Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study aboutsafetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <3FCF6A9F.CE14F321@mindspring.com>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, C. E. White wrote first this:
>>
>> > I know that in NC, a law was passed specifically validating interracial
>> > marriages in order correct the harm done my an old law that declared
>> > such marriages invalid. If a similar law was passed validating same ---
>> > unions and recognizing then as a marriage, then I guess I'd be satisfied
>> > if not delighted.
>>
>> Then this:
>>
>> > I am opposed to trying to implement this through the judiciary by
>> > redefining the legal meaning of the word "marriage" as it has been
>> > understood for many years.
>>
>> These two statements seem contradictory.
>
>I'll try to clarify -
>
>I do not have a problem with the idea that same --- couples should be granted
>the same rights and responsibilities as people in a traditional man/woman
>marriages. To implement this, my preference is that laws be enacted to grant
>same --- unions rights equivalent to a traditional marriage where
appropriate.
>I'd prefer this be done without trying to redefine the legal meaning of the
>word marriage. I am especially opposed to a judge deciding that the word
>marriage means something different than the traditional legal definition. If
a
>law was passed that explicitly changed the definition, then I'd have to live
>with it (I'd be satisfied but not delighted).
>
>Ed
>
>
How about this? Marriage is a religious ceremony, performed by a church; the
government doesn't use the term "marriage" at all but "civil unions" for all
recognizied unions of 2 adults and grants the same benefits to all of them.
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, C. E. White wrote first this:
>>
>> > I know that in NC, a law was passed specifically validating interracial
>> > marriages in order correct the harm done my an old law that declared
>> > such marriages invalid. If a similar law was passed validating same ---
>> > unions and recognizing then as a marriage, then I guess I'd be satisfied
>> > if not delighted.
>>
>> Then this:
>>
>> > I am opposed to trying to implement this through the judiciary by
>> > redefining the legal meaning of the word "marriage" as it has been
>> > understood for many years.
>>
>> These two statements seem contradictory.
>
>I'll try to clarify -
>
>I do not have a problem with the idea that same --- couples should be granted
>the same rights and responsibilities as people in a traditional man/woman
>marriages. To implement this, my preference is that laws be enacted to grant
>same --- unions rights equivalent to a traditional marriage where
appropriate.
>I'd prefer this be done without trying to redefine the legal meaning of the
>word marriage. I am especially opposed to a judge deciding that the word
>marriage means something different than the traditional legal definition. If
a
>law was passed that explicitly changed the definition, then I'd have to live
>with it (I'd be satisfied but not delighted).
>
>Ed
>
>
How about this? Marriage is a religious ceremony, performed by a church; the
government doesn't use the term "marriage" at all but "civil unions" for all
recognizied unions of 2 adults and grants the same benefits to all of them.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsuufpf0quc4f3@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Dan Gates" <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote in message
>news:auadnZZDP9zV8lKiRVn-iQ@magma.ca...
>> The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Mine is 162, what's your's Lloyd?
>> > It's simple really. The Canadian Government allows X amount of money for
>> > healthcare in a given year. When actual costs exceed that amount, the
>> > patients must wait until more money is found. True costs are much higher
>> > because people feel if they are paying for "free" healthcare then they
>are
>> > going to use it.
>> > For example, in America a guy wakes up with a headache, he takes two
>asperin
>> > and goes about his business. In Canada the same guy would think, hey, I
>> > could take two asperin, but I'm paying half my paycheck every week to
>the
>> > Government for "free" healthcare, I'm going to get my moneys worth. So
>he
>> > heads to the emergengy room for a full examination, at the end of which
>the
>> > Doctor prescribes two asperin. THAT is why your health care plan falls
>short
>> > in every single country it is used in, far to many people visiting the
>> > Emergency room for minor ailments they could treat themselves, simply
>> > because it's "free". Once the budget is spent though, you take a number
>and
>> > wait for new budget appropriations, or you come to America where
>healthcare
>> > comes before budget considerations. You bash our healthcare system, but
>> > people come here from virtually every nation on Earth for treatment,
>because
>> > we have the best hospitals, the best Technology, the best Treatment,
>Period.
