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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <bqinb6$him$8@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on health
> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for insurance
> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on health
> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for insurance
> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <bqinb6$him$8@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on health
> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for insurance
> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
> Yeah, it'd be terrible if everybody were covered and we spent less on health
> care, as Europe, Canada, and Japan do, wouldn't it? Terrible for insurance
> companies, drug companies, HMOs, etc, that is.
How would we spend "less on health care" ? Instead of paying for health
insurance we would pay *AT LEAST* that much in additional taxes.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b5b4685f.0312020923.3846648c@posting.google.c om...
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<SNLyb.60941$t01.26184@twister.socal.rr.com>. ..
> > "z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:b5b4685f.0312010806.78d80d53@posting.google.c om...
> > > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:<bqbpqa021gd@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> > > > > I'd rather take my chances with global warming rather than turn
> > control
> > > > over to the wackos who have grabbed onto the global warming scenario
as
> > a
> > > > way to force the implementation of their ideas of how I should live.
If
> > > > global warming wasn't
> > > > available, the wackos would have to create it, or something else
like it
> > so
> > > > they can have an excuse for forcing the implementation of their
ideas.>
> > > >
> > > > Bravo, Ed! These people are attempting to impose their own social
> > > > reengineering upon everyone based upon their own crypto-communist
> > ideals.
> > > > They hate capitalism and the abilities of free peoples to do as they
> > choose.
> > > > They latched onto this madness when people actually took them
seriously
> > 30
> > > > years ago that a "new ice age" was upon us, when that fell apart
they
> > > > concocted this latest scam. The more people pillory these arrogant
> > bastards
> > > > the better off we'll all be.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, that's a requirement for a grant, like your predecessors here
> > > say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> > > capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> > > middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> > > Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> > This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> > morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> > the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> > you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> > personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> > like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
> >
> > The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> > Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> > corporations".
>
> Yes, that makes great sense from the rightwingnut position that
> science is that which fights Socialism, Communism, and gay marriage,
> all as defined by the rightwingnuts. It all started with that
> sonofabitch Galileo and his immoral socialist assertion that the sun
> did not revolve around the earth, as the bible clearly states.
Now you're going over the edge. Extreme environmentalists have written a
check against science that has insufficient funds to cash. A true scientist
would not entangle himself with left wing politics and recognize the
limitations of the current state of science. There's a nexus between
extreme environmentalism and anti-capitalist/anti-corporate politics. You
can see it in the anti-corporate, anti-global trade demonstrations. You can
see it in the Kyoto protocol. You can see it in the Green party platform.
Lefties have been waving around the terms "moral" and "science" in a whole
new way, redefined to fit their points of view and replace traditional
definitions. The argument on global warming and what to do about it would
be more productive if it only were just a scientific discussion.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b5b4685f.0312020923.3846648c@posting.google.c om...
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<SNLyb.60941$t01.26184@twister.socal.rr.com>. ..
> > "z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:b5b4685f.0312010806.78d80d53@posting.google.c om...
> > > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:<bqbpqa021gd@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> > > > > I'd rather take my chances with global warming rather than turn
> > control
> > > > over to the wackos who have grabbed onto the global warming scenario
as
> > a
> > > > way to force the implementation of their ideas of how I should live.
If
> > > > global warming wasn't
> > > > available, the wackos would have to create it, or something else
like it
> > so
> > > > they can have an excuse for forcing the implementation of their
ideas.>
> > > >
> > > > Bravo, Ed! These people are attempting to impose their own social
> > > > reengineering upon everyone based upon their own crypto-communist
> > ideals.
> > > > They hate capitalism and the abilities of free peoples to do as they
> > choose.
> > > > They latched onto this madness when people actually took them
seriously
> > 30
> > > > years ago that a "new ice age" was upon us, when that fell apart
they
> > > > concocted this latest scam. The more people pillory these arrogant
> > bastards
> > > > the better off we'll all be.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, that's a requirement for a grant, like your predecessors here
> > > say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> > > capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> > > middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> > > Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> > This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> > morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> > the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> > you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> > personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> > like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
> >
> > The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> > Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> > corporations".
