Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#1751
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> You have to
> go
> back to the early 70's like a 73 T-Bird or a Old 98 before you can find a
> sedan that could actually fit 4 adults comfortably.
1996 Chevrolet Caprice/Impala SS/Buick Roadmaster/Cadillac Fleetwood. The
Impala especially was never advertised but GM had orders for more than they
could build, they still sell for list price if in good shape.
> Sure, if automakers
> started
> producing such vehicles again, you might knock off a few SUVs that were
> bought to haul adults around, but the people that bought SUV's for real
> hauling aren't going to go to a wagon, and the people that bought them to
> haul
> families aren't going to go to a wagon either (although they would have
> been
> a lot smarter to have bought either a minivan or a full size van, IMHO)
Dodge for one seems to be betting otherwise. I guess time will tell.
> and the posers that bought them to pretend they are offroaders in the
> city aren't going to go to a sedan either.
Only because it's percieved as cool. Deeply tied in with the popular culture of
the moment, which, for consumer items at least, is largely controlled by
advertising--whether pitched directly, or through the entertainment media.
Doubtless the automakers are happy enough about it, they can charge based on
demand while building off tooling that was paid for twenty years ago.
--Aardwolf.
#1752
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> You have to
> go
> back to the early 70's like a 73 T-Bird or a Old 98 before you can find a
> sedan that could actually fit 4 adults comfortably.
1996 Chevrolet Caprice/Impala SS/Buick Roadmaster/Cadillac Fleetwood. The
Impala especially was never advertised but GM had orders for more than they
could build, they still sell for list price if in good shape.
> Sure, if automakers
> started
> producing such vehicles again, you might knock off a few SUVs that were
> bought to haul adults around, but the people that bought SUV's for real
> hauling aren't going to go to a wagon, and the people that bought them to
> haul
> families aren't going to go to a wagon either (although they would have
> been
> a lot smarter to have bought either a minivan or a full size van, IMHO)
Dodge for one seems to be betting otherwise. I guess time will tell.
> and the posers that bought them to pretend they are offroaders in the
> city aren't going to go to a sedan either.
Only because it's percieved as cool. Deeply tied in with the popular culture of
the moment, which, for consumer items at least, is largely controlled by
advertising--whether pitched directly, or through the entertainment media.
Doubtless the automakers are happy enough about it, they can charge based on
demand while building off tooling that was paid for twenty years ago.
--Aardwolf.
#1753
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> You have to
> go
> back to the early 70's like a 73 T-Bird or a Old 98 before you can find a
> sedan that could actually fit 4 adults comfortably.
1996 Chevrolet Caprice/Impala SS/Buick Roadmaster/Cadillac Fleetwood. The
Impala especially was never advertised but GM had orders for more than they
could build, they still sell for list price if in good shape.
> Sure, if automakers
> started
> producing such vehicles again, you might knock off a few SUVs that were
> bought to haul adults around, but the people that bought SUV's for real
> hauling aren't going to go to a wagon, and the people that bought them to
> haul
> families aren't going to go to a wagon either (although they would have
> been
> a lot smarter to have bought either a minivan or a full size van, IMHO)
Dodge for one seems to be betting otherwise. I guess time will tell.
> and the posers that bought them to pretend they are offroaders in the
> city aren't going to go to a sedan either.
Only because it's percieved as cool. Deeply tied in with the popular culture of
the moment, which, for consumer items at least, is largely controlled by
advertising--whether pitched directly, or through the entertainment media.
Doubtless the automakers are happy enough about it, they can charge based on
demand while building off tooling that was paid for twenty years ago.
--Aardwolf.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:52:05 -0400, "Joe" <me@privacy.net
(jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
> If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his
>footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act
>with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations
>Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction
>program.
Mental midget. Typical right-winger.
(jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
> If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his
>footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act
>with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations
>Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction
>program.
Mental midget. Typical right-winger.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:52:05 -0400, "Joe" <me@privacy.net
(jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
> If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his
>footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act
>with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations
>Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction
>program.
Mental midget. Typical right-winger.
(jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
> If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his
>footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act
>with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations
>Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction
>program.
Mental midget. Typical right-winger.
#1756
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:52:05 -0400, "Joe" <me@privacy.net
(jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
> If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his
>footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act
>with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations
>Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction
>program.
Mental midget. Typical right-winger.
(jo_ratner@yahoo.com)> wrote:
> If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his
>footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act
>with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations
>Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction
>program.
Mental midget. Typical right-winger.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
>In article <nYTkb.4410$S52.1693@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> "Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>>> high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we
>>were
>>> in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
>>
>>And I really miss those 5000-lb lumbering land yachts. Lots of other people
>>do, too.
>
>Yeah, the same ones who miss carburetors, manual chokes, drum brakes. The
>ones who think NASCAR is high-tech.
So wanting room makes you a Luddite? You really only appear stupider every
time I read one of your posts.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>In article <nYTkb.4410$S52.1693@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> "Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>>> high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we
>>were
>>> in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
>>
>>And I really miss those 5000-lb lumbering land yachts. Lots of other people
>>do, too.
>
>Yeah, the same ones who miss carburetors, manual chokes, drum brakes. The
>ones who think NASCAR is high-tech.
So wanting room makes you a Luddite? You really only appear stupider every
time I read one of your posts.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
>In article <nYTkb.4410$S52.1693@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> "Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>>> high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we
>>were
>>> in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
>>
>>And I really miss those 5000-lb lumbering land yachts. Lots of other people
>>do, too.
>
>Yeah, the same ones who miss carburetors, manual chokes, drum brakes. The
>ones who think NASCAR is high-tech.
So wanting room makes you a Luddite? You really only appear stupider every
time I read one of your posts.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>In article <nYTkb.4410$S52.1693@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> "Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>>> high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we
>>were
>>> in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
>>
>>And I really miss those 5000-lb lumbering land yachts. Lots of other people
>>do, too.
>
>Yeah, the same ones who miss carburetors, manual chokes, drum brakes. The
>ones who think NASCAR is high-tech.
So wanting room makes you a Luddite? You really only appear stupider every
time I read one of your posts.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
#1759
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
>In article <nYTkb.4410$S52.1693@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> "Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>>> high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we
>>were
>>> in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
>>
>>And I really miss those 5000-lb lumbering land yachts. Lots of other people
>>do, too.
>
>Yeah, the same ones who miss carburetors, manual chokes, drum brakes. The
>ones who think NASCAR is high-tech.
So wanting room makes you a Luddite? You really only appear stupider every
time I read one of your posts.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>In article <nYTkb.4410$S52.1693@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> "Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, because the makers had to make smaller, lighter, yet still
>>> high-performance vehicles. Without CAFE, we'd still be driving what we
>>were
>>> in the early 70s. 5000-lb lumbering land yachts.
>>
>>And I really miss those 5000-lb lumbering land yachts. Lots of other people
>>do, too.
>
>Yeah, the same ones who miss carburetors, manual chokes, drum brakes. The
>ones who think NASCAR is high-tech.
So wanting room makes you a Luddite? You really only appear stupider every
time I read one of your posts.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
>That's lloyd's politics, and that clouds everything he posts.
Personally, I think it is his stupidity. My politics overlap with his on
some issues, and he is one of the people you really don't want on your
side.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>That's lloyd's politics, and that clouds everything he posts.
Personally, I think it is his stupidity. My politics overlap with his on
some issues, and he is one of the people you really don't want on your
side.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"