Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#3711
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <yLOdnbTulOtwLzaiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>,
russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>In article <boe5a7$i0q$4@puck.cc.emory.edu>,
>Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>>
>>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
>
>Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
>nature anyway).
Gee, you know more science than the thousands in IPCC, EPA, NASA, NOAA,
National Academy of Sciences, and American Geophysical Union!
>
>Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
>single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
>eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
>the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
>time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
>CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
>And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>In article <boe5a7$i0q$4@puck.cc.emory.edu>,
>Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>>
>>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
>
>Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
>nature anyway).
Gee, you know more science than the thousands in IPCC, EPA, NASA, NOAA,
National Academy of Sciences, and American Geophysical Union!
>
>Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
>single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
>eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
>the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
>time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
>CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
>And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
#3712
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <yLOdnbTulOtwLzaiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>,
russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>In article <boe5a7$i0q$4@puck.cc.emory.edu>,
>Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>>
>>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
>
>Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
>nature anyway).
Gee, you know more science than the thousands in IPCC, EPA, NASA, NOAA,
National Academy of Sciences, and American Geophysical Union!
>
>Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
>single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
>eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
>the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
>time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
>CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
>And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>In article <boe5a7$i0q$4@puck.cc.emory.edu>,
>Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>>
>>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
>
>Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
>nature anyway).
Gee, you know more science than the thousands in IPCC, EPA, NASA, NOAA,
National Academy of Sciences, and American Geophysical Union!
>
>Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
>single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
>eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
>the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
>time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
>CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
>And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
#3713
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Erik Aronesty wrote:
>
> > way it was written. Maybe Howard Dean can fix all this after he wins the
> > Presidency....
>
> Well, according to him:
>
> The biggest lie that people like me tell people like you is, "Elect me
> and I'll solve all your problems." The truth is, the future of
> America lies in your hands, not mine. - Howard Dean
>
> One man can barely fix a leaky pipe, let alone a country.
>
> America will heal itself. We're just letting Dean along for the ride
> because we think he's going to listen to the average guy... instead of
> the wealthy few.
Well he just offended 95% of the "average guy" in the last couple of
days with his spastic tap dancing. Al Sharpton still hasn't decided if
he'll accept his apology as a representative of "all the black people".
Like they say: "You couldn't write this stuff!".
Bill Putney
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Erik Aronesty wrote:
>
> > way it was written. Maybe Howard Dean can fix all this after he wins the
> > Presidency....
>
> Well, according to him:
>
> The biggest lie that people like me tell people like you is, "Elect me
> and I'll solve all your problems." The truth is, the future of
> America lies in your hands, not mine. - Howard Dean
>
> One man can barely fix a leaky pipe, let alone a country.
>
> America will heal itself. We're just letting Dean along for the ride
> because we think he's going to listen to the average guy... instead of
> the wealthy few.
Well he just offended 95% of the "average guy" in the last couple of
days with his spastic tap dancing. Al Sharpton still hasn't decided if
he'll accept his apology as a representative of "all the black people".
Like they say: "You couldn't write this stuff!".
Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Erik Aronesty wrote:
>
> > way it was written. Maybe Howard Dean can fix all this after he wins the
> > Presidency....
>
> Well, according to him:
>
> The biggest lie that people like me tell people like you is, "Elect me
> and I'll solve all your problems." The truth is, the future of
> America lies in your hands, not mine. - Howard Dean
>
> One man can barely fix a leaky pipe, let alone a country.
>
> America will heal itself. We're just letting Dean along for the ride
> because we think he's going to listen to the average guy... instead of
> the wealthy few.
Well he just offended 95% of the "average guy" in the last couple of
days with his spastic tap dancing. Al Sharpton still hasn't decided if
he'll accept his apology as a representative of "all the black people".
Like they say: "You couldn't write this stuff!".
Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <boe5a7$i0q$4@puck.cc.emory.edu>,
Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>
>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
nature anyway).
Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>
>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
nature anyway).
Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
#3717
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <boe5a7$i0q$4@puck.cc.emory.edu>,
Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>
>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
nature anyway).
Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>
>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
nature anyway).
Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
#3718
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <boe5a7$i0q$4@puck.cc.emory.edu>,
Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>
>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
nature anyway).
Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
Lloyd Parker <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote:
>
>CO2 put into the air by nature has been in balance for millions of years.
>It's man changing this equilibrium that's the problem.
Man's hardly making a dent. (and man is not exactly separate from
nature anyway).
Now, you want to talk about pollution, at one time there were these
single-celled organisms that released as waste a corrosive gas which
eventually became up to 30% of the atmosphere. MAJOR die-offs then,
the stuff was deadly poison to nearly all the organisms alive at the
time. And perfectly natural, too. Man? Man's a piker. Pushed up
CO2 levels a little maybe, but not even anywhere near all-time highs.
And the stuff's nowhere near as toxic as the earlier gas.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
#3719
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <LYudnZB0QpIGPzeiRTvUqA@texas.net>, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>
>More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
>Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
>conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
>levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
>terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
>is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
>values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
>different ways.
That's one model. A better model is a single-nap cone, with the apex
at the bottom. Towards the wide end of the cone, individual rights.
Towards the narrow, less. The usual spectrum is a closed curve drawn
on the surface of this cone; your circle is a projection of it.
The curve is dropping quickly towards the apex.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
>Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
>conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
>levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
>terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
>is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
>values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
>different ways.
That's one model. A better model is a single-nap cone, with the apex
at the bottom. Towards the wide end of the cone, individual rights.
Towards the narrow, less. The usual spectrum is a closed curve drawn
on the surface of this cone; your circle is a projection of it.
The curve is dropping quickly towards the apex.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
#3720
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <LYudnZB0QpIGPzeiRTvUqA@texas.net>, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>
>More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
>Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
>conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
>levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
>terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
>is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
>values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
>different ways.
That's one model. A better model is a single-nap cone, with the apex
at the bottom. Towards the wide end of the cone, individual rights.
Towards the narrow, less. The usual spectrum is a closed curve drawn
on the surface of this cone; your circle is a projection of it.
The curve is dropping quickly towards the apex.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
>Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
>conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
>levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
>terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
>is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
>values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
>different ways.
That's one model. A better model is a single-nap cone, with the apex
at the bottom. Towards the wide end of the cone, individual rights.
Towards the narrow, less. The usual spectrum is a closed curve drawn
on the surface of this cone; your circle is a projection of it.
The curve is dropping quickly towards the apex.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.