>
> Yes, that makes great sense from the rightwingnut position that
> science is that which fights Socialism, Communism, and gay marriage,
> all as defined by the rightwingnuts. It all started with that
> sonofabitch Galileo and his immoral socialist assertion that the sun
> did not revolve around the earth, as the bible clearly states.
Now you're going over the edge. Extreme environmentalists have written a
check against science that has insufficient funds to cash. A true scientist
would not entangle himself with left wing politics and recognize the
limitations of the current state of science. There's a nexus between
extreme environmentalism and anti-capitalist/anti-corporate politics. You
can see it in the anti-corporate, anti-global trade demonstrations. You can
see it in the Kyoto protocol. You can see it in the Green party platform.
Lefties have been waving around the terms "moral" and "science" in a whole
new way, redefined to fit their points of view and replace traditional
definitions. The argument on global warming and what to do about it would
be more productive if it only were just a scientific discussion.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b5b4685f.0312020923.3846648c@posting.google.c om...
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<SNLyb.60941$t01.26184@twister.socal.rr.com>. ..
> > "z" <gzuckier@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:b5b4685f.0312010806.78d80d53@posting.google.c om...
> > > "Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:<bqbpqa021gd@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> > > > > I'd rather take my chances with global warming rather than turn
> > control
> > > > over to the wackos who have grabbed onto the global warming scenario
as
> > a
> > > > way to force the implementation of their ideas of how I should live.
If
> > > > global warming wasn't
> > > > available, the wackos would have to create it, or something else
like it
> > so
> > > > they can have an excuse for forcing the implementation of their
ideas.>
> > > >
> > > > Bravo, Ed! These people are attempting to impose their own social
> > > > reengineering upon everyone based upon their own crypto-communist
> > ideals.
> > > > They hate capitalism and the abilities of free peoples to do as they
> > choose.
> > > > They latched onto this madness when people actually took them
seriously
> > 30
> > > > years ago that a "new ice age" was upon us, when that fell apart
they
> > > > concocted this latest scam. The more people pillory these arrogant
> > bastards
> > > > the better off we'll all be.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, that's a requirement for a grant, like your predecessors here
> > > say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> > > capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> > > middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> > > Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> > This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> > morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> > the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> > you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> > personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> > like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
> >
> > The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> > Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> > corporations".
>
> Yes, that makes great sense from the rightwingnut position that
> science is that which fights Socialism, Communism, and gay marriage,
> all as defined by the rightwingnuts. It all started with that
> sonofabitch Galileo and his immoral socialist assertion that the sun
> did not revolve around the earth, as the bible clearly states.
Now you're going over the edge. Extreme environmentalists have written a
check against science that has insufficient funds to cash. A true scientist
would not entangle himself with left wing politics and recognize the
limitations of the current state of science. There's a nexus between
extreme environmentalism and anti-capitalist/anti-corporate politics. You
can see it in the anti-corporate, anti-global trade demonstrations. You can
see it in the Kyoto protocol. You can see it in the Green party platform.
Lefties have been waving around the terms "moral" and "science" in a whole
new way, redefined to fit their points of view and replace traditional
definitions. The argument on global warming and what to do about it would
be more productive if it only were just a scientific discussion.
#5366
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
> >> Yeah, that's a requirement for a grant, like your predecessors here
> >> say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> >> capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> >> middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> >> Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> >This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> >morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> >the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> >you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> >personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> >like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
>
> Spoken like a good little creationist.
>
Who? Me? I don't buy into "Creation Science". But the lefts redefinition
of "morality" and "science" is no different than what Creationists do to
force fit science into Genesis. Only it's force fit of science (and
religion) into anti-capitalism.
> >
> >The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> >Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> >corporations".
