Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bpild2$rom$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> > In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> > "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> > >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda
> sources.>
> > >
> > >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist
press,
> > >looney-left websites, etc.?
> > >
> > >
> > No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> > National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
>
> The same groups that claimed we were heading into a new ice age in 1975.
>
>
http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm
A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic
and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average
ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968.
Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery.
"Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as
fragmentary as our data," concedes the National Academy of Sciences report.
"Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many
cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions."
"The world's food-producing system," warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA's
Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, "is much more sensitive to
the weather variable than it was even five years ago." Furthermore, the
growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it
impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as
they did during past famines.
Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any
positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its
effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed,
such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or
diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they
solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are
even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of
introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections
of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult
will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim
reality.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bpild2$rom$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> > In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> > "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> > >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda
> sources.>
> > >
> > >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist
press,
> > >looney-left websites, etc.?
> > >
> > >
> > No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> > National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
>
> The same groups that claimed we were heading into a new ice age in 1975.
>
>
http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm
A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic
and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average
ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968.
Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery.
"Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as
fragmentary as our data," concedes the National Academy of Sciences report.
"Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many
cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions."
"The world's food-producing system," warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA's
Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, "is much more sensitive to
the weather variable than it was even five years ago." Furthermore, the
growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it
impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as
they did during past famines.
Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any
positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its
effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed,
such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or
diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they
solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are
even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of
introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections
of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult
will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim
reality.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> news:bpild2$rom$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> > In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> > "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> > >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda
> sources.>
> > >
> > >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist
press,
> > >looney-left websites, etc.?
> > >
> > >
> > No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> > National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
>
> The same groups that claimed we were heading into a new ice age in 1975.
>
>
http://www.globalclimate.org/Newsweek.htm
A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic
and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average
ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968.
Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery.
"Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as
fragmentary as our data," concedes the National Academy of Sciences report.
"Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many
cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions."
"The world's food-producing system," warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA's
Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, "is much more sensitive to
the weather variable than it was even five years ago." Furthermore, the
growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it
impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as
they did during past famines.
Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any
positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its
effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed,
such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or
diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they
solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are
even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of
introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections
of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult
will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim
reality.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
global warming llogic telegraph
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda sources.>
> >
> >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist press,
> >looney-left websites, etc.?
> >
> >
> No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
"The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the
findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice
cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures
prevailing at sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today."
. . .
"Dr Philip Stott, the professor emeritus of bio-geography at the University of
London, told The Telegraph: "What has been forgotten in all the discussion about
global warming is a proper sense of history."
According to Prof Stott, the evidence also undermines doom-laden predictions
about the effect of higher global temperatures. "During the Medieval Warm
Period, the world was warmer even than today, and history shows that it was a
wonderful period of plenty for everyone.""
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda sources.>
> >
> >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist press,
> >looney-left websites, etc.?
> >
> >
> No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
"The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the
findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice
cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures
prevailing at sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today."
. . .
"Dr Philip Stott, the professor emeritus of bio-geography at the University of
London, told The Telegraph: "What has been forgotten in all the discussion about
global warming is a proper sense of history."
According to Prof Stott, the evidence also undermines doom-laden predictions
about the effect of higher global temperatures. "During the Medieval Warm
Period, the world was warmer even than today, and history shows that it was a
wonderful period of plenty for everyone.""
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
global warming llogic telegraph
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda sources.>
> >
> >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist press,
> >looney-left websites, etc.?
> >
> >
> No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
"The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the
findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice
cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures
prevailing at sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today."
. . .
"Dr Philip Stott, the professor emeritus of bio-geography at the University of
London, told The Telegraph: "What has been forgotten in all the discussion about
global warming is a proper sense of history."
According to Prof Stott, the evidence also undermines doom-laden predictions
about the effect of higher global temperatures. "During the Medieval Warm
Period, the world was warmer even than today, and history shows that it was a
wonderful period of plenty for everyone.""
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda sources.>
> >
> >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist press,
> >looney-left websites, etc.?
> >
> >
> No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
"The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the
findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice
cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures
prevailing at sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today."
