Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> Not if the polution standards are based on grams per mile, which I
> believe they are. The tailpipe sniffer doesn't care how much gas you
> put in, only how much pollution per mile you put out. These are
> independent issues.
>
Last time I took my Datsun 210 through emissions they did not dyno it,
only used a tailpipe sniffer and tachometer. This may have changed by
now, that was a couple years ago. They did dyno the 84 Chevy, though.
No doubt testing methodology is different in different states, but I had
thought that the EPA only mandates the state do emissions testing
for certain areas, and leaves a lot of the methodology up to the states.
Fore sure, in Oregon if your registered in certain counties you are not
required to pass emissions inspection.
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> Not if the polution standards are based on grams per mile, which I
> believe they are. The tailpipe sniffer doesn't care how much gas you
> put in, only how much pollution per mile you put out. These are
> independent issues.
>
Last time I took my Datsun 210 through emissions they did not dyno it,
only used a tailpipe sniffer and tachometer. This may have changed by
now, that was a couple years ago. They did dyno the 84 Chevy, though.
No doubt testing methodology is different in different states, but I had
thought that the EPA only mandates the state do emissions testing
for certain areas, and leaves a lot of the methodology up to the states.
Fore sure, in Oregon if your registered in certain counties you are not
required to pass emissions inspection.
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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>
> Not if the polution standards are based on grams per mile, which I
> believe they are. The tailpipe sniffer doesn't care how much gas you
> put in, only how much pollution per mile you put out. These are
> independent issues.
>
Last time I took my Datsun 210 through emissions they did not dyno it,
only used a tailpipe sniffer and tachometer. This may have changed by
now, that was a couple years ago. They did dyno the 84 Chevy, though.
No doubt testing methodology is different in different states, but I had
thought that the EPA only mandates the state do emissions testing
for certain areas, and leaves a lot of the methodology up to the states.
Fore sure, in Oregon if your registered in certain counties you are not
required to pass emissions inspection.
Ted
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <KwXkb.760$qE5.7107783@news-text.cableinet.net>,
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
>
>"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be treated in
>the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting insulted
back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
>
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
>
>"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be treated in
>the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting insulted
back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
>
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <KwXkb.760$qE5.7107783@news-text.cableinet.net>,
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
>
>"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be treated in
>the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting insulted
back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
>
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
>
>"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be treated in
>the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting insulted
back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
>
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <KwXkb.760$qE5.7107783@news-text.cableinet.net>,
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
>
>"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be treated in
>the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting insulted
back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
>
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
>
>"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be treated in
>the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting insulted
back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
>
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <vp8o1d99dvrr64@corp.supernews.com>,
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bn0uim$pdq$11@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <MPG.19fbd425bcc7fbbb989e1c@news.eastlink.ca>,
>> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >In article <MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
>> >spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com says...
>> >> >
>> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
>don't
>> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Wellt here's one that gets below 10mpg that I can think of it that one
>> >just bearly sells at all.
>> Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, Hummer, Escalade, Escalade EXT, Escalade ESL,
>Hummer
>> H1, Hummer H2, Expedition, Excursion, Durango, Range Rover.
>>
>> Try looking at the real mpg reported in road tests.
>
>To borrow a phrase from you Lloyd, your lying.
>And it isn't even a convincing lie.
>
>
I seem to remember a C/D road test of a full-size Chevy pickup that got below
10 mpg, as did the CR test of the Excursion.
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bn0uim$pdq$11@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <MPG.19fbd425bcc7fbbb989e1c@news.eastlink.ca>,
>> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >In article <MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
>> >spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com says...
>> >> >
>> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
>don't
>> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Wellt here's one that gets below 10mpg that I can think of it that one
>> >just bearly sells at all.
>> Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, Hummer, Escalade, Escalade EXT, Escalade ESL,
>Hummer
>> H1, Hummer H2, Expedition, Excursion, Durango, Range Rover.
>>
>> Try looking at the real mpg reported in road tests.
>
>To borrow a phrase from you Lloyd, your lying.
>And it isn't even a convincing lie.
>
>
I seem to remember a C/D road test of a full-size Chevy pickup that got below
10 mpg, as did the CR test of the Excursion.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <vp8o1d99dvrr64@corp.supernews.com>,
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bn0uim$pdq$11@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <MPG.19fbd425bcc7fbbb989e1c@news.eastlink.ca>,
>> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >In article <MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
>> >spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com says...
>> >> >
>> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
>don't
>> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Wellt here's one that gets below 10mpg that I can think of it that one
>> >just bearly sells at all.
>> Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, Hummer, Escalade, Escalade EXT, Escalade ESL,
>Hummer
>> H1, Hummer H2, Expedition, Excursion, Durango, Range Rover.
>>
>> Try looking at the real mpg reported in road tests.
>
>To borrow a phrase from you Lloyd, your lying.
>And it isn't even a convincing lie.
