Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#3421
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <boe695$i0q$21@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>>"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> But I have to admit, this is the product of experience.
<snip>
>>You've learned from experience, Lloyd never has. ;-)
> I've learned from science; you never have.
I've learned from science, and it's not science that you preach parker.
You spout political views and hide behind a PhD in chemistry as if
that makes your political views correct. You dismiss without discussion
any scientific data or analysis that challenges your beliefs. That is *NOT*
science.
> "The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>>"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> But I have to admit, this is the product of experience.
<snip>
>>You've learned from experience, Lloyd never has. ;-)
> I've learned from science; you never have.
I've learned from science, and it's not science that you preach parker.
You spout political views and hide behind a PhD in chemistry as if
that makes your political views correct. You dismiss without discussion
any scientific data or analysis that challenges your beliefs. That is *NOT*
science.
#3422
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>>>
>>>>Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>
> Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
> The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
> left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.
>
>
More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
different ways.
> In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>>>
>>>>Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>
> Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
> The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
> left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.
>
>
More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
different ways.
#3423
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>>>
>>>>Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>
> Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
> The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
> left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.
>
>
More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
different ways.
> In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>>>
>>>>Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>
> Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
> The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
> left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.
>
>
More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
different ways.
#3424
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>>>
>>>>Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>
> Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
> The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
> left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.
>
>
More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
different ways.
> In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>>>
>>>>Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>
> Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
> The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
> left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.
>
>
More like a circle. Imagine a clock face- at noon you have communism.
Moving clockwise you have liberalism, down around 6:00 you have
conservatism. Moving toward 9 and then back to 12 you have increasing
levels of the police state until you finally get to fascism, which in
terms of the rights of the individual is no different than communism and
is right back there at 11:59 on the clock dial. One side of the circle
values the indiviual, the other empowers the goverment albeit in
different ways.
#3425
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
ead who might be
>>dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
>>An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
>>A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
>>a Wal-Fart parking lot.
>>A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
>>nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.
>>
>>
>>
>
> And for each of those, there are family members shot in anger or accidentally,
> suicides with a handy gun, children shooting children with a gun found in the
> house, shooting of a neighbor the homeowner thought was a burglar, etc.
No one denies that those things can happen, but not "for each" of the
previous examples. The documented TRUTH is that in states where
concealed handguns are legal, the number of those events does not even
come CLOSE to the number of times when a legally-carried gun stops a crime.
I suggest remedial reading...
ead who might be
>>dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
>>An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
>>A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
>>a Wal-Fart parking lot.
>>A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
>>nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.
>>
>>
>>
>
> And for each of those, there are family members shot in anger or accidentally,
> suicides with a handy gun, children shooting children with a gun found in the
> house, shooting of a neighbor the homeowner thought was a burglar, etc.
No one denies that those things can happen, but not "for each" of the
previous examples. The documented TRUTH is that in states where
concealed handguns are legal, the number of those events does not even
come CLOSE to the number of times when a legally-carried gun stops a crime.
I suggest remedial reading...
#3426
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
ead who might be
>>dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
>>An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
>>A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
>>a Wal-Fart parking lot.
>>A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
>>nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.
>>
>>
>>
>
> And for each of those, there are family members shot in anger or accidentally,
> suicides with a handy gun, children shooting children with a gun found in the
> house, shooting of a neighbor the homeowner thought was a burglar, etc.
No one denies that those things can happen, but not "for each" of the
previous examples. The documented TRUTH is that in states where
concealed handguns are legal, the number of those events does not even
come CLOSE to the number of times when a legally-carried gun stops a crime.
I suggest remedial reading...
ead who might be
>>dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
>>An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
>>A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
>>a Wal-Fart parking lot.
>>A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
>>nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.
>>
>>
>>
>
> And for each of those, there are family members shot in anger or accidentally,
> suicides with a handy gun, children shooting children with a gun found in the
> house, shooting of a neighbor the homeowner thought was a burglar, etc.
No one denies that those things can happen, but not "for each" of the
previous examples. The documented TRUTH is that in states where
concealed handguns are legal, the number of those events does not even
come CLOSE to the number of times when a legally-carried gun stops a crime.
I suggest remedial reading...
#3427
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
ead who might be
>>dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
>>An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
>>A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
>>a Wal-Fart parking lot.
>>A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
>>nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.
>>
>>
>>
>
> And for each of those, there are family members shot in anger or accidentally,
> suicides with a handy gun, children shooting children with a gun found in the
> house, shooting of a neighbor the homeowner thought was a burglar, etc.
No one denies that those things can happen, but not "for each" of the
previous examples. The documented TRUTH is that in states where
concealed handguns are legal, the number of those events does not even
come CLOSE to the number of times when a legally-carried gun stops a crime.
I suggest remedial reading...
ead who might be
>>dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
>>An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
>>A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
>>a Wal-Fart parking lot.
>>A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
>>nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.
>>
>>
>>
>
> And for each of those, there are family members shot in anger or accidentally,
> suicides with a handy gun, children shooting children with a gun found in the
> house, shooting of a neighbor the homeowner thought was a burglar, etc.
No one denies that those things can happen, but not "for each" of the
previous examples. The documented TRUTH is that in states where
concealed handguns are legal, the number of those events does not even
come CLOSE to the number of times when a legally-carried gun stops a crime.
I suggest remedial reading...