>> > Your plan would destroy all that, and not only hurt Americans, but every
>> > criticaly ill patient on Earth who currently benifits from it.
>> > I know this is to complex for your limited intellect to comprehend
>though,
>> > so lets just say that you are wrong again, as you always are.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, that is just the way we do it!!!!
>>
>> Only 50% of the work force shows up for work on any given day because
>> the rest are at the hospital having some ailment or other treated!!!
>>
>> Get a life! The same low-lifes that crowd your "County" ERs for free
>> medicare are crowding our ER for their freebies.
>>
>> Most people using hospital services are their because they need to be!
>>
>> Lets compare, shall we?
>> Can. US
>> Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9
>> Inpatient Care Beds/1,000 pop 20 17
>> Acute Care Beds/1,000 pop 35 29
>>
>> I could go on, but I won't.
>>
>> The US has more practising specialists and physicians than we have here,
>> just nobody can get to them because they are all golfing (|>)) ours just
>> have to work a full day (and then some).
>>
>> I have been in this system for a long time, it works. It doesn't work
>> perfectly for everybody, but it works. I'd rather get really sick here,
>> than really sick there.
>>
>> Dan, from Canada
>
>And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues unabaited.
Urban legend (or coming from you, outright lie).
>To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
>countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You get
>reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but the
>system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting list,
>and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
>treatment.
>
>>
>>
>
>
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Dan Gates" <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote in message
>news:auadnZZDP9zV8lKiRVn-iQ@magma.ca...
>> The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Mine is 162, what's your's Lloyd?
>> > It's simple really. The Canadian Government allows X amount of money for
>> > healthcare in a given year. When actual costs exceed that amount, the
>> > patients must wait until more money is found. True costs are much higher
>> > because people feel if they are paying for "free" healthcare then they
>are
>> > going to use it.
>> > For example, in America a guy wakes up with a headache, he takes two
>asperin
>> > and goes about his business. In Canada the same guy would think, hey, I
>> > could take two asperin, but I'm paying half my paycheck every week to
>the
>> > Government for "free" healthcare, I'm going to get my moneys worth. So
>he
>> > heads to the emergengy room for a full examination, at the end of which
>the
>> > Doctor prescribes two asperin. THAT is why your health care plan falls
>short
>> > in every single country it is used in, far to many people visiting the
>> > Emergency room for minor ailments they could treat themselves, simply
>> > because it's "free". Once the budget is spent though, you take a number
>and
>> > wait for new budget appropriations, or you come to America where
>healthcare
>> > comes before budget considerations. You bash our healthcare system, but
>> > people come here from virtually every nation on Earth for treatment,
>because
>> > we have the best hospitals, the best Technology, the best Treatment,
>Period.
>> > Your plan would destroy all that, and not only hurt Americans, but every
>> > criticaly ill patient on Earth who currently benifits from it.
>> > I know this is to complex for your limited intellect to comprehend
>though,
>> > so lets just say that you are wrong again, as you always are.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, that is just the way we do it!!!!
>>
>> Only 50% of the work force shows up for work on any given day because
>> the rest are at the hospital having some ailment or other treated!!!
>>
>> Get a life! The same low-lifes that crowd your "County" ERs for free
>> medicare are crowding our ER for their freebies.
>>
>> Most people using hospital services are their because they need to be!
>>
>> Lets compare, shall we?
>> Can. US
>> Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9
>> Inpatient Care Beds/1,000 pop 20 17
>> Acute Care Beds/1,000 pop 35 29
>>
>> I could go on, but I won't.
>>
>> The US has more practising specialists and physicians than we have here,
>> just nobody can get to them because they are all golfing (|>)) ours just
>> have to work a full day (and then some).
