Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#1821
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto. The
only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides. The VWs
sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars that
would take sales away from their other models.
Ed
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto. The
only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides. The VWs
sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars that
would take sales away from their other models.
Ed
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Kevin wrote:
> RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
>>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
>>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
>>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
>>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
--
Rickety
> RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
>>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
>>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
>>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
>>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
--
Rickety
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Kevin wrote:
> RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
>>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
>>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
>>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
>>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
--
Rickety
> RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
>>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
>>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
>>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
>>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
--
Rickety
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Kevin wrote:
> RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
>>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
>>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
>>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
>>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
--
Rickety
> RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
>>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
>>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
>>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
>>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
--
Rickety
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <bn8ojk$arm$1@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
>> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>>
> Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
> records and better safety reputations?
The Crown Vic is extremely safe for the money. If cars that cost
signficantly more and we are talking probably *THREE* times as much
with the MB, it better have superior performance.
Over the years, every time it was tested, the crown vic well exceeded
crash standards. I'd rather be in a crown vic than many of these SUVs
that's for sure.
> And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
> burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
> they're DEAD!
Hundreds? Hardly lloyd. But that sort of BS is typical of you. You've
picked up alot of bad habbits from the sci.environment liberals.
The number of *incidents* doesn't even crack 30. The number of *deaths*
even lower. Then, keep in mind these cars were smacked at speeds in the
neighborhood of 70 *seventy* miles per hour.
So Parker, find a police vehicle with a significantly *BETTER* record
with regards to incident rate than the crown vic. 29 incidents in over
20 years and probably untold millions of miles is *NOTHING* statistically
speaking.
If you want to pay taxes to put all cops in MBs to give them a slight
edge with regards to this low rate event, you can pay it. I have no
desire to.
>>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
>> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>>
> Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
> records and better safety reputations?
The Crown Vic is extremely safe for the money. If cars that cost
signficantly more and we are talking probably *THREE* times as much
with the MB, it better have superior performance.
Over the years, every time it was tested, the crown vic well exceeded
crash standards. I'd rather be in a crown vic than many of these SUVs
that's for sure.
> And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
> burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
> they're DEAD!
Hundreds? Hardly lloyd. But that sort of BS is typical of you. You've
picked up alot of bad habbits from the sci.environment liberals.
The number of *incidents* doesn't even crack 30. The number of *deaths*
even lower. Then, keep in mind these cars were smacked at speeds in the
neighborhood of 70 *seventy* miles per hour.
So Parker, find a police vehicle with a significantly *BETTER* record
with regards to incident rate than the crown vic. 29 incidents in over
20 years and probably untold millions of miles is *NOTHING* statistically
speaking.
If you want to pay taxes to put all cops in MBs to give them a slight
edge with regards to this low rate event, you can pay it. I have no
desire to.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <bn8ojk$arm$1@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
>> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>>
> Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
> records and better safety reputations?
The Crown Vic is extremely safe for the money. If cars that cost
signficantly more and we are talking probably *THREE* times as much
with the MB, it better have superior performance.
Over the years, every time it was tested, the crown vic well exceeded
crash standards. I'd rather be in a crown vic than many of these SUVs
that's for sure.
> And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
> burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
> they're DEAD!
Hundreds? Hardly lloyd. But that sort of BS is typical of you. You've
picked up alot of bad habbits from the sci.environment liberals.
The number of *incidents* doesn't even crack 30. The number of *deaths*
even lower. Then, keep in mind these cars were smacked at speeds in the
neighborhood of 70 *seventy* miles per hour.
So Parker, find a police vehicle with a significantly *BETTER* record
with regards to incident rate than the crown vic. 29 incidents in over
20 years and probably untold millions of miles is *NOTHING* statistically
speaking.
If you want to pay taxes to put all cops in MBs to give them a slight
edge with regards to this low rate event, you can pay it. I have no
desire to.
>>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
>> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>>
> Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
> records and better safety reputations?
The Crown Vic is extremely safe for the money. If cars that cost
signficantly more and we are talking probably *THREE* times as much
with the MB, it better have superior performance.
