Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <bnjf84$b81$7@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <Gs%mb.38952$e01.85589@attbi_s02>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bngqba$8h4$2@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>>>Then, obviously, that can't be the cause of global warming, can it?
>>>>Since global warming happened with the lower CO2 levels,
>>>
>>> No, it started the same time CO2 started rising.
>>
>>It also started at the same time man started flying with heavier than
>>air machines. A real scienist knows better than to make statements like
>>the one above as "proof" as I demonstrate with another thing that started
>>at the same time and has increased since.
>
> If you look at the data (I know that's a foreign concept to you), global
> warming began around the middle of the 19th century, as human combustion
> activities started picking up.
And if you really had an understanding of science you wouldn't take
corrolation as causation and then declare the causation fact.
> In article <Gs%mb.38952$e01.85589@attbi_s02>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bngqba$8h4$2@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>>>Then, obviously, that can't be the cause of global warming, can it?
>>>>Since global warming happened with the lower CO2 levels,
>>>
>>> No, it started the same time CO2 started rising.
>>
>>It also started at the same time man started flying with heavier than
>>air machines. A real scienist knows better than to make statements like
>>the one above as "proof" as I demonstrate with another thing that started
>>at the same time and has increased since.
>
> If you look at the data (I know that's a foreign concept to you), global
> warming began around the middle of the 19th century, as human combustion
> activities started picking up.
And if you really had an understanding of science you wouldn't take
corrolation as causation and then declare the causation fact.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <bnjf84$b81$7@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <Gs%mb.38952$e01.85589@attbi_s02>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bngqba$8h4$2@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>>>Then, obviously, that can't be the cause of global warming, can it?
>>>>Since global warming happened with the lower CO2 levels,
>>>
>>> No, it started the same time CO2 started rising.
>>
>>It also started at the same time man started flying with heavier than
>>air machines. A real scienist knows better than to make statements like
>>the one above as "proof" as I demonstrate with another thing that started
>>at the same time and has increased since.
>
> If you look at the data (I know that's a foreign concept to you), global
> warming began around the middle of the 19th century, as human combustion
> activities started picking up.
And if you really had an understanding of science you wouldn't take
corrolation as causation and then declare the causation fact.
> In article <Gs%mb.38952$e01.85589@attbi_s02>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bngqba$8h4$2@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>>>Then, obviously, that can't be the cause of global warming, can it?
>>>>Since global warming happened with the lower CO2 levels,
>>>
>>> No, it started the same time CO2 started rising.
>>
>>It also started at the same time man started flying with heavier than
>>air machines. A real scienist knows better than to make statements like
>>the one above as "proof" as I demonstrate with another thing that started
>>at the same time and has increased since.
>
> If you look at the data (I know that's a foreign concept to you), global
> warming began around the middle of the 19th century, as human combustion
> activities started picking up.
And if you really had an understanding of science you wouldn't take
corrolation as causation and then declare the causation fact.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <bnjf84$b81$7@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
> In article <Gs%mb.38952$e01.85589@attbi_s02>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bngqba$8h4$2@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>>>Then, obviously, that can't be the cause of global warming, can it?
>>>>Since global warming happened with the lower CO2 levels,
>>>
>>> No, it started the same time CO2 started rising.
>>
>>It also started at the same time man started flying with heavier than
>>air machines. A real scienist knows better than to make statements like
>>the one above as "proof" as I demonstrate with another thing that started
>>at the same time and has increased since.
>
> If you look at the data (I know that's a foreign concept to you), global
> warming began around the middle of the 19th century, as human combustion
> activities started picking up.
And if you really had an understanding of science you wouldn't take
corrolation as causation and then declare the causation fact.
> In article <Gs%mb.38952$e01.85589@attbi_s02>,
> tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>>In article <bngqba$8h4$2@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>>>Then, obviously, that can't be the cause of global warming, can it?
>>>>Since global warming happened with the lower CO2 levels,
>>>
>>> No, it started the same time CO2 started rising.
>>
>>It also started at the same time man started flying with heavier than
>>air machines. A real scienist knows better than to make statements like
>>the one above as "proof" as I demonstrate with another thing that started
>>at the same time and has increased since.
>
> If you look at the data (I know that's a foreign concept to you), global
> warming began around the middle of the 19th century, as human combustion
> activities started picking up.
And if you really had an understanding of science you wouldn't take
corrolation as causation and then declare the causation fact.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <5q2nb.4730$X22.88@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.ne t>,
> "FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
> >
> >"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> >news:bngqj4$8h4$3@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> >>
> >> Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try
> >learning some science.<CLICK>Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try
learning
> >some science.<CLICK>...........