>>
>> I have been in this system for a long time, it works. It doesn't work
>> perfectly for everybody, but it works. I'd rather get really sick here,
>> than really sick there.
>>
>> Dan, from Canada
>
>And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues unabaited.
Urban legend (or coming from you, outright lie).
>To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
>countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You get
>reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but the
>system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting list,
>and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
>treatment.
>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsuufpf0quc4f3@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Dan Gates" <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote in message
>news:auadnZZDP9zV8lKiRVn-iQ@magma.ca...
>> The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Mine is 162, what's your's Lloyd?
>> > It's simple really. The Canadian Government allows X amount of money for
>> > healthcare in a given year. When actual costs exceed that amount, the
>> > patients must wait until more money is found. True costs are much higher
>> > because people feel if they are paying for "free" healthcare then they
>are
>> > going to use it.
>> > For example, in America a guy wakes up with a headache, he takes two
>asperin
>> > and goes about his business. In Canada the same guy would think, hey, I
>> > could take two asperin, but I'm paying half my paycheck every week to
>the
>> > Government for "free" healthcare, I'm going to get my moneys worth. So
>he
>> > heads to the emergengy room for a full examination, at the end of which
>the
>> > Doctor prescribes two asperin. THAT is why your health care plan falls
>short
>> > in every single country it is used in, far to many people visiting the
>> > Emergency room for minor ailments they could treat themselves, simply
>> > because it's "free". Once the budget is spent though, you take a number
>and
>> > wait for new budget appropriations, or you come to America where
>healthcare
>> > comes before budget considerations. You bash our healthcare system, but
>> > people come here from virtually every nation on Earth for treatment,
>because
>> > we have the best hospitals, the best Technology, the best Treatment,
>Period.
>> > Your plan would destroy all that, and not only hurt Americans, but every
>> > criticaly ill patient on Earth who currently benifits from it.
>> > I know this is to complex for your limited intellect to comprehend
>though,
>> > so lets just say that you are wrong again, as you always are.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, that is just the way we do it!!!!
>>
>> Only 50% of the work force shows up for work on any given day because
>> the rest are at the hospital having some ailment or other treated!!!
>>
>> Get a life! The same low-lifes that crowd your "County" ERs for free
>> medicare are crowding our ER for their freebies.
>>
>> Most people using hospital services are their because they need to be!
>>
>> Lets compare, shall we?
>> Can. US
>> Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9
>> Inpatient Care Beds/1,000 pop 20 17
>> Acute Care Beds/1,000 pop 35 29
>>
>> I could go on, but I won't.
>>
>> The US has more practising specialists and physicians than we have here,
>> just nobody can get to them because they are all golfing (|>)) ours just
>> have to work a full day (and then some).
>>
>> I have been in this system for a long time, it works. It doesn't work
>> perfectly for everybody, but it works. I'd rather get really sick here,
>> than really sick there.
>>
>> Dan, from Canada
>
>And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues unabaited.
Urban legend (or coming from you, outright lie).
>To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
>countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You get
>reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but the
>system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting list,
>and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
>treatment.
>
>>
>>
>
>
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Dan Gates" <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote in message
>news:auadnZZDP9zV8lKiRVn-iQ@magma.ca...
>> The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Mine is 162, what's your's Lloyd?
>> > It's simple really. The Canadian Government allows X amount of money for
>> > healthcare in a given year. When actual costs exceed that amount, the
>> > patients must wait until more money is found. True costs are much higher
>> > because people feel if they are paying for "free" healthcare then they
>are
>> > going to use it.
