Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#6711
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, David J. Allen wrote:
> > ...I don't suppose Clarence Thomas would qualify as a civil rights
> > authority. Would he?
>
> Well, let's see. What are Coretta Scott King's qualifications as an
> authority on the civil rights struggle for blacks? Her credentials, her
> track record and experience and that of her late husband.
>
> What are Clarence Thomas' qualifications? The color of his skin...?
No - a conservative black person is automatically disqualified and is to
be figuratively castrated or lynched whenever possible. They don't
refer to them as the NAA*L*CP for no reason.
Bill Putney
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#6712
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, David J. Allen wrote:
> > ...I don't suppose Clarence Thomas would qualify as a civil rights
> > authority. Would he?
>
> Well, let's see. What are Coretta Scott King's qualifications as an
> authority on the civil rights struggle for blacks? Her credentials, her
> track record and experience and that of her late husband.
>
> What are Clarence Thomas' qualifications? The color of his skin...?
No - a conservative black person is automatically disqualified and is to
be figuratively castrated or lynched whenever possible. They don't
refer to them as the NAA*L*CP for no reason.
Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")
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#6713
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <3FCFEDBC.EFE638D3@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3FCCEA4D.9F9665EC@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
> >> health
> >> >> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for
> insurance
> >> >> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
> >> >
> >> >Many HMOs are not even for profit.
> >>
> >> Huh? They're all run by insurance companies, and they sure are for profit.
> >> In most states, even Blue Cross is now for profit.
> >
> >Kaiser Foundation Health Plan Inc N California NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Kaiser Foundation Health Plan Inc S California NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Shield of CA Access NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HMO Blue Boston, Mass NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HMO Illinois NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Tennessee Health Care Network NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HIP Health Plan of NY NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Tufts Health Plan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HarvardPilgrim Health Care NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Triple S San Juan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Care Network of Michigan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Choice Rochester NY NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >
> >>
> >> > And let's attack drug companies and put them
> >> >out of business.
> >>
> >> 1. They earn a greater return on capital than any other industry.
> >
> >Wrong. What was your source for this factoid?
> >
>
> Fortune magazine.
Citation for your factoid? Article, Issue, Date, Page Number? I have access to
Fortune's archives so it will be no trouble to find your alleged source. (Perhaps
merely mentioning a Magazine name is good enough for your class, Professor, but it
certainly was not sufficient for any of mine.)
>
>
> >> 2. They take drugs discovered and tested with tax-funded research and make
> >> huge profits on them.
> >
> >Some drugs are helped with tax funded research, some aren't. Nearly all
> research
> >doesn't yield a dime of profits. One successful drug in a career makes a
> >successful career. Without the hope of profits there is no incentive to
> spend
> >billions of capital in research.
>
> Drug companies make plenty of profits.
Yes that explains why Wyeth has been downsizing to survive. Some companies make
consistent profits, some don't and die.
> And they spend more on advertising and
> lobbying than research.
Your point? What companies DON"T advertise?
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> 3. They do fine in other countries where they aren't allowed such
> exorbitant
> >> profits.
> >
> >That's because drugs have gigantice fixed costs, but little variable costs.
> >That's why generics can be made cheaply AFTER the drug is invented.
>
> So US citizens should subsidize this?
You're suggesting that US citizens should subsidize ALL healthcare. Unless you
are suggested that "the government" just pay for everything without realizes who
pays "the government." But hey, we always hear how illegal aliens pay so many
taxes too right? That should makes us feel better.
But then again you said, HMO's are "all run by insurance companies, and they sure
are for profit" as if the sample of not for profit HMOs above don't exist, despite
being some of the largest.
#6714
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <3FCFEDBC.EFE638D3@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3FCCEA4D.9F9665EC@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
> >> health
> >> >> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for
> insurance
> >> >> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
> >> >
> >> >Many HMOs are not even for profit.
> >>
> >> Huh? They're all run by insurance companies, and they sure are for profit.
> >> In most states, even Blue Cross is now for profit.