Over the years, every time it was tested, the crown vic well exceeded
crash standards. I'd rather be in a crown vic than many of these SUVs
that's for sure.
> And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
> burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
> they're DEAD!
Hundreds? Hardly lloyd. But that sort of BS is typical of you. You've
picked up alot of bad habbits from the sci.environment liberals.
The number of *incidents* doesn't even crack 30. The number of *deaths*
even lower. Then, keep in mind these cars were smacked at speeds in the
neighborhood of 70 *seventy* miles per hour.
So Parker, find a police vehicle with a significantly *BETTER* record
with regards to incident rate than the crown vic. 29 incidents in over
20 years and probably untold millions of miles is *NOTHING* statistically
speaking.
If you want to pay taxes to put all cops in MBs to give them a slight
edge with regards to this low rate event, you can pay it. I have no
desire to.
#1828
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <bn8ojk$arm$1@puck.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
>> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>>
> Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
> records and better safety reputations?
The Crown Vic is extremely safe for the money. If cars that cost
signficantly more and we are talking probably *THREE* times as much
with the MB, it better have superior performance.
Over the years, every time it was tested, the crown vic well exceeded
crash standards. I'd rather be in a crown vic than many of these SUVs
that's for sure.
> And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
> burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
> they're DEAD!
Hundreds? Hardly lloyd. But that sort of BS is typical of you. You've
picked up alot of bad habbits from the sci.environment liberals.
The number of *incidents* doesn't even crack 30. The number of *deaths*
even lower. Then, keep in mind these cars were smacked at speeds in the
neighborhood of 70 *seventy* miles per hour.
So Parker, find a police vehicle with a significantly *BETTER* record
with regards to incident rate than the crown vic. 29 incidents in over
20 years and probably untold millions of miles is *NOTHING* statistically
speaking.
If you want to pay taxes to put all cops in MBs to give them a slight
edge with regards to this low rate event, you can pay it. I have no
desire to.
>>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
>> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>>
> Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
> records and better safety reputations?
The Crown Vic is extremely safe for the money. If cars that cost
signficantly more and we are talking probably *THREE* times as much
with the MB, it better have superior performance.
Over the years, every time it was tested, the crown vic well exceeded
crash standards. I'd rather be in a crown vic than many of these SUVs
that's for sure.
> And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
> burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
> they're DEAD!
Hundreds? Hardly lloyd. But that sort of BS is typical of you. You've
picked up alot of bad habbits from the sci.environment liberals.
The number of *incidents* doesn't even crack 30. The number of *deaths*
even lower. Then, keep in mind these cars were smacked at speeds in the
neighborhood of 70 *seventy* miles per hour.
So Parker, find a police vehicle with a significantly *BETTER* record
with regards to incident rate than the crown vic. 29 incidents in over
20 years and probably untold millions of miles is *NOTHING* statistically
speaking.
If you want to pay taxes to put all cops in MBs to give them a slight
edge with regards to this low rate event, you can pay it. I have no
desire to.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Bill Funk" <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:28:42 -0400, "rickety"
> <ricklugg@knickers.iname.com> wrote:
>
> >Kevin wrote:
> >> RJ wrote:
> >>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> RJ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
> >>>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
> >>>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
> >>>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
> >>>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
> >>>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> >> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
> >
> >istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
> >prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
>
> They need to be hit pretty hard.
> Like at a closing speed of more that 40 mph, IIRC.
>
More like 50-70. The ones thar have exploded have been hit at very high
speeds. Also when you hit cars that tend to have ammunition in the trunk you
might just get a fire.
#1830
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Bill Funk" <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:28:42 -0400, "rickety"
> <ricklugg@knickers.iname.com> wrote:
>
> >Kevin wrote:
> >> RJ wrote:
> >>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> RJ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
> >>>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
> >>>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
> >>>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
> >>>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
> >>>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> >> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
> >
> >istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
> >prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
>
> They need to be hit pretty hard.
> Like at a closing speed of more that 40 mph, IIRC.
>
More like 50-70. The ones thar have exploded have been hit at very high
speeds. Also when you hit cars that tend to have ammunition in the trunk you
might just get a fire.