>> > For example, in America a guy wakes up with a headache, he takes two
>asperin
>> > and goes about his business. In Canada the same guy would think, hey, I
>> > could take two asperin, but I'm paying half my paycheck every week to
>the
>> > Government for "free" healthcare, I'm going to get my moneys worth. So
>he
>> > heads to the emergengy room for a full examination, at the end of which
>the
>> > Doctor prescribes two asperin. THAT is why your health care plan falls
>short
>> > in every single country it is used in, far to many people visiting the
>> > Emergency room for minor ailments they could treat themselves, simply
>> > because it's "free". Once the budget is spent though, you take a number
>and
>> > wait for new budget appropriations, or you come to America where
>healthcare
>> > comes before budget considerations. You bash our healthcare system, but
>> > people come here from virtually every nation on Earth for treatment,
>because
>> > we have the best hospitals, the best Technology, the best Treatment,
>Period.
>> > Your plan would destroy all that, and not only hurt Americans, but every
>> > criticaly ill patient on Earth who currently benifits from it.
>> > I know this is to complex for your limited intellect to comprehend
>though,
>> > so lets just say that you are wrong again, as you always are.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, that is just the way we do it!!!!
>>
>> Only 50% of the work force shows up for work on any given day because
>> the rest are at the hospital having some ailment or other treated!!!
>>
>> Get a life! The same low-lifes that crowd your "County" ERs for free
>> medicare are crowding our ER for their freebies.
>>
>> Most people using hospital services are their because they need to be!
>>
>> Lets compare, shall we?
>> Can. US
>> Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9
>> Inpatient Care Beds/1,000 pop 20 17
>> Acute Care Beds/1,000 pop 35 29
>>
>> I could go on, but I won't.
>>
>> The US has more practising specialists and physicians than we have here,
>> just nobody can get to them because they are all golfing (|>)) ours just
>> have to work a full day (and then some).
>>
>> I have been in this system for a long time, it works. It doesn't work
>> perfectly for everybody, but it works. I'd rather get really sick here,
>> than really sick there.
>>
>> Dan, from Canada
>
>And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues unabaited.
Urban legend (or coming from you, outright lie).
>To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
>countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You get
>reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but the
>system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting list,
>and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
>treatment.
>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsuufpf0quc4f3@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Dan Gates" <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote in message
>news:auadnZZDP9zV8lKiRVn-iQ@magma.ca...
>> The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Mine is 162, what's your's Lloyd?
>> > It's simple really. The Canadian Government allows X amount of money for
>> > healthcare in a given year. When actual costs exceed that amount, the
>> > patients must wait until more money is found. True costs are much higher
>> > because people feel if they are paying for "free" healthcare then they
>are
>> > going to use it.
>> > For example, in America a guy wakes up with a headache, he takes two
>asperin
>> > and goes about his business. In Canada the same guy would think, hey, I
>> > could take two asperin, but I'm paying half my paycheck every week to
>the
>> > Government for "free" healthcare, I'm going to get my moneys worth. So
>he
>> > heads to the emergengy room for a full examination, at the end of which
>the
>> > Doctor prescribes two asperin. THAT is why your health care plan falls
>short
>> > in every single country it is used in, far to many people visiting the
>> > Emergency room for minor ailments they could treat themselves, simply
>> > because it's "free". Once the budget is spent though, you take a number
>and
>> > wait for new budget appropriations, or you come to America where
>healthcare
>> > comes before budget considerations. You bash our healthcare system, but
>> > people come here from virtually every nation on Earth for treatment,
>because
>> > we have the best hospitals, the best Technology, the best Treatment,
>Period.
>> > Your plan would destroy all that, and not only hurt Americans, but every
>> > criticaly ill patient on Earth who currently benifits from it.
>> > I know this is to complex for your limited intellect to comprehend
>though,
>> > so lets just say that you are wrong again, as you always are.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, that is just the way we do it!!!!
>>
>> Only 50% of the work force shows up for work on any given day because
>> the rest are at the hospital having some ailment or other treated!!!
>>
>> Get a life! The same low-lifes that crowd your "County" ERs for free
>> medicare are crowding our ER for their freebies.
>>
>> Most people using hospital services are their because they need to be!
>>
>> Lets compare, shall we?