> >
> >
> And the folks standing behind you and your ilk are Fascists and *****.
Want
> to call names? OK.
Not at all. When you see who shows up to those anti-globalist
(anti-corporate) demonstrations you see Socialist signs and booths all over
the place. No "name" calling was intended. And if you're looking for nasty
names to fit conservatives, you're really missing the mark with Fascist and
****. Those are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, away from
limited government.
> >> say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> >> capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> >> middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> >> Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> >This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> >morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> >the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> >you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> >personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> >like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
>
> Spoken like a good little creationist.
>
Who? Me? I don't buy into "Creation Science". But the lefts redefinition
of "morality" and "science" is no different than what Creationists do to
force fit science into Genesis. Only it's force fit of science (and
religion) into anti-capitalism.
> >
> >The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> >Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> >corporations".
> >
> >
> And the folks standing behind you and your ilk are Fascists and *****.
Want
> to call names? OK.
Not at all. When you see who shows up to those anti-globalist
(anti-corporate) demonstrations you see Socialist signs and booths all over
the place. No "name" calling was intended. And if you're looking for nasty
names to fit conservatives, you're really missing the mark with Fascist and
****. Those are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, away from
limited government.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
> >> Yeah, that's a requirement for a grant, like your predecessors here
> >> say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> >> capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> >> middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> >> Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> >This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> >morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> >the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> >you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> >personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> >like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
>
> Spoken like a good little creationist.
>
Who? Me? I don't buy into "Creation Science". But the lefts redefinition
of "morality" and "science" is no different than what Creationists do to
force fit science into Genesis. Only it's force fit of science (and
religion) into anti-capitalism.
> >
> >The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> >Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> >corporations".
> >
> >
> And the folks standing behind you and your ilk are Fascists and *****.
Want
> to call names? OK.
Not at all. When you see who shows up to those anti-globalist
(anti-corporate) demonstrations you see Socialist signs and booths all over
the place. No "name" calling was intended. And if you're looking for nasty
names to fit conservatives, you're really missing the mark with Fascist and
****. Those are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, away from
limited government.
> >> say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> >> capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> >> middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> >> Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> >This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> >morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> >the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> >you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> >personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> >like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
>
> Spoken like a good little creationist.
>
Who? Me? I don't buy into "Creation Science". But the lefts redefinition
of "morality" and "science" is no different than what Creationists do to
force fit science into Genesis. Only it's force fit of science (and
religion) into anti-capitalism.
> >
> >The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> >Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> >corporations".
> >
> >
> And the folks standing behind you and your ilk are Fascists and *****.
Want
> to call names? OK.
Not at all. When you see who shows up to those anti-globalist
(anti-corporate) demonstrations you see Socialist signs and booths all over
the place. No "name" calling was intended. And if you're looking for nasty
names to fit conservatives, you're really missing the mark with Fascist and
****. Those are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, away from
limited government.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
> >> Yeah, that's a requirement for a grant, like your predecessors here
> >> say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> >> capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> >> middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> >> Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> >This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> >morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> >the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> >you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> >personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> >like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
>
> Spoken like a good little creationist.
>
Who? Me? I don't buy into "Creation Science". But the lefts redefinition
of "morality" and "science" is no different than what Creationists do to
force fit science into Genesis. Only it's force fit of science (and
religion) into anti-capitalism.
> >
> >The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> >Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> >corporations".
> >
> >
> And the folks standing behind you and your ilk are Fascists and *****.
Want
> to call names? OK.
Not at all. When you see who shows up to those anti-globalist
(anti-corporate) demonstrations you see Socialist signs and booths all over
the place. No "name" calling was intended. And if you're looking for nasty
names to fit conservatives, you're really missing the mark with Fascist and
****. Those are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, away from
limited government.
> >> say. You have to say 'and if funded, this project will destroy
> >> capitalism and further the crypto-communist agenda, destroying the
> >> middle class life style of myself and others like me and my family'.