> >
> >Kaiser Foundation Health Plan Inc N California NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Kaiser Foundation Health Plan Inc S California NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Shield of CA Access NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HMO Blue Boston, Mass NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HMO Illinois NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Tennessee Health Care Network NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HIP Health Plan of NY NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Tufts Health Plan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HarvardPilgrim Health Care NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Triple S San Juan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Care Network of Michigan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Choice Rochester NY NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >
> >>
> >> > And let's attack drug companies and put them
> >> >out of business.
> >>
> >> 1. They earn a greater return on capital than any other industry.
> >
> >Wrong. What was your source for this factoid?
> >
>
> Fortune magazine.
Citation for your factoid? Article, Issue, Date, Page Number? I have access to
Fortune's archives so it will be no trouble to find your alleged source. (Perhaps
merely mentioning a Magazine name is good enough for your class, Professor, but it
certainly was not sufficient for any of mine.)
>
>
> >> 2. They take drugs discovered and tested with tax-funded research and make
> >> huge profits on them.
> >
> >Some drugs are helped with tax funded research, some aren't. Nearly all
> research
> >doesn't yield a dime of profits. One successful drug in a career makes a
> >successful career. Without the hope of profits there is no incentive to
> spend
> >billions of capital in research.
>
> Drug companies make plenty of profits.
Yes that explains why Wyeth has been downsizing to survive. Some companies make
consistent profits, some don't and die.
> And they spend more on advertising and
> lobbying than research.
Your point? What companies DON"T advertise?
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> 3. They do fine in other countries where they aren't allowed such
> exorbitant
> >> profits.
> >
> >That's because drugs have gigantice fixed costs, but little variable costs.
> >That's why generics can be made cheaply AFTER the drug is invented.
>
> So US citizens should subsidize this?
You're suggesting that US citizens should subsidize ALL healthcare. Unless you
are suggested that "the government" just pay for everything without realizes who
pays "the government." But hey, we always hear how illegal aliens pay so many
taxes too right? That should makes us feel better.
But then again you said, HMO's are "all run by insurance companies, and they sure
are for profit" as if the sample of not for profit HMOs above don't exist, despite
being some of the largest.
#6715
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <3FCFEDBC.EFE638D3@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3FCCEA4D.9F9665EC@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on
> >> health
> >> >> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for
> insurance
> >> >> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
> >> >
> >> >Many HMOs are not even for profit.
> >>
> >> Huh? They're all run by insurance companies, and they sure are for profit.
> >> In most states, even Blue Cross is now for profit.
> >
> >Kaiser Foundation Health Plan Inc N California NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Kaiser Foundation Health Plan Inc S California NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Shield of CA Access NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HMO Blue Boston, Mass NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HMO Illinois NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Tennessee Health Care Network NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HIP Health Plan of NY NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Tufts Health Plan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >HarvardPilgrim Health Care NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Triple S San Juan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Care Network of Michigan NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >Blue Choice Rochester NY NOT-FOR-PROFIT HMO
> >
> >>
> >> > And let's attack drug companies and put them
> >> >out of business.
> >>
> >> 1. They earn a greater return on capital than any other industry.
> >
> >Wrong. What was your source for this factoid?
> >
>
> Fortune magazine.
Citation for your factoid? Article, Issue, Date, Page Number? I have access to
Fortune's archives so it will be no trouble to find your alleged source. (Perhaps
merely mentioning a Magazine name is good enough for your class, Professor, but it
certainly was not sufficient for any of mine.)
>
>
> >> 2. They take drugs discovered and tested with tax-funded research and make
> >> huge profits on them.
> >
> >Some drugs are helped with tax funded research, some aren't. Nearly all
> research
> >doesn't yield a dime of profits. One successful drug in a career makes a
> >successful career. Without the hope of profits there is no incentive to
> spend
> >billions of capital in research.
>
> Drug companies make plenty of profits.
Yes that explains why Wyeth has been downsizing to survive. Some companies make
consistent profits, some don't and die.
> And they spend more on advertising and
> lobbying than research.
Your point? What companies DON"T advertise?
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> 3. They do fine in other countries where they aren't allowed such
> exorbitant
> >> profits.
> >
> >That's because drugs have gigantice fixed costs, but little variable costs.
> >That's why generics can be made cheaply AFTER the drug is invented.