>> Can. US
>> Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9
>> Inpatient Care Beds/1,000 pop 20 17
>> Acute Care Beds/1,000 pop 35 29
>>
>> I could go on, but I won't.
>>
>> The US has more practising specialists and physicians than we have here,
>> just nobody can get to them because they are all golfing (|>)) ours just
>> have to work a full day (and then some).
>>
>> I have been in this system for a long time, it works. It doesn't work
>> perfectly for everybody, but it works. I'd rather get really sick here,
>> than really sick there.
>>
>> Dan, from Canada
>
>And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues unabaited.
Urban legend (or coming from you, outright lie).
>To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
>countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You get
>reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but the
>system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting list,
>and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
>treatment.
>
>>
>>
>
>
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Dan Gates" <dgates@kellerengineering.com> wrote in message
>news:auadnZZDP9zV8lKiRVn-iQ@magma.ca...
>> The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Mine is 162, what's your's Lloyd?
>> > It's simple really. The Canadian Government allows X amount of money for
>> > healthcare in a given year. When actual costs exceed that amount, the
>> > patients must wait until more money is found. True costs are much higher
>> > because people feel if they are paying for "free" healthcare then they
>are
>> > going to use it.
>> > For example, in America a guy wakes up with a headache, he takes two
>asperin
>> > and goes about his business. In Canada the same guy would think, hey, I
>> > could take two asperin, but I'm paying half my paycheck every week to
>the
>> > Government for "free" healthcare, I'm going to get my moneys worth. So
>he
>> > heads to the emergengy room for a full examination, at the end of which
>the
>> > Doctor prescribes two asperin. THAT is why your health care plan falls
>short
>> > in every single country it is used in, far to many people visiting the
>> > Emergency room for minor ailments they could treat themselves, simply
>> > because it's "free". Once the budget is spent though, you take a number
>and
>> > wait for new budget appropriations, or you come to America where
>healthcare
>> > comes before budget considerations. You bash our healthcare system, but
>> > people come here from virtually every nation on Earth for treatment,
>because
>> > we have the best hospitals, the best Technology, the best Treatment,
>Period.
>> > Your plan would destroy all that, and not only hurt Americans, but every
>> > criticaly ill patient on Earth who currently benifits from it.
>> > I know this is to complex for your limited intellect to comprehend
>though,
>> > so lets just say that you are wrong again, as you always are.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, that is just the way we do it!!!!
>>
>> Only 50% of the work force shows up for work on any given day because
>> the rest are at the hospital having some ailment or other treated!!!
>>
>> Get a life! The same low-lifes that crowd your "County" ERs for free
>> medicare are crowding our ER for their freebies.
>>
>> Most people using hospital services are their because they need to be!
>>
>> Lets compare, shall we?
>> Can. US
>> Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9
>> Inpatient Care Beds/1,000 pop 20 17
>> Acute Care Beds/1,000 pop 35 29
>>
>> I could go on, but I won't.
>>
>> The US has more practising specialists and physicians than we have here,
>> just nobody can get to them because they are all golfing (|>)) ours just
>> have to work a full day (and then some).
>>
>> I have been in this system for a long time, it works. It doesn't work
>> perfectly for everybody, but it works. I'd rather get really sick here,
>> than really sick there.
>>
>> Dan, from Canada
>
>And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues unabaited.
Urban legend (or coming from you, outright lie).
>To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
>countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You get
>reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but the
>system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting list,
>and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
>treatment.
>
>>
>>
>
>
#6365
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsv11ij1evg618@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
>news:027ccc8327688e937bc1d3dddb7c8994@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:49:02 -0500, "The Ancient One"
>> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312032057380.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>>
>> >> Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and
>lodged
>> >> kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful,
>but
>> >> not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
>> >> prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough
>manner.
>> >
>> >You were lucky they still had money in the budget at that time, otherwise
>> >you would have been placed on a waiting list.
>>
>> Have you ever been to Canada?