> >
> >Will somebody please kick the jukebox, somebody's playing that broken
Parker
> >record on there again. ;-D
> >
> >
> >
> Would someone please tell the 6th-grade drop-outs here to stop arguing
science
> with scientists? As Pogo said, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits
with an
> unarmed opponent.
Better a 6th grade drop out than an elitist know-it-all that blindly follows
anything that comes out of the DNC, CR, or any UN based org. who replies to
any differing opinion with "Learn some science.", "idiot", "****", "right
winger", etc.......
You sound like a broken record after a while Lloyd. Try having an open mind
it might be a new experiance for you.
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <5q2nb.4730$X22.88@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.ne t>,
> "FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
> >
> >"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> >news:bngqj4$8h4$3@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> >>
> >> Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try
> >learning some science.<CLICK>Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try
learning
> >some science.<CLICK>...........
> >
> >Will somebody please kick the jukebox, somebody's playing that broken
Parker
> >record on there again. ;-D
> >
> >
> >
> Would someone please tell the 6th-grade drop-outs here to stop arguing
science
> with scientists? As Pogo said, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits
with an
> unarmed opponent.
Better a 6th grade drop out than an elitist know-it-all that blindly follows
anything that comes out of the DNC, CR, or any UN based org. who replies to
any differing opinion with "Learn some science.", "idiot", "****", "right
winger", etc.......
You sound like a broken record after a while Lloyd. Try having an open mind
it might be a new experiance for you.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <5q2nb.4730$X22.88@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.ne t>,
> "FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
> >
> >"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
> >news:bngqj4$8h4$3@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> >>
> >> Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try
> >learning some science.<CLICK>Try learning some science.<CLICK>Try
learning
> >some science.<CLICK>...........
> >
> >Will somebody please kick the jukebox, somebody's playing that broken
Parker
> >record on there again. ;-D
> >
> >
> >
> Would someone please tell the 6th-grade drop-outs here to stop arguing
science
> with scientists? As Pogo said, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits
with an
> unarmed opponent.
Better a 6th grade drop out than an elitist know-it-all that blindly follows
anything that comes out of the DNC, CR, or any UN based org. who replies to
any differing opinion with "Learn some science.", "idiot", "****", "right
winger", etc.......
You sound like a broken record after a while Lloyd. Try having an open mind
it might be a new experiance for you.
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> >
> We demanded Saddam to get rid of the WMD. It appears he did.
It certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Doesn't it really hurt your
pride to be outsmarted by an ------- like Saddam? -Dave
> We demanded Saddam to get rid of the WMD. It appears he did.
It certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Doesn't it really hurt your
pride to be outsmarted by an ------- like Saddam? -Dave
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> We demanded Saddam to get rid of the WMD. It appears he did.
It certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Doesn't it really hurt your
pride to be outsmarted by an ------- like Saddam? -Dave
> We demanded Saddam to get rid of the WMD. It appears he did.
It certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Doesn't it really hurt your
pride to be outsmarted by an ------- like Saddam? -Dave
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> We demanded Saddam to get rid of the WMD. It appears he did.
It certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Doesn't it really hurt your
pride to be outsmarted by an ------- like Saddam? -Dave
> We demanded Saddam to get rid of the WMD. It appears he did.
It certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Doesn't it really hurt your
pride to be outsmarted by an ------- like Saddam? -Dave
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
P e t e F a g e r l i n <pete@petefagerlin.com> wrote in message news:<4vjipvgdm34g07uc2pssprq3iqhtppflfj@4ax.com>. ..
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:07:50 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>
> >And incompetent would describe most drivers in this country (USA). In
> >fact drivers are trained to be incompetent. First, practically all
> >collisions are generally called 'accidents' as if they were all not
> >predictable. Then throw in tons of speed kills stuff like carl's
> >unexpected. No call to pay attention to the task of driving, to
> >understand driving, only to go slow so *when* someone crashes it
> >won't be as bad. On top of all of this, safety in the USA is
> generally
> >considered how well a vehicle survives a crash, not how many it
> avoids.
> >(outside a few BMW commericals)
> >
> >Combine all these things and we get a bunch of people driving with
> >the views of the person you replied to. Accidents 'just happen', they
> >aren't in control, they aren't responsible, they cannot predict, they
> >can't do anything but get the biggest/strongest vehicle they can
> >afford for when they crash.
>
> Where did I claim that Brent?
>
> You need to join Marc and go back and read the posts in question.
>
> >Practically everything I see other drivers do on the road is
> >predictable to me and when someone does something I didn't predict
> >I often believe I should have been able to. I recall some sign, some
> >tell, that I ignored.
>
> It is impossible to predict the actions of every driver.
