Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>
> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >>
> >
> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

LOL!

Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

They aren't kidding either!

I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
no 4x4.

Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
55-65 mph.

Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
whiteout for a minute or more.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>
> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >>
> >
> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

LOL!

Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

They aren't kidding either!

I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
no 4x4.

Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
55-65 mph.

Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
whiteout for a minute or more.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>
> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >>
> >
> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

LOL!

Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

They aren't kidding either!

I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
no 4x4.

Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
55-65 mph.

Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
whiteout for a minute or more.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
>
>
>>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>>
>>
>>>Let me be more specific-
>>
>> Always a good idea.
>>
>>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>>>speed.
>>
>> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
>> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
>
>
> Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> efforts to maintain control.

Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)

>
>
>> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
>> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
>> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
>> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
>
>
> Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> attack.
>
>
Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)

It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
>
>
>>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>>
>>
>>>Let me be more specific-
>>
>> Always a good idea.
>>
>>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>>>speed.
>>
>> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
>> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
>
>
> Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> efforts to maintain control.

Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)

>
>
>> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
>> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
>> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
>> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
>
>
> Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> attack.
>
>
Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)

It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Barry Bean wrote:
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
>
>
>>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>>
>>
>>>Let me be more specific-
>>
>> Always a good idea.
>>
>>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>>>speed.
>>
>> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
>> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
>
>
> Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> efforts to maintain control.

Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)

>
>
>> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
>> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
>> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
>> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
>
>
> Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> attack.
>
>
Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)

It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Mike,
Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
long ago?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
>
> They aren't kidding either!
>
> I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> no 4x4.
>
> Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> 55-65 mph.
>
> Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> whiteout for a minute or more.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Mike,
Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
long ago?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
>
> They aren't kidding either!
>
> I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> no 4x4.
>
> Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> 55-65 mph.
>
> Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> whiteout for a minute or more.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Mike,
Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
long ago?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
>
> They aren't kidding either!
>
> I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> no 4x4.
>
> Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> 55-65 mph.
>
> Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> whiteout for a minute or more.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

FrankW wrote:
>
> Barry Bean wrote:
> > "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> > news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
> >
> >
> >>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Let me be more specific-
> >>
> >> Always a good idea.
> >>
> >>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> >>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
> >>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
> >>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
> >>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
> >>>speed.
> >>
> >> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
> >> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
> >
> >
> > Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> > at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> > efforts to maintain control.
>
> Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
> or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)
>
> >
> >
> >> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
> >> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
> >> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
> >> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
> >
> >
> > Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> > take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> > attack.
> >
> >
> Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
> Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
> my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)
>
> It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
> cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Not knowing how to drive in 4x4 is more likely.

When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, you only lock up the front
tires so you lose steering until you pump the pedal. Jeeps especially
have rear anti lock brakes, have since the 70's.

If you are in 4x4 part time and hit the brakes, you lock up all 4 wheels
and will slide sideways into the ditch or do 360's faster than you can
blink.

People don't know this until it is too late. I even know folks that
have done exactly that and still after not known why it happened.

Some folks also don't realize just because you can get going faster
easier, you sure can't stop any faster.

If you leave the room to maneuver and know what happens when you hit the
brakes, then keeping up with the transport trucks is a good speed to
drive in my opinion and around here that is between 55 and 65 mph.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

FrankW wrote:
>
> Barry Bean wrote:
> > "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> > news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
> >
> >
> >>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Let me be more specific-
> >>
> >> Always a good idea.
> >>
> >>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> >>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
> >>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
> >>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
> >>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
> >>>speed.
> >>
> >> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
> >> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
> >
> >
> > Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> > at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> > efforts to maintain control.
>
> Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
> or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)
>
> >
> >
> >> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
> >> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
> >> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
> >> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
> >
> >
> > Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> > take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> > attack.
> >
> >
> Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
> Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
> my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)
>
> It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
> cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Not knowing how to drive in 4x4 is more likely.

When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, you only lock up the front
tires so you lose steering until you pump the pedal. Jeeps especially
have rear anti lock brakes, have since the 70's.

If you are in 4x4 part time and hit the brakes, you lock up all 4 wheels
and will slide sideways into the ditch or do 360's faster than you can
blink.

People don't know this until it is too late. I even know folks that
have done exactly that and still after not known why it happened.

Some folks also don't realize just because you can get going faster
easier, you sure can't stop any faster.

