Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
I gather that the diesel fuel available in the US is still the old-style
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.
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"rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>
#1392
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
I gather that the diesel fuel available in the US is still the old-style
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.
DAS
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"rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.
DAS
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"rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>
#1393
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
I gather that the diesel fuel available in the US is still the old-style
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.
DAS
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"rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>
sulfurous stuff, which would preclude many/all modern diesel engines.
DAS
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"rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> Plenty decent that runs on diesel, they're just not released in the US
cause
> petrol is so cheap and people don't buy em.
>
> rhys
>
> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:2tqdnWdatcOAYg6iRTvUrg@speakeasy.net...
> > In article <MPG.19fbbdcbbbd459b8989e0b@news.eastlink.ca>,
> > Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>
> > >> >CAFE is a result of the enviro-wackos.
> > >> >
> > >> Yeah, bring back carburetors, 4-speed manuals, drum brakes, and all
the
> other
> > >> 60s crap.
> > >>
> > >> CAFE is one reason we get cars like the M3, E55, S4, etc.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.
> >
> > There is nothing decent that runs on diesel. By definition.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthew T. Russotto mrussotto@speakeasy.net
> > "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> > of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit
> of
> > a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.
>
>
#1394
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 15:59:11 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.
wrote:
>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.
#1395
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 15:59:11 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.
wrote:
>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.
#1396
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
On Mon, 20 Oct 03 15:59:11 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.
wrote:
>In article <gcc8pv89e67ac5f9qmmmfesoqbih6vd168@4ax.com>,
> Bill Funk <bfunk33@qwest.net> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Oct 03 11:33:12 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>When CAFE standards were dreampt up, it was thought that trucks were not a
>>>>significant part of the automotive population, trucks were used for work,
>>>>not play.
>>>
>>>And we should have adjusted CAFE for trucks as they started being used as
>cars
>>>are used.
>>
>>And what would the buyers have done then?
>>Gone to >8000lb trucks?
>>
>>You don't seem to want to let others do what they see as needed,
>
>No, there always have to be limitations, for the good of society.
I think you mis-spelt "for the good of the children".
>
>>instead wanting to decide for everyone what they should have.
>>Why should you get to do that?
>>Maybe you should look into moving to China or Cuba, where your talents
>>may actually be in demand. They are really into deciding how the
>>people should live there.
>>
>So you'd let people drive vehicles that pollute?
My SUVs consistantly test far cleaner than the laws permit.
And I still get to drive what I want.
You want to end that, based on what *you* think is good for society.
#1397
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Where are these built/sold?
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> Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais sedans
> and stationwagons.
>
> rhys
>
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> and stationwagons.
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#1398
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Where are these built/sold?
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> Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais sedans
> and stationwagons.
>
> rhys
>
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> Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais sedans
> and stationwagons.
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> rhys
>
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#1399
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Where are these built/sold?
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> Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais sedans
> and stationwagons.
>
> rhys
>
>
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> and stationwagons.
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> rhys
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
They need to carry their bales of hay from their Chelsea and Upper West Side
farms to the markets of Harrods and Bloomingdale's respectively....
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> But I would definitely argue that the majority of SUV owners who live IN
> THE MAJOR CITIES OF THE COUNTRY are in fact, vanity purchasers.
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farms to the markets of Harrods and Bloomingdale's respectively....
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> But I would definitely argue that the majority of SUV owners who live IN
> THE MAJOR CITIES OF THE COUNTRY are in fact, vanity purchasers.
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