> >> Bravo, you've figured it out. Down with science!!!
> >
> >This is the strategy of the left. When they find them on the wrong side
of
> >morality, they redefine morality. Now it's science. If you disagree
with
> >the "science" of global warming (and the global disaster it leads to)
then
> >you reject science. Likewise, morality is no longer fidelity, honesty,
> >personal responsibility. It's now support for the policies of the left,
> >like gay marriage and adopting the Kyoto protocol.
>
> Spoken like a good little creationist.
>
Who? Me? I don't buy into "Creation Science". But the lefts redefinition
of "morality" and "science" is no different than what Creationists do to
force fit science into Genesis. Only it's force fit of science (and
religion) into anti-capitalism.
> >
> >The groups standing behind extreme environmentalists are Socialists and
> >Communists. They are idealogical siblings to protect people from "evil
> >corporations".
> >
> >
> And the folks standing behind you and your ilk are Fascists and *****.
Want
> to call names? OK.
Not at all. When you see who shows up to those anti-globalist
(anti-corporate) demonstrations you see Socialist signs and booths all over
the place. No "name" calling was intended. And if you're looking for nasty
names to fit conservatives, you're really missing the mark with Fascist and
****. Those are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, away from
limited government.
#5369
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bqimqg$him$4@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <MfVyb.61262$t01.28458@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01...
> >> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation"
wherein
> >> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then,
when
> >> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy
goes
> >> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't
afford
> >> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced
> >> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one
> >> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out
their
> >> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> >> > government.
> >>
> >> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
> >> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.
> >>
> >>
> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free"
> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped
the
> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people
with
> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait
in
> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care.
>
> As opposed to here, where if you don't have insurance, or aren't rich, you
> either go bankrupt or do without any care?
>
Hardly the only choices facing the uninsured and non-rich. Maybe you wish
that was really the case to give more weight to the feds taking over medical
care.
> >
> >This is the template one could overlay anything. Energy, Healthcare,
Food,
> >etc., etc. Those who support Kyoto are lefties and the farther left you
go,
> >the more strident the support for Kyoto. The "rich" are the ones one
need
> >to be reigned in so the "poor" will have a chance.
> >
> >
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bqimqg$him$4@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <MfVyb.61262$t01.28458@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:NHTyb.384552$HS4.3166098@attbi_s01...
> >> In article <3FCBD92E.AA0EBC33@kinez.net>, Bill Putney wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think z would go for the California model for "conservation"
wherein
> >> > you legally ban the building of power generation facilities, then,
when
> >> > the demand far outstrips the supply capacity, the price for energy
goes
> >> > up so high that everyone turns their a.c. off because they can't
afford
> >> > to run them - everybody wins because, once again, everyone is forced
> >> > down to the same level of misery - equality achieved at last. Oh one
> >> > catch - the people responsible aren't even allowed to finish out
their
> >> > term due to the anger of the recipients of the benevolence of the
> >> > government.
> >>
> >> You forgot the best aspect. The rich elites can still afford the
> >> higher rates and can keep their AC on without any supply problems.
> >>
> >>
> >Reminds me of my experience in a country a few years ago that had "free"
> >(i.e., rationed) medical care for all. The demand for care outstripped
the
> >supply and the only people who got decent medical care were the people
with
> >money, who could pay for a private doctor. Everyone else had to go wait
in
> >line at the clinic and hope for decent care.
>
> As opposed to here, where if you don't have insurance, or aren't rich, you
> either go bankrupt or do without any care?
>
Hardly the only choices facing the uninsured and non-rich. Maybe you wish
that was really the case to give more weight to the feds taking over medical
care.
> >
> >This is the template one could overlay anything. Energy, Healthcare,
Food,
> >etc., etc. Those who support Kyoto are lefties and the farther left you
go,
> >the more strident the support for Kyoto. The "rich" are the ones one
need
> >to be reigned in so the "poor" will have a chance.
> >
> >