>
>
I seem to remember a C/D road test of a full-size Chevy pickup that got below
10 mpg, as did the CR test of the Excursion.
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bn0uim$pdq$11@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <MPG.19fbd425bcc7fbbb989e1c@news.eastlink.ca>,
>> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >In article <MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
>> >spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com says...
>> >> >
>> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
>don't
>> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Wellt here's one that gets below 10mpg that I can think of it that one
>> >just bearly sells at all.
>> Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, Hummer, Escalade, Escalade EXT, Escalade ESL,
>Hummer
>> H1, Hummer H2, Expedition, Excursion, Durango, Range Rover.
>>
>> Try looking at the real mpg reported in road tests.
>
>To borrow a phrase from you Lloyd, your lying.
>And it isn't even a convincing lie.
>
>
I seem to remember a C/D road test of a full-size Chevy pickup that got below
10 mpg, as did the CR test of the Excursion.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <vp8o1d99dvrr64@corp.supernews.com>,
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bn0uim$pdq$11@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <MPG.19fbd425bcc7fbbb989e1c@news.eastlink.ca>,
>> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >In article <MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
>> >spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com says...
>> >> >
>> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
>don't
>> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Wellt here's one that gets below 10mpg that I can think of it that one
>> >just bearly sells at all.
>> Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, Hummer, Escalade, Escalade EXT, Escalade ESL,
>Hummer
>> H1, Hummer H2, Expedition, Excursion, Durango, Range Rover.
>>
>> Try looking at the real mpg reported in road tests.
>
>To borrow a phrase from you Lloyd, your lying.
>And it isn't even a convincing lie.
>
>
I seem to remember a C/D road test of a full-size Chevy pickup that got below
10 mpg, as did the CR test of the Excursion.
"Douglas A. Shrader" <dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bn0uim$pdq$11@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <MPG.19fbd425bcc7fbbb989e1c@news.eastlink.ca>,
>> Chris Phillipo <Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >In article <MVmkb.2269$np1.130@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
>> >spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com says...
>> >> >
>> >> > SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, that's pretty accurate, if we're talking about the SUVs that
>SELL
>> >> WELL. The ones that get good mileage are enough like cars that they
>don't
>> >> appeal to SUV buyers. -Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Wellt here's one that gets below 10mpg that I can think of it that one
>> >just bearly sells at all.
>> Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon, Hummer, Escalade, Escalade EXT, Escalade ESL,
>Hummer
>> H1, Hummer H2, Expedition, Excursion, Durango, Range Rover.
>>
>> Try looking at the real mpg reported in road tests.
>
>To borrow a phrase from you Lloyd, your lying.
>And it isn't even a convincing lie.
>
>
I seem to remember a C/D road test of a full-size Chevy pickup that got below
10 mpg, as did the CR test of the Excursion.
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
In article <3F94665E.3090100@computer.org>,
"Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote:
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>> In article <3F923A5A.863A80EE@itis.com>, Aardwolf <se1aard1@itis.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And the simple solution is to raise the truck CAFE, as the car CAFE has
>>>
>> been
>>
>>>>several times, or better yet, to have one CAFE for both cars and trucks.
>>>
>>>No the simple solution is to tax gas. Utterly fair, cost dependent on use,
>>
>> no
>>
>>>arbitrary restrictions as to which types of vehicles can and can't be
>>
>> produced.
>>
>>>Also the only real way to make people _want_ to use less fuel each and
every
>>>day. Wouldn't even need a huge one like in Europe, or any of thos e
>>>double-jeopardy diplacement taxes either, just a moderate one like in
>>
>> Australia.
>>
>>>Unfortunately it won't fly.
>>
>>
>> OK. You could also base car registration fees on gas mileage instead of
>> value, as is done now in a lot of states.
>
>Yep, and charge city dwellers what the true cost of mass transit is, not
>the heavily subsidized cost.
>
>
>Matt
>
Air travellers too, then.
"Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote:
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>> In article <3F923A5A.863A80EE@itis.com>, Aardwolf <se1aard1@itis.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And the simple solution is to raise the truck CAFE, as the car CAFE has
>>>
>> been
>>
>>>>several times, or better yet, to have one CAFE for both cars and trucks.
>>>
>>>No the simple solution is to tax gas. Utterly fair, cost dependent on use,
>>
>> no
>>
>>>arbitrary restrictions as to which types of vehicles can and can't be
>>
>> produced.
>>
>>>Also the only real way to make people _want_ to use less fuel each and
every
>>>day. Wouldn't even need a huge one like in Europe, or any of thos e
>>>double-jeopardy diplacement taxes either, just a moderate one like in
>>
>> Australia.
>>
>>>Unfortunately it won't fly.
>>
>>
>> OK. You could also base car registration fees on gas mileage instead of
>> value, as is done now in a lot of states.
>
>Yep, and charge city dwellers what the true cost of mass transit is, not
>the heavily subsidized cost.
>
>
>Matt
>
Air travellers too, then.