>
> That's why some accidents are truly accidents, i.e. unavoidable. To
> claim that you have the absolute ability " to *predict* what other
> drivers are going to do and *avoid* being collected by them" is
> ridiculous, hence my reply.
>
> >I have (as do many others, it's nothing special) enough driving
> experience
> >to be able to read a road situation and the individual styles of
> drivers to
> >be able to predict what they are going to do before they do it.
> >It only takes knowledge and paying attention to detail.
>
> LOL. Psychic, eh?
>
> To claim that you can predict what every driver is going to do is
> ridiculous.
>
> >While ideally, predictability should be what is seen on the autobahn,
> >even though the flow of US driving appears chaotic, the movement of
> >individual vehicles is rather predictable. I don't know how to prove
> >this other than to do a carl with a video camera and give a rolling
> >commentary. I would need two cameras and picture in picture because
> >both front and rear would need to be filmed.
>
> And a special device to monitor your psychic output.
>
> Situational awareness is one of the cornerstones of safe driving but
> to think that it makes you immune from the actions of other drivers is
> the height of arrogance, or ignorance.
I never claimed immunity, simply that I feel that I can predict the
actions of *enough* (i.e. the majority of) drivers that it is of more
benefit, safety-wise, to base my car purchasing decisions on "active
safety" attributes like handling, acceleration, braking, etc. rather
than "passive safety" features like airbags, crumple zones and the
like. The fact that many people seem to be basing their vehicle
purchases on passive safety over active safety is a telling commentary
on how people view driving in the US - i.e. that crashes are
unavoidable and will happen to everyone eventually. That doesn't seem
to be too far removed from reality, as I've actually heard many people
express such views in conversation - far more than I've heard mulling
over the handling characteristics of potential vehicle purchases.
nate
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:07:50 GMT, tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>
> >And incompetent would describe most drivers in this country (USA). In
> >fact drivers are trained to be incompetent. First, practically all
> >collisions are generally called 'accidents' as if they were all not
> >predictable. Then throw in tons of speed kills stuff like carl's
> >unexpected. No call to pay attention to the task of driving, to
> >understand driving, only to go slow so *when* someone crashes it
> >won't be as bad. On top of all of this, safety in the USA is
> generally
> >considered how well a vehicle survives a crash, not how many it
> avoids.
> >(outside a few BMW commericals)
> >
> >Combine all these things and we get a bunch of people driving with
> >the views of the person you replied to. Accidents 'just happen', they
> >aren't in control, they aren't responsible, they cannot predict, they
> >can't do anything but get the biggest/strongest vehicle they can
> >afford for when they crash.
>
> Where did I claim that Brent?
>
> You need to join Marc and go back and read the posts in question.
>
> >Practically everything I see other drivers do on the road is
> >predictable to me and when someone does something I didn't predict
> >I often believe I should have been able to. I recall some sign, some
> >tell, that I ignored.
>
> It is impossible to predict the actions of every driver.
>
> That's why some accidents are truly accidents, i.e. unavoidable. To
> claim that you have the absolute ability " to *predict* what other
> drivers are going to do and *avoid* being collected by them" is
> ridiculous, hence my reply.
>
> >I have (as do many others, it's nothing special) enough driving
> experience
> >to be able to read a road situation and the individual styles of
> drivers to
> >be able to predict what they are going to do before they do it.
> >It only takes knowledge and paying attention to detail.
>
> LOL. Psychic, eh?
>
> To claim that you can predict what every driver is going to do is
> ridiculous.
>
> >While ideally, predictability should be what is seen on the autobahn,
> >even though the flow of US driving appears chaotic, the movement of
> >individual vehicles is rather predictable. I don't know how to prove
> >this other than to do a carl with a video camera and give a rolling
> >commentary. I would need two cameras and picture in picture because
> >both front and rear would need to be filmed.
>
> And a special device to monitor your psychic output.
>
> Situational awareness is one of the cornerstones of safe driving but
> to think that it makes you immune from the actions of other drivers is
> the height of arrogance, or ignorance.
I never claimed immunity, simply that I feel that I can predict the
actions of *enough* (i.e. the majority of) drivers that it is of more
benefit, safety-wise, to base my car purchasing decisions on "active
safety" attributes like handling, acceleration, braking, etc. rather
than "passive safety" features like airbags, crumple zones and the
like. The fact that many people seem to be basing their vehicle
purchases on passive safety over active safety is a telling commentary
on how people view driving in the US - i.e. that crashes are
unavoidable and will happen to everyone eventually. That doesn't seem
to be too far removed from reality, as I've actually heard many people
express such views in conversation - far more than I've heard mulling
over the handling characteristics of potential vehicle purchases.
nate