.
Who would you have given the same contracts to instead?
> Do I get to decide which ones I don't pay taxes to
> support?
You get to vote for the representatives and Senators of your choice.
#6728
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study aboutsafetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> And heaven forbid you Taliban would have to accept everyone as being equal.
When even you are sure you don't have an argument, you resort to calling somebody
"Taliban." Cute.
#6729
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study aboutsafetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> And heaven forbid you Taliban would have to accept everyone as being equal.
When even you are sure you don't have an argument, you resort to calling somebody
"Taliban." Cute.
#6730
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study aboutsafetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> And heaven forbid you Taliban would have to accept everyone as being equal.
When even you are sure you don't have an argument, you resort to calling somebody
"Taliban." Cute.