>
> So US citizens should subsidize this?
You're suggesting that US citizens should subsidize ALL healthcare. Unless you
are suggested that "the government" just pay for everything without realizes who
pays "the government." But hey, we always hear how illegal aliens pay so many
taxes too right? That should makes us feel better.
But then again you said, HMO's are "all run by insurance companies, and they sure
are for profit" as if the sample of not for profit HMOs above don't exist, despite
being some of the largest.
#6716
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <vsvl3ql92lu9d3@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
> >unabaited.
> >> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
> >get
> >> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
> >the
> >> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
> >list,
> >> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >> >treatment.
> >>
> >> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> >> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> >> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> >> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> >> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> >> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> >> you're wealthy.
> >>
> >> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> >> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> >> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?
> >
> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
>
> How long would he have waited here if he were poor or had no insurance? He
> wouldn't have even had the routine physical, and you know it.
Only in LloydLand. Medicare, Medicaid, and state medical assistance in the USA
pays for such services every day. Many hospitals and their doctors operate free
clinics for low income patients in addition to this.
> In article <vsvl3ql92lu9d3@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
> >unabaited.
> >> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
> >get
> >> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
> >the
> >> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
> >list,
> >> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >> >treatment.
> >>
> >> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> >> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> >> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> >> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> >> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> >> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> >> you're wealthy.
> >>
> >> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> >> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> >> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?
> >
> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
>
> How long would he have waited here if he were poor or had no insurance? He
> wouldn't have even had the routine physical, and you know it.
Only in LloydLand. Medicare, Medicaid, and state medical assistance in the USA
pays for such services every day. Many hospitals and their doctors operate free
clinics for low income patients in addition to this.
#6717
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <vsvl3ql92lu9d3@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
> >unabaited.
> >> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
> >get
> >> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
> >the
> >> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
> >list,
> >> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >> >treatment.
> >>
> >> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> >> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> >> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> >> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> >> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> >> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> >> you're wealthy.
> >>
> >> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> >> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> >> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?
> >
> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
>
> How long would he have waited here if he were poor or had no insurance? He
> wouldn't have even had the routine physical, and you know it.
Only in LloydLand. Medicare, Medicaid, and state medical assistance in the USA
pays for such services every day. Many hospitals and their doctors operate free
clinics for low income patients in addition to this.
> In article <vsvl3ql92lu9d3@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
> >unabaited.
> >> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
> >get
> >> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
> >the
> >> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
> >list,
> >> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >> >treatment.
> >>
> >> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> >> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> >> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> >> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> >> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> >> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> >> you're wealthy.
> >>
> >> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> >> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> >> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?
> >
> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
>
> How long would he have waited here if he were poor or had no insurance? He
> wouldn't have even had the routine physical, and you know it.
Only in LloydLand. Medicare, Medicaid, and state medical assistance in the USA
pays for such services every day. Many hospitals and their doctors operate free
clinics for low income patients in addition to this.
#6718
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <vsvl3ql92lu9d3@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
> >unabaited.
> >> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
> >get
> >> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
> >the
> >> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
> >list,
> >> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >> >treatment.
> >>
> >> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> >> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> >> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> >> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> >> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> >> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> >> you're wealthy.
> >>
> >> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> >> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> >> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?
> >
> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
>
> How long would he have waited here if he were poor or had no insurance? He
> wouldn't have even had the routine physical, and you know it.
Only in LloydLand. Medicare, Medicaid, and state medical assistance in the USA
pays for such services every day. Many hospitals and their doctors operate free
clinics for low income patients in addition to this.
> In article <vsvl3ql92lu9d3@corp.supernews.com>,
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
> >news:7dc396f584336d32b246a944411c15de@news.terane ws.com...
> >> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:16:23 -0500, "The Ancient One"
> >> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues
> >unabaited.
> >> >To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
> >> >countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You
> >get
> >> >reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but
> >the
> >> >system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting
> >list,
> >> >and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
> >> >treatment.