. . .
"Dr Philip Stott, the professor emeritus of bio-geography at the University of
London, told The Telegraph: "What has been forgotten in all the discussion about
global warming is a proper sense of history."
According to Prof Stott, the evidence also undermines doom-laden predictions
about the effect of higher global temperatures. "During the Medieval Warm
Period, the world was warmer even than today, and history shows that it was a
wonderful period of plenty for everyone.""
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
#4696
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
global warming llogic telegraph
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda sources.>
> >
> >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist press,
> >looney-left websites, etc.?
> >
> >
> No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
"The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the
findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice
cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures
prevailing at sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today."
. . .
"Dr Philip Stott, the professor emeritus of bio-geography at the University of
London, told The Telegraph: "What has been forgotten in all the discussion about
global warming is a proper sense of history."
According to Prof Stott, the evidence also undermines doom-laden predictions
about the effect of higher global temperatures. "During the Medieval Warm
Period, the world was warmer even than today, and history shows that it was a
wonderful period of plenty for everyone.""
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda sources.>
> >
> >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist press,
> >looney-left websites, etc.?
> >
> >
> No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
"The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the
findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice
cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures
prevailing at sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today."
. . .
"Dr Philip Stott, the professor emeritus of bio-geography at the University of
London, told The Telegraph: "What has been forgotten in all the discussion about
global warming is a proper sense of history."
According to Prof Stott, the evidence also undermines doom-laden predictions
about the effect of higher global temperatures. "During the Medieval Warm
Period, the world was warmer even than today, and history shows that it was a
wonderful period of plenty for everyone.""
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <FAllb.10282$W16.1400@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
> "Joe" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"global warming is as established fact"
>
> Yes.
>
> >Fact? Every "fact" you post will be contradicted by an equally credible
> >fact from the other (correct) side...
>
> No. Look at the scientific literature, look at IPCC, look at NASA, look at
> NOAA, look at EPA, look at National Academy of Sciences.
>
> As I said, it's as settled as atoms, gravity, relativity, evolution, etc.
Oh, ok. So, where are the "settled" equations of global warming? With Atoms, we
have empirical data, such as the Mole, Avogadro's Number and Molar Mass's number
that we can use to predict what will happen. So tell us how many degrees the
globe will warm between now and 2010 please and show us how you obtained that
figure? After all, global warming is just as settled as gravity, with its known
and quantifiable laws according to you. Gravity will accelerate mass at
9.8/s/s, how fast will the globe warm 2 degrees in the future?
"A review of more than 240 scientific studies has shown that today's temperatures
are neither the warmest over the past millennium, nor are they producing the most
extreme weather - in stark contrast to the claims of the environmentalists.
The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University [I suppose Harvard
University is a real right wing hot spot, right Lloyd?], examined the findings of
studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice cores and
historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at
sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today.
They also confirm claims that a Little Ice Age set in around 1300, during which
the world cooled dramatically. Since 1900, the world has begun to warm up again -
but has still to reach the balmy temperatures of the Middle Ages.
The timing of the end of the Little Ice Age is especially significant, as it
implies that the records used by climate scientists date from a time when the
Earth was relatively cold, thereby exaggerating the significance of today's
temperature rise."
CITE:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
#4698
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <FAllb.10282$W16.1400@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
> "Joe" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"global warming is as established fact"
>
> Yes.
>
> >Fact? Every "fact" you post will be contradicted by an equally credible
> >fact from the other (correct) side...
>
> No. Look at the scientific literature, look at IPCC, look at NASA, look at
> NOAA, look at EPA, look at National Academy of Sciences.
>
> As I said, it's as settled as atoms, gravity, relativity, evolution, etc.
Oh, ok. So, where are the "settled" equations of global warming? With Atoms, we
have empirical data, such as the Mole, Avogadro's Number and Molar Mass's number
that we can use to predict what will happen. So tell us how many degrees the
globe will warm between now and 2010 please and show us how you obtained that
figure? After all, global warming is just as settled as gravity, with its known
and quantifiable laws according to you. Gravity will accelerate mass at
9.8/s/s, how fast will the globe warm 2 degrees in the future?