>
>Yes I have. I also have friends in Canada, England, Scotland, Japan and
>Germany, and I have discussed their "free" healthcare with them many times.
>
>
>
>
Gee, anecdotal evidence is so, well, silly.
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
>news:027ccc8327688e937bc1d3dddb7c8994@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:49:02 -0500, "The Ancient One"
>> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312032057380.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>>
>> >> Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and
>lodged
>> >> kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful,
>but
>> >> not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
>> >> prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough
>manner.
>> >
>> >You were lucky they still had money in the budget at that time, otherwise
>> >you would have been placed on a waiting list.
>>
>> Have you ever been to Canada?
>
>Yes I have. I also have friends in Canada, England, Scotland, Japan and
>Germany, and I have discussed their "free" healthcare with them many times.
>
>
>
>
Gee, anecdotal evidence is so, well, silly.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsv11ij1evg618@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
>news:027ccc8327688e937bc1d3dddb7c8994@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:49:02 -0500, "The Ancient One"
>> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312032057380.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>>
>> >> Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and
>lodged
>> >> kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful,
>but
>> >> not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
>> >> prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough
>manner.
>> >
>> >You were lucky they still had money in the budget at that time, otherwise
>> >you would have been placed on a waiting list.
>>
>> Have you ever been to Canada?
>
>Yes I have. I also have friends in Canada, England, Scotland, Japan and
>Germany, and I have discussed their "free" healthcare with them many times.
>
>
>
>
Gee, anecdotal evidence is so, well, silly.
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
>news:027ccc8327688e937bc1d3dddb7c8994@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:49:02 -0500, "The Ancient One"
>> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312032057380.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>>
>> >> Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and
>lodged
>> >> kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful,
>but
>> >> not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
>> >> prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough
>manner.
>> >
>> >You were lucky they still had money in the budget at that time, otherwise
>> >you would have been placed on a waiting list.
>>
>> Have you ever been to Canada?
>
>Yes I have. I also have friends in Canada, England, Scotland, Japan and
>Germany, and I have discussed their "free" healthcare with them many times.
>
>
>
>
Gee, anecdotal evidence is so, well, silly.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsv11ij1evg618@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
>news:027ccc8327688e937bc1d3dddb7c8994@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:49:02 -0500, "The Ancient One"
>> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312032057380.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>>
>> >> Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and
>lodged
>> >> kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful,
>but
>> >> not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
>> >> prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough
>manner.
>> >
>> >You were lucky they still had money in the budget at that time, otherwise
>> >you would have been placed on a waiting list.
>>
>> Have you ever been to Canada?
>
>Yes I have. I also have friends in Canada, England, Scotland, Japan and
>Germany, and I have discussed their "free" healthcare with them many times.
>
>
>
>
Gee, anecdotal evidence is so, well, silly.
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brandon Sommerville" <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote in message
>news:027ccc8327688e937bc1d3dddb7c8994@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:49:02 -0500, "The Ancient One"
>> <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312032057380.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>>
>> >> Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and
>lodged
>> >> kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful,
>but
>> >> not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
>> >> prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough
>manner.
>> >
>> >You were lucky they still had money in the budget at that time, otherwise
>> >you would have been placed on a waiting list.
>>
>> Have you ever been to Canada?
>
>Yes I have. I also have friends in Canada, England, Scotland, Japan and
>Germany, and I have discussed their "free" healthcare with them many times.
>
>
>
>
Gee, anecdotal evidence is so, well, silly.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsv15g1jlv50f8@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:a1Lzb.3199$WT6.3101@twister.socal.rr.com.. .
>>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312031922420.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>> >
>> > > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>> >
>> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American
>living
>> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
>> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
>> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the
>Canadian
>> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs
>of
>> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>> >
>> > DS
>> >
>>
>> That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
>> everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could
>be
>> a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
>> hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in
>a
>> scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
>> took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
>> the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously
>so,
>> and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up.
>When
>> I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
>> 50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.