> >>
> >> It's not quite that simple. If you need a procedure, they evaluate
> >> how urgent it is. If it's extremely urgent you get bumped to the top
> >> of the list. If it's not so urgent, you get on the waiting list and
> >> get done after others who have been waiting longer are processed. If
> >> you don't want to wait and can afford it, you go to somewhere that you
> >> can pay for the procedure, which is down south. A great system if
> >> you're wealthy.
> >>
> >> I know that no matter what happens, if I blow out my knee I'm going to
> >> get an MRI. It may take 8 weeks, but I'll get it and it won't cost me
> >> anything extra. Can you say the same thing?
> >
> >I have a friend who went to the Doctor for a routine physical. The Doctor
> >did not like whaat he saw on the treadmill test and checked him into the
> >hospital, where he had a balloon angioplasty that same afternoon. How long
> >would he have waited "on the list" in Canada for the same treatment,
>
> How long would he have waited here if he were poor or had no insurance? He
> wouldn't have even had the routine physical, and you know it.
Only in LloydLand. Medicare, Medicaid, and state medical assistance in the USA
pays for such services every day. Many hospitals and their doctors operate free
clinics for low income patients in addition to this.
#6719
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <3FCFE961.BAECF093@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3FCCE917.CEB3EFBE@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <MfVyb.61262$t01.28458@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> >> >> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01...
> >> >> >> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation"
> wherein
> >> >> >> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then,
> >> when
> >> >> >> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy
> >> goes
> >> >> >> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't
> >> afford
> >> >> >> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is
> forced
> >> >> >> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh
> one
> >> >> >> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out
> their
> >> >> >> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> >> >> >> > government.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
> >> >> >> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had
> "free"
> >> >> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care
> outstripped
> >> the
> >> >> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people
> >> with
> >> >> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go
> wait
> >> in
> >> >> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care.
> >> >>
> >> >> As opposed to here, where if you don't have insurance, or aren't rich,
> you
> >> >> either go bankrupt or do without any care?
> >> >
> >> >Again Lloyd, not true, except perhaps in your alternate reality, where
> >> (unnamed)
> >> >people in this group are Taliban that stone women for learning to read and
> >> shoot
> >> >as US troops . Hospitals may not turn people away for care by law.
> >> >
> >> Only in an emergency is a hospital required to treat anybody, and as soon
> as
> >> they're "stable" they can be turned out. Need dialysis? No hospital is
> >> required to do that for free, for example.
> >
> >Dialysis patients get low-cost or free dialysis from medical centers (this
> >procedure need not be done at a hospital) every day.
> >
> >
> If there's one nearby and it voluntarily does that. That doesn't cover
> everybody.
But a combination of Medicaid, Medicare, and state medical assistance does.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <3FCFE961.BAECF093@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3FCCE917.CEB3EFBE@greg.greg>, Greg <greg@greg.greg> wrote:
> >> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <MfVyb.61262$t01.28458@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> >> >> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01...
> >> >> >> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation"
> wherein
> >> >> >> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then,
> >> when
> >> >> >> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy
> >> goes
> >> >> >> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't
> >> afford
> >> >> >> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is
> forced
> >> >> >> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh
> one
> >> >> >> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out
> their
> >> >> >> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> >> >> >> > government.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
> >> >> >> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had
> "free"
> >> >> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care
> outstripped
> >> the
> >> >> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people
> >> with
> >> >> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go
> wait
> >> in
> >> >> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care.
> >> >>
> >> >> As opposed to here, where if you don't have insurance, or aren't rich,
> you
> >> >> either go bankrupt or do without any care?
> >> >
> >> >Again Lloyd, not true, except perhaps in your alternate reality, where
> >> (unnamed)
> >> >people in this group are Taliban that stone women for learning to read and
> >> shoot
> >> >as US troops . Hospitals may not turn people away for care by law.
> >> >
> >> Only in an emergency is a hospital required to treat anybody, and as soon
> as
> >> they're "stable" they can be turned out. Need dialysis? No hospital is
> >> required to do that for free, for example.
> >
> >Dialysis patients get low-cost or free dialysis from medical centers (this
> >procedure need not be done at a hospital) every day.
> >
> >
> If there's one nearby and it voluntarily does that. That doesn't cover
> everybody.
But a combination of Medicaid, Medicare, and state medical assistance does.