If you leave the room to maneuver and know what happens when you hit the
brakes, then keeping up with the transport trucks is a good speed to
drive in my opinion and around here that is between 55 and 65 mph.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

FrankW wrote:
>
> Barry Bean wrote:
> > "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> > news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
> >
> >
> >>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Let me be more specific-
> >>
> >> Always a good idea.
> >>
> >>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> >>>drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
> >>>"full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
> >>>in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
> >>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
> >>>speed.
> >>
> >> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
> >> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
> >
> >
> > Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
> > at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
> > efforts to maintain control.
>
> Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
> or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)
>
> >
> >
> >> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
> >> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
> >> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
> >> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.
> >
> >
> > Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
> > take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
> > attack.
> >
> >
> Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
> Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
> my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)
>
> It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even 2x4
> cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

Not knowing how to drive in 4x4 is more likely.

When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, you only lock up the front
tires so you lose steering until you pump the pedal. Jeeps especially
have rear anti lock brakes, have since the 70's.

If you are in 4x4 part time and hit the brakes, you lock up all 4 wheels
and will slide sideways into the ditch or do 360's faster than you can
blink.

People don't know this until it is too late. I even know folks that
have done exactly that and still after not known why it happened.

Some folks also don't realize just because you can get going faster
easier, you sure can't stop any faster.

If you leave the room to maneuver and know what happens when you hit the
brakes, then keeping up with the transport trucks is a good speed to
drive in my opinion and around here that is between 55 and 65 mph.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Tim,
If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Tim Hayes wrote:
>
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Tim,
If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Tim Hayes wrote:
>
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Hi Tim,
If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Tim Hayes wrote:
>
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

I've been in LA before when it rained. Those roads turn slicker than ice
when rain first hits them. I thought everybody was just being insanely
cautious until the first time I drove in those conditions myself.

Over here we get precipitation often enough that no oil or anything else
has a chance to build up on the surface to a level like it does out in CA.

Still, if the roads were empty, as they very often are when it snows
here, I still think its OK to have a little fun- so long as you are
jeopardizing other's lives and property.

Besides, this is a Jeeping group- rock-crawling and desert travel are
not any safer than 'speeding' on a snowy highway if you know what you
are doing. In all situations you have to know what to expect to be able
to handle your vehicle. You can learn to travel on a highway at 70+ mpg
in a blizzard just like you can learn not to flip your Jeep over when
climbing a steep incline.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tim Hayes wrote:
>
>>L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>>
>>I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
>>the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
>>in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>>
>>I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
>>There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
>>I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>>
>>That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
>>reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
>>traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

I've been in LA before when it rained. Those roads turn slicker than ice
when rain first hits them. I thought everybody was just being insanely
cautious until the first time I drove in those conditions myself.

Over here we get precipitation often enough that no oil or anything else
has a chance to build up on the surface to a level like it does out in CA.

Still, if the roads were empty, as they very often are when it snows
here, I still think its OK to have a little fun- so long as you are
jeopardizing other's lives and property.

Besides, this is a Jeeping group- rock-crawling and desert travel are
not any safer than 'speeding' on a snowy highway if you know what you
are doing. In all situations you have to know what to expect to be able
to handle your vehicle. You can learn to travel on a highway at 70+ mpg
in a blizzard just like you can learn not to flip your Jeep over when
climbing a steep incline.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tim Hayes wrote:
>
>>L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>>
>>I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
>>the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
>>in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>>
>>I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
>>There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
>>I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>>
>>That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
>>reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
>>traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

I've been in LA before when it rained. Those roads turn slicker than ice
when rain first hits them. I thought everybody was just being insanely
cautious until the first time I drove in those conditions myself.

Over here we get precipitation often enough that no oil or anything else
has a chance to build up on the surface to a level like it does out in CA.

Still, if the roads were empty, as they very often are when it snows
here, I still think its OK to have a little fun- so long as you are
jeopardizing other's lives and property.

Besides, this is a Jeeping group- rock-crawling and desert travel are
not any safer than 'speeding' on a snowy highway if you know what you
are doing. In all situations you have to know what to expect to be able
to handle your vehicle. You can learn to travel on a highway at 70+ mpg
in a blizzard just like you can learn not to flip your Jeep over when
climbing a steep incline.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tim Hayes wrote:
>
>>L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>>
>>I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
>>the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
>>in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>>
>>I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
>>There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
>>I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>>
>>That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
>>reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
>>traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Tim Hayes wrote:

> Still, if the roads were empty, as they very often are when it snows
> here, I still think its OK to have a little fun- so long as you are
> jeopardizing other's lives and property.


Um, that should be "are not jeopardizing"! ;)

Big difference, sorry!

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Tim Hayes wrote:

> Still, if the roads were empty, as they very often are when it snows
> here, I still think its OK to have a little fun- so long as you are
> jeopardizing other's lives and property.


Um, that should be "are not jeopardizing"! ;)

Big difference, sorry!

