Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>
> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >>
> >
> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

LOL!

Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

They aren't kidding either!

I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
no 4x4.

Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
55-65 mph.

Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
whiteout for a minute or more.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>
> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >>
> >
> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

LOL!

Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

They aren't kidding either!

I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
no 4x4.

Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
55-65 mph.

Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
whiteout for a minute or more.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>
> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >>
> >
> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

LOL!

Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

They aren't kidding either!

I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
no 4x4.

Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
55-65 mph.

Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
whiteout for a minute or more.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
>
>
>>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>>
>>
>>>Let me be more specific-
>>
>> Always a good idea.
>>
>>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>>>speed.
>>
>> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
>> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
>
>
> Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> efforts to maintain control.

Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)

>
>
>> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
>> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
>> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
>> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
>
>
> Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> attack.
>
>
Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)

It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
>
>
>>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>>
>>
>>>Let me be more specific-
>>
>> Always a good idea.
>>
>>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>>>speed.
>>
>> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
>> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
>
>
> Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> efforts to maintain control.

Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)

>
>
>> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
>> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
>> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
>> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
>
>
> Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> attack.
>
>
Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)

It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
>
>
>>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>>
>>
>>>Let me be more specific-
>>
>> Always a good idea.
>>
>>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>>>speed.
>>
>> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
>> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
>
>
> Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> efforts to maintain control.

Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)

>
>
>> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
>> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
>> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
>> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
>
>
> Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> attack.
>
>
Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)

It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Mike,
Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
long ago?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
>
> They aren't kidding either!
>
> I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> no 4x4.
>
> Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> 55-65 mph.
>
> Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> whiteout for a minute or more.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Mike,
Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
long ago?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
>
> They aren't kidding either!
>
> I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> no 4x4.
>
> Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> 55-65 mph.
>
> Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> whiteout for a minute or more.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Mike,
Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
long ago?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
>
> They aren't kidding either!
>
> I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> no 4x4.
>
> Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> 55-65 mph.
>
> Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> whiteout for a minute or more.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

FrankW wrote:
>
> Barry Bean wrote:
> > "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> > news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
> >
> >
> >>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Let me be more specific-
> >>
> >> Always a good idea.
> >>
> >>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> >>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
> >>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
> >>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
> >>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
> >>>speed.
> >>
> >> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
> >> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
> >
> >
> > Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> > at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> > efforts to maintain control.
>
> Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
> or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)
>
> >
> >
> >> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
> >> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
> >> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
> >> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
> >
> >
> > Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> > take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> > attack.
> >
> >
> Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
> Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
> my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)
>
> It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
> cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Not knowing how to drive in 4x4 is more likely.

When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, you only lock up the front
tires so you lose steering until you pump the pedal. Jeeps especially
have rear anti lock brakes, have since the 70's.

If you are in 4x4 part time and hit the brakes, you lock up all 4 wheels
and will slide sideways into the ditch or do 360's faster than you can
blink.

People don't know this until it is too late. I even know folks that
have done exactly that and still after not known why it happened.

Some folks also don't realize just because you can get going faster
easier, you sure can't stop any faster.

If you leave the room to maneuver and know what happens when you hit the
brakes, then keeping up with the transport trucks is a good speed to
drive in my opinion and around here that is between 55 and 65 mph.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's