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#5791
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
>
> > Canada's healthcare system sucks.
>
> I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> most of the people at a reasonable cost.
>
> DS
I had exposure to both the UKs socialized medicine and Canadian health
care....run away! A Brit friend was visiting our offices in the States and
took a run up to Toronto to see the Company's Canadian operations. While
there she got the unmistakable signs of appendicitis. The Canadians basicaly
forced her onto a plane to get her over the border to the USA, telling her
she wanted NOTHING to do with the Canadian health care system. EMS met her
at the airport, rushed her to the hospital where she had an emergency
appendectomy within minutes of arrival. She then convalesced for four days
"in hospital", as the Brits would say.
She claimed she'd never received better care, that in the UK she'd have
likely ruptured before they got around to treating her, which might have
been days later. The only way to get health care "on demand" there would be
to have either deep pockets, or as most folks do, private health insurance.
I could go on, but before you think having the Govt. run health care would
be better than what we have, think again. Yeah, our system sucks, but not as
much as the others suck!
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
> So, let's summarize. The question is "Why should marriage be restricted to
> opposite---- couples?" and the very best, most cogent response you can
> come up with is "Because marriage is restricted to opposite---- couples."
>
> DS
Exactly. Or maybe the more cogent response would be "Because a same----
relationship is, by definiton, not marriage since marriage is defined as
a certain relationship between opposite---- couples".
In the same way that, if someone were to ask "Why isn't cutting down a
tree not murder", you would answer "Because cutting down a tree is not
murder" (to use your straw-man circular argument), or perhaps "Because
the word 'murder' is defined as the killing of a human being; trees are
not human beings; therefore cutting down a tree is not murder", and any
reasonable person would get it because they know that the word "murder"
has a meaning in the English language, and so does "marriage".
Bill Putney
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#5793
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
> So, let's summarize. The question is "Why should marriage be restricted to
> opposite---- couples?" and the very best, most cogent response you can
> come up with is "Because marriage is restricted to opposite---- couples."
>
> DS
Exactly. Or maybe the more cogent response would be "Because a same----
relationship is, by definiton, not marriage since marriage is defined as
a certain relationship between opposite---- couples".
In the same way that, if someone were to ask "Why isn't cutting down a
tree not murder", you would answer "Because cutting down a tree is not
murder" (to use your straw-man circular argument), or perhaps "Because
the word 'murder' is defined as the killing of a human being; trees are
not human beings; therefore cutting down a tree is not murder", and any
reasonable person would get it because they know that the word "murder"
has a meaning in the English language, and so does "marriage".
Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
>
> So, let's summarize. The question is "Why should marriage be restricted to
> opposite---- couples?" and the very best, most cogent response you can
> come up with is "Because marriage is restricted to opposite---- couples."
>
> DS
Exactly. Or maybe the more cogent response would be "Because a same----
relationship is, by definiton, not marriage since marriage is defined as
a certain relationship between opposite---- couples".
In the same way that, if someone were to ask "Why isn't cutting down a
tree not murder", you would answer "Because cutting down a tree is not
murder" (to use your straw-man circular argument), or perhaps "Because
the word 'murder' is defined as the killing of a human being; trees are
not human beings; therefore cutting down a tree is not murder", and any
reasonable person would get it because they know that the word "murder"
has a meaning in the English language, and so does "marriage".
Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Approximately 12/3/03 17:45, Bill Putney uttered for posterity:
> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
Thanking both of you in advance for attempting to get back
on-charter and with less crossposting.
> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
Thanking both of you in advance for attempting to get back
on-charter and with less crossposting.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Approximately 12/3/03 17:45, Bill Putney uttered for posterity:
> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
Thanking both of you in advance for attempting to get back
on-charter and with less crossposting.
> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
Thanking both of you in advance for attempting to get back
on-charter and with less crossposting.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Approximately 12/3/03 17:45, Bill Putney uttered for posterity:
> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
Thanking both of you in advance for attempting to get back
on-charter and with less crossposting.
> "Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
Thanking both of you in advance for attempting to get back
on-charter and with less crossposting.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Jerry McG wrote:
> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
> I had exposure to both the UKs socialized medicine and Canadian health
> care....run away! A Brit friend was visiting our offices in the States and
> took a run up to Toronto to see the Company's Canadian operations. While
> there she got the unmistakable signs of appendicitis. The Canadians basicaly
> forced her onto a plane to get her over the border to the USA, telling her
> she wanted NOTHING to do with the Canadian health care system. EMS met her
> at the airport, rushed her to the hospital where she had an emergency
> appendectomy within minutes of arrival. She then convalesced for four days
> "in hospital", as the Brits would say.
So your perception of Canadian healthcare is based on the experience of a
friend of yours who was warned off the system by some unknown other
individuals.
Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and lodged
kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful, but
not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough manner.
I think my firsthand experience beats your fourth-hand crapola.
DS
> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
> I had exposure to both the UKs socialized medicine and Canadian health
> care....run away! A Brit friend was visiting our offices in the States and
> took a run up to Toronto to see the Company's Canadian operations. While
> there she got the unmistakable signs of appendicitis. The Canadians basicaly
> forced her onto a plane to get her over the border to the USA, telling her
> she wanted NOTHING to do with the Canadian health care system. EMS met her
> at the airport, rushed her to the hospital where she had an emergency
> appendectomy within minutes of arrival. She then convalesced for four days
> "in hospital", as the Brits would say.
So your perception of Canadian healthcare is based on the experience of a
friend of yours who was warned off the system by some unknown other
individuals.
Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and lodged
kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful, but
not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough manner.
I think my firsthand experience beats your fourth-hand crapola.
DS
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Jerry McG wrote:
> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
> I had exposure to both the UKs socialized medicine and Canadian health
> care....run away! A Brit friend was visiting our offices in the States and
> took a run up to Toronto to see the Company's Canadian operations. While
> there she got the unmistakable signs of appendicitis. The Canadians basicaly
> forced her onto a plane to get her over the border to the USA, telling her
> she wanted NOTHING to do with the Canadian health care system. EMS met her
> at the airport, rushed her to the hospital where she had an emergency
> appendectomy within minutes of arrival. She then convalesced for four days
> "in hospital", as the Brits would say.
So your perception of Canadian healthcare is based on the experience of a
friend of yours who was warned off the system by some unknown other
individuals.
Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and lodged
kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful, but
not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough manner.
I think my firsthand experience beats your fourth-hand crapola.
DS
> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
> I had exposure to both the UKs socialized medicine and Canadian health
> care....run away! A Brit friend was visiting our offices in the States and
> took a run up to Toronto to see the Company's Canadian operations. While
> there she got the unmistakable signs of appendicitis. The Canadians basicaly
> forced her onto a plane to get her over the border to the USA, telling her
> she wanted NOTHING to do with the Canadian health care system. EMS met her
> at the airport, rushed her to the hospital where she had an emergency
> appendectomy within minutes of arrival. She then convalesced for four days
> "in hospital", as the Brits would say.
So your perception of Canadian healthcare is based on the experience of a
friend of yours who was warned off the system by some unknown other
individuals.
Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and lodged
kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful, but
not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough manner.
I think my firsthand experience beats your fourth-hand crapola.
DS
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Jerry McG wrote:
> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
> I had exposure to both the UKs socialized medicine and Canadian health
> care....run away! A Brit friend was visiting our offices in the States and
> took a run up to Toronto to see the Company's Canadian operations. While
> there she got the unmistakable signs of appendicitis. The Canadians basicaly
> forced her onto a plane to get her over the border to the USA, telling her
> she wanted NOTHING to do with the Canadian health care system. EMS met her
> at the airport, rushed her to the hospital where she had an emergency
> appendectomy within minutes of arrival. She then convalesced for four days
> "in hospital", as the Brits would say.
So your perception of Canadian healthcare is based on the experience of a
friend of yours who was warned off the system by some unknown other
individuals.
Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and lodged
kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful, but
not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough manner.
I think my firsthand experience beats your fourth-hand crapola.
DS
> > I daresay you don't know what you're talking about. I'm an American living
> > here in Canada, and guess what? Canada's healthcare system is *vastly*
> > better than the US system in the vast majority of cases. Are there
> > exceptions? Surely. There's no such thing as perfection. But the Canadian
> > system does a much better job of handling most of the healthcare needs of
> > most of the people at a reasonable cost.
> I had exposure to both the UKs socialized medicine and Canadian health
> care....run away! A Brit friend was visiting our offices in the States and
> took a run up to Toronto to see the Company's Canadian operations. While
> there she got the unmistakable signs of appendicitis. The Canadians basicaly
> forced her onto a plane to get her over the border to the USA, telling her
> she wanted NOTHING to do with the Canadian health care system. EMS met her
> at the airport, rushed her to the hospital where she had an emergency
> appendectomy within minutes of arrival. She then convalesced for four days
> "in hospital", as the Brits would say.
So your perception of Canadian healthcare is based on the experience of a
friend of yours who was warned off the system by some unknown other
individuals.
Mine is based on getting very suddenly struck down with a large and lodged
kidney stone at 4 in the morning while in Toronto. Extremely painful, but
not life threatening. I was diagnosed, treated, operated upon and
prescribed suitable meds in a fast, efficient, capable, thorough manner.
I think my firsthand experience beats your fourth-hand crapola.
DS