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Tim Hayes wrote:

> Still, if the roads were empty, as they very often are when it snows
> here, I still think its OK to have a little fun- so long as you are
> jeopardizing other's lives and property.


Um, that should be "are not jeopardizing"! ;)

Big difference, sorry!

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

On 06 Jan 2004 11:40 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:

> Jeeps especially
> have rear anti lock brakes, have since the 70's.

Not.

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Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

On 06 Jan 2004 11:40 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:

> Jeeps especially
> have rear anti lock brakes, have since the 70's.

Not.

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Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

On 06 Jan 2004 11:40 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:

> Jeeps especially
> have rear anti lock brakes, have since the 70's.

Not.

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Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Yes, it is still only 100 kph or about 63 mph on most. Some are up to
110 kph which is closer to 70 mph.
Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
> long ago?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> > your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
> >
> > They aren't kidding either!
> >
> > I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> > mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> > no 4x4.
> >
> > Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> > that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> > 55-65 mph.
> >
> > Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> > direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> > whiteout for a minute or more.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Yes, it is still only 100 kph or about 63 mph on most. Some are up to
110 kph which is closer to 70 mph.
Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
> long ago?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> > your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
> >
> > They aren't kidding either!
> >
> > I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> > mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> > no 4x4.
> >
> > Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> > that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> > 55-65 mph.
> >
> > Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> > direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> > whiteout for a minute or more.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Yes, it is still only 100 kph or about 63 mph on most. Some are up to
110 kph which is closer to 70 mph.
Mike

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Didn't Canada have a really low top speed on major roads not too
> long ago?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> > your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.
> >
> > They aren't kidding either!
> >
> > I was 'really' pissed and disappointed when my Jeep CJ7 with 31x10.5"
> > mud tires couldn't keep up to the transport trucks in the snow, 4x4 or
> > no 4x4.
> >
> > Then I got some 'good' sized tires on it for winter driving, 33x9.5's
> > that only have a 7.5" wide footprint and now I can easily keep up at
> > 55-65 mph.
> >
> > Man I'll tell ya, having a transport truck go blowing past you the same
> > direction in a snowstorm is a trip and 3/4. One I don't enjoy, total
> > whiteout for a minute or more.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:05, Mike Romain's monkeys randomly typed:

> Barry Bean wrote:
>>
>> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
>> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>>
>> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>> >>
>> >
>> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
>> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>>
>> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
>> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
>> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

Actually the best foul weather highway car I ever owned was a
darned Porsche 914/2. The balance and steering pretty much
made up for the lack of ground clearance or 4wd. Used
to drive that little sucker on freeways where even the
Semi's were beginning to head for safer venues... and passed
many a 4wd vehicle in the ditch.

Now for *slow* driving in really sucky weather, my preference
would be a farm tractor if it weren't for the brass monkey
factor, so will stick with a 4wd for that.

However, perhaps it is from growing up in areas where you
could drive on the highway more safely than you could walk
that gives me the willies when folks honestly are of the
highly mistaken impression that a 4wd is worth squat on
a freeway at high speed.


--
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Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:05, Mike Romain's monkeys randomly typed:

> Barry Bean wrote:
>>
>> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
>> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>>
>> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>> >>
>> >
>> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
>> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>>
>> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
>> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
>> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

Actually the best foul weather highway car I ever owned was a
darned Porsche 914/2. The balance and steering pretty much
made up for the lack of ground clearance or 4wd. Used
to drive that little sucker on freeways where even the
Semi's were beginning to head for safer venues... and passed
many a 4wd vehicle in the ditch.

Now for *slow* driving in really sucky weather, my preference
would be a farm tractor if it weren't for the brass monkey
factor, so will stick with a 4wd for that.

However, perhaps it is from growing up in areas where you
could drive on the highway more safely than you could walk
that gives me the willies when folks honestly are of the
highly mistaken impression that a 4wd is worth squat on
a freeway at high speed.


--
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Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:05, Mike Romain's monkeys randomly typed:

> Barry Bean wrote:
>>
>> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
>> news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:
>>
>> >> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>> >>
>> >
>> > On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
>> > color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>>
>> The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
>> benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
>> welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.
>
> LOL!
>
> Up here in Canada they have a saying: You know you are Canadian when
> your grandparents drive at 65 mph in a blizzard without blinking.

Actually the best foul weather highway car I ever owned was a
darned Porsche 914/2. The balance and steering pretty much
made up for the lack of ground clearance or 4wd. Used
to drive that little sucker on freeways where even the
Semi's were beginning to head for safer venues... and passed
many a 4wd vehicle in the ditch.

Now for *slow* driving in really sucky weather, my preference
would be a farm tractor if it weren't for the brass monkey
factor, so will stick with a 4wd for that.