>>
>> A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
>> money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
>> because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.
>>
>> The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
>> socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
>> the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
>> private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
>> everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".
>
>For a local example just look at the VA hospitals.
>
>
Ask any veteran if he or she would give that up. Please. Then duck.
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:a1Lzb.3199$WT6.3101@twister.socal.rr.com.. .
>>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312031922420.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>> >
>> > > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>> >
>> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American
>living
>> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
>> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
>> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the
>Canadian
>> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs
>of
>> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>> >
>> > DS
>> >
>>
>> That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
>> everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could
>be
>> a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
>> hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in
>a
>> scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
>> took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
>> the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously
>so,
>> and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up.
>When
>> I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
>> 50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.
>>
>> A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
>> money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
>> because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.
>>
>> The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
>> socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
>> the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
>> private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
>> everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".
>
>For a local example just look at the VA hospitals.
>
>
Ask any veteran if he or she would give that up. Please. Then duck.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsv15g1jlv50f8@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:a1Lzb.3199$WT6.3101@twister.socal.rr.com.. .
>>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312031922420.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>> >
>> > > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>> >
>> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American
>living
>> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
>> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
>> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the
>Canadian
>> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs
>of
>> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>> >
>> > DS
>> >
>>
>> That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
>> everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could
>be
>> a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
>> hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in
>a
>> scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
>> took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
>> the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously
>so,
>> and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up.
>When
>> I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
>> 50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.
>>
>> A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
>> money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
>> because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.
>>
>> The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
>> socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
>> the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
>> private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
>> everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".
>
>For a local example just look at the VA hospitals.
>
>
Ask any veteran if he or she would give that up. Please. Then duck.
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:a1Lzb.3199$WT6.3101@twister.socal.rr.com.. .
>>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312031922420.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>> >
>> > > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>> >
>> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American
>living
>> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
>> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
>> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the
>Canadian
>> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs
>of
>> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>> >
>> > DS
>> >
>>
>> That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
>> everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could
>be
>> a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
>> hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in
>a
>> scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
>> took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
>> the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously
>so,
>> and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up.
>When
>> I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
>> 50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.
>>
>> A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
>> money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
>> because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.
>>
>> The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
>> socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
>> the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
>> private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
>> everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".
>
>For a local example just look at the VA hospitals.
>
>
Ask any veteran if he or she would give that up. Please. Then duck.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <vsv15g1jlv50f8@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:a1Lzb.3199$WT6.3101@twister.socal.rr.com.. .
>>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312031922420.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>> >
>> > > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>> >
>> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American
>living
>> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
>> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
>> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the
>Canadian
>> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs
>of
>> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>> >
>> > DS
>> >
>>
>> That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
>> everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could
>be
>> a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
>> hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in
>a
>> scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
>> took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
>> the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously
>so,
>> and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up.
>When
>> I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
>> 50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.
>>
>> A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
>> money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
>> because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.
>>
>> The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
>> socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
>> the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
>> private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
>> everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".
>
>For a local example just look at the VA hospitals.
>
>
Ask any veteran if he or she would give that up. Please. Then duck.
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:a1Lzb.3199$WT6.3101@twister.socal.rr.com.. .
>>
>> "Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0312031922420.21202-100000@alumni.engin.umich.edu...
>> > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>> >
>> > > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>> >
>> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American
>living
>> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
>> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
>> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the
>Canadian
>> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs
>of
>> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>> >
>> > DS
>> >
>>
>> That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
>> everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could
>be
>> a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
>> hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in
>a
>> scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
>> took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
>> the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously
>so,
>> and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up.
>When
>> I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
>> 50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.
>>
>> A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
>> money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
>> because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.
>>
>> The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
>> socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
>> the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
>> private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
>> everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".
>
>For a local example just look at the VA hospitals.
>
>
Ask any veteran if he or she would give that up. Please. Then duck.