Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <joPlb.7776$Tr4.26144@attbi_s03>, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:
>RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>
Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
records and better safety reputations?
And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
they're DEAD!
>RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>
Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
records and better safety reputations?
And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
they're DEAD!
#1812
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <joPlb.7776$Tr4.26144@attbi_s03>, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:
>RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>
Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
records and better safety reputations?
And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
they're DEAD!
>RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>
Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
records and better safety reputations?
And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
they're DEAD!
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <joPlb.7776$Tr4.26144@attbi_s03>, Kevin <Kevin@el.net> wrote:
>RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>
Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
records and better safety reputations?
And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
they're DEAD!
>RJ wrote:
>> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>RJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>>
>>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>>
>>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>>
>>
>> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
> dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
>
Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
records and better safety reputations?
And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
they're DEAD!
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F97D3B0.3404AC32@mindspring.com>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
>
>I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto.
The
>only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
>Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
>Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides.
I had a 1972 Corolla that was an excellent entry-level car. Opel was also
selling Kadetts and 1900s that were good cars.
>The VWs
>sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
>would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
>problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars
that
>would take sales away from their other models.
>
>Ed
>
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
>
>I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto.
The
>only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
>Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
>Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides.
I had a 1972 Corolla that was an excellent entry-level car. Opel was also
selling Kadetts and 1900s that were good cars.
>The VWs
>sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
>would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
>problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars
that
>would take sales away from their other models.
>
>Ed
>
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F97D3B0.3404AC32@mindspring.com>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
>
>I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto.
The
>only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
>Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
>Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides.
I had a 1972 Corolla that was an excellent entry-level car. Opel was also
selling Kadetts and 1900s that were good cars.
>The VWs
>sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
>would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
>problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars
that
>would take sales away from their other models.
>
>Ed
>
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
>
>I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto.
The
>only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
>Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
>Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides.
I had a 1972 Corolla that was an excellent entry-level car. Opel was also
selling Kadetts and 1900s that were good cars.
>The VWs
>sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
>would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
>problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars
that
>would take sales away from their other models.
>
>Ed
>
#1816
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F97D3B0.3404AC32@mindspring.com>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
>
>I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto.
The
>only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
>Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
>Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides.
I had a 1972 Corolla that was an excellent entry-level car. Opel was also
selling Kadetts and 1900s that were good cars.
>The VWs
>sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
>would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
>problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars
that
>would take sales away from their other models.
>
>Ed
>
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>
>> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
>
>I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto.
The
>only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
>Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
>Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides.
I had a 1972 Corolla that was an excellent entry-level car. Opel was also
selling Kadetts and 1900s that were good cars.
>The VWs
>sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
>would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
>problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars
that
>would take sales away from their other models.
>
>Ed
>
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
RJ wrote:
> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>
>
>>RJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>
>>>
>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>
>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>
>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>
>
> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>
>
>>RJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>
>>>
>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>
>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>
>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>
>
> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
RJ wrote:
> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>
>
>>RJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>
>>>
>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>
>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>
>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>
>
> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>
>
>>RJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>
>>>
>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>
>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>
>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>
>
> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
RJ wrote:
> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>
>
>>RJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>
>>>
>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>
>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>
>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>
>
> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
> Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>
>
>>RJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nate Nagel <njnagel@hornytoad.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul plywood
>>>>and tow a trailer with it?
>>>
>>>
>>>1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
>>>2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
>>>
>>>If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
>>>I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
>>>therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
>>
>>That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of CAFE
>>which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
>
>
> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
#1820
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Lloyd Parker wrote:
> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto. The
only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides. The VWs
sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars that
would take sales away from their other models.
Ed