However, perhaps it is from growing up in areas where you
could drive on the highway more safely than you could walk
that gives me the willies when folks honestly are of the
highly mistaken impression that a 4wd is worth squat on
a freeway at high speed.


--
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Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 11:57, Tim Hayes's monkeys randomly typed:

> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

That actually isn't that bad. Now try it on polished snow/ice
or up or down a hill with corners on it. Or just come west and
park anywhere along Donner Pass and watch all the 4wd geniuses
head for the nearest ditch on any snowy weekend.

>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

I hope this doesn't qualify as sane driving for you...which is why
I tend to get off any freeway when it rains or snows... too many
folks confuse ABS and/or AWD with actually being able to drive.


--
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Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 11:57, Tim Hayes's monkeys randomly typed:

> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

That actually isn't that bad. Now try it on polished snow/ice
or up or down a hill with corners on it. Or just come west and
park anywhere along Donner Pass and watch all the 4wd geniuses
head for the nearest ditch on any snowy weekend.

>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

I hope this doesn't qualify as sane driving for you...which is why
I tend to get off any freeway when it rains or snows... too many
folks confuse ABS and/or AWD with actually being able to drive.


--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 11:57, Tim Hayes's monkeys randomly typed:

> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

That actually isn't that bad. Now try it on polished snow/ice
or up or down a hill with corners on it. Or just come west and
park anywhere along Donner Pass and watch all the 4wd geniuses
head for the nearest ditch on any snowy weekend.

>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

I hope this doesn't qualify as sane driving for you...which is why
I tend to get off any freeway when it rains or snows... too many
folks confuse ABS and/or AWD with actually being able to drive.


--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:49, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :

You should have seen it here this past weekend when I-80 and 280
had a few spots of black ice at the on/off ramps. Looked like a
demolition derby. Informal survey observed a higher proportion
of AWD/4WD vehicles all trashed up than was actually on the road.



--
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Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:49, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :

You should have seen it here this past weekend when I-80 and 280
had a few spots of black ice at the on/off ramps. Looked like a
demolition derby. Informal survey observed a higher proportion
of AWD/4WD vehicles all trashed up than was actually on the road.



--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:49, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :

You should have seen it here this past weekend when I-80 and 280
had a few spots of black ice at the on/off ramps. Looked like a
demolition derby. Informal survey observed a higher proportion
of AWD/4WD vehicles all trashed up than was actually on the road.



--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Tim, your part-time 4x4 system didn't bind on the highway covered "in 3-4"
of fresh unplowed snow" because it won't bind if you're on a road totally
covered in snow, the tires can slip against the slippery snow and relieve
the binding between the f/r axles before it builds up too much.
L0nD0t.$t0we11 was right on saying a part-time 4x4 system should never be
used "on a highway unless it is extremely slippery"... and the totally
snow-covered highway you were on certainly qualifies as one.

Jerry
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"Tim Hayes" <thayes@remove-me.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
news:3ffb1317$1@rutgers.edu...
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.
>
>

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Tim, your part-time 4x4 system didn't bind on the highway covered "in 3-4"
of fresh unplowed snow" because it won't bind if you're on a road totally
covered in snow, the tires can slip against the slippery snow and relieve
the binding between the f/r axles before it builds up too much.
L0nD0t.$t0we11 was right on saying a part-time 4x4 system should never be
used "on a highway unless it is extremely slippery"... and the totally
snow-covered highway you were on certainly qualifies as one.

Jerry
--
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To email, remove 'me' from my email address
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"Tim Hayes" <thayes@remove-me.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
news:3ffb1317$1@rutgers.edu...
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.
>
>

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Tim, your part-time 4x4 system didn't bind on the highway covered "in 3-4"
of fresh unplowed snow" because it won't bind if you're on a road totally
covered in snow, the tires can slip against the slippery snow and relieve
the binding between the f/r axles before it builds up too much.
L0nD0t.$t0we11 was right on saying a part-time 4x4 system should never be
used "on a highway unless it is extremely slippery"... and the totally
snow-covered highway you were on certainly qualifies as one.

Jerry
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"Tim Hayes" <thayes@remove-me.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
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> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.
>
>

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 

Jeez. I was in similar conditions for Hogmanay and we did more like 30 mph
down the motorway.
Apart from anything else, if I tried to pass anyone you couldn't see
anything for the crap that got blown my way.
It may have been slow, but despite the fairly dense traffic I didn't see one
person that had fallen off the road.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tim Hayes wrote:
> >
> > L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
> >
> > > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
> >
> > I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> > the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> > in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
> >
> > I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> > There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> > I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
> >
> > That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> > reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> > traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that
road.