"A review of more than 240 scientific studies has shown that today's temperatures
are neither the warmest over the past millennium, nor are they producing the most
extreme weather - in stark contrast to the claims of the environmentalists.
The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University [I suppose Harvard
University is a real right wing hot spot, right Lloyd?], examined the findings of
studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice cores and
historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at
sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today.
They also confirm claims that a Little Ice Age set in around 1300, during which
the world cooled dramatically. Since 1900, the world has begun to warm up again -
but has still to reach the balmy temperatures of the Middle Ages.
The timing of the end of the Little Ice Age is especially significant, as it
implies that the records used by climate scientists date from a time when the
Earth was relatively cold, thereby exaggerating the significance of today's
temperature rise."
CITE:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
#4699
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <FAllb.10282$W16.1400@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
> "Joe" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"global warming is as established fact"
>
> Yes.
>
> >Fact? Every "fact" you post will be contradicted by an equally credible
> >fact from the other (correct) side...
>
> No. Look at the scientific literature, look at IPCC, look at NASA, look at
> NOAA, look at EPA, look at National Academy of Sciences.
>
> As I said, it's as settled as atoms, gravity, relativity, evolution, etc.
Oh, ok. So, where are the "settled" equations of global warming? With Atoms, we
have empirical data, such as the Mole, Avogadro's Number and Molar Mass's number
that we can use to predict what will happen. So tell us how many degrees the
globe will warm between now and 2010 please and show us how you obtained that
figure? After all, global warming is just as settled as gravity, with its known
and quantifiable laws according to you. Gravity will accelerate mass at
9.8/s/s, how fast will the globe warm 2 degrees in the future?
"A review of more than 240 scientific studies has shown that today's temperatures
are neither the warmest over the past millennium, nor are they producing the most
extreme weather - in stark contrast to the claims of the environmentalists.
The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University [I suppose Harvard
University is a real right wing hot spot, right Lloyd?], examined the findings of
studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice cores and
historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at
sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today.
They also confirm claims that a Little Ice Age set in around 1300, during which
the world cooled dramatically. Since 1900, the world has begun to warm up again -
but has still to reach the balmy temperatures of the Middle Ages.
The timing of the end of the Little Ice Age is especially significant, as it
implies that the records used by climate scientists date from a time when the
Earth was relatively cold, thereby exaggerating the significance of today's
temperature rise."
CITE:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml
#4700
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <bpg9t30i20@enews2.newsguy.com>,
> "Jerry McGeorge" <gmcgeorge.REMOVE@frontier.net> wrote:
> >> I wish you wouldn't get your "facts" from right-wing propaganda sources.>
> >
> >As opposed to what, your lefty friends in academia, the socialist press,
> >looney-left websites, etc.?
> >
> >
> No, peer-reviewed scientific journals and groups like NASA, NOAA, EPA,
> National Aacdemy of Sciences, etc.
Middle Ages were warmer than today, say scientists
By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent
(Filed: 06/04/2003)
Claims that man-made pollution is causing "unprecedented" global warming have
been seriously undermined by new research which shows that the Earth was warmer
during the Middle Ages.
From the outset of the global warming debate in the late 1980s,
environmentalists have said that temperatures are rising higher and faster than
ever before, leading some scientists to conclude that greenhouse gases from cars
and power stations are causing these "record-breaking" global temperatures.
Last year, scientists working for the UK Climate Impacts Programme said that
global temperatures were "the hottest since records began" and added: "We are
pretty sure that climate change due to human activity is here and it's
accelerating."
This announcement followed research published in 1998, when scientists at the
Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia declared that the 1990s
had been hotter than any other period for 1,000 years.
Such claims have now been sharply contradicted by the most comprehensive study
yet of global temperature over the past 1,000 years. A review of more than 240
scientific studies has shown that today's temperatures are neither the warmest
over the past millennium, nor are they producing the most extreme weather - in
stark contrast to the claims of the environmentalists.
The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the findings
of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice cores and
historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing
at sites around the world.
The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the
ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than
today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/nclim06.xml