Hey Ya'll!
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Re: Hey Ya'll!
So you have winches on both front and back then? I mean... when you go face
first into the swamp how do you pull yourself out?
Do you carry 2 x 100+ pound winches around town while commuting back and
forth to work?
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"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I had one on my Cherokee. What I didn't think about? You don't get stuck on
> flat land, oh no. You get stuck in nasty, nappy, middle-of-your-doors-deep
> mud. You get stuck off-camber. You get on big, slippery rocks. You get
> stuck
> on a steep hill. Now you've got to carry the winch and winch plate (read:
> 100+LBS) from the back of your truck, thru this terrain, clear the mud
> from
> your reciever, slide it in. Put the pin in, hook the cables up, and NOW
> winch out. Also, it is not always possible to access the reciever to plug
> the winch in. I considered running trails with the winch on, but it hit
> EVERYTHING. Winch bumper? Just pull the cable and do it.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:817fd$4324e272$d8449845$5807@FUSE.NET...
>> Don't consider a reciever winch. Why not?
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>> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
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>> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:E86dnTo7P_4ARLneRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
>> > Kate-
>> > The lift is to accomodate the larger tires, the new shocks are to
>> > accomodate the lift.
>> >
>> > Sway bar discos (short for disconnects) replace the sway bar link so
> that
>> > you can effectively disconnect the sway bar from the suspension system
>> > without removing it from the vehicle.
>> >
>> > Your stock tires are OK but will get cut up easily, easily get flats,
> and
>> > get stuck in mud easily. The MT/R may be overkill, but it is a very
>> > good
>> > tire. I have a set on my 89 Cherokee that my mother now drives. They
>> > are
>> > tough, grab well, ride well and are quiet.
>> >
>> > Depending on what you want to do, all of the above mentioned is
>> > probably
>> > overkill. My Cherokee had a 2" spacer lift with an add-a-leaf in the
> rear
>> > and on 30" MT/Rs with sway bar discos, I could tackle a lot of stuff I
>> > couldn't.
>> >
>> > Lastly, consider a winch. Do not consider a reciever winch.
>> >
>> > Carl
>> >
>> >
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
>> >> 2" Spacer lift, new shocks, sway bar discos and a set of Goodyear
> MT/R's,
>> >> you'll do OK.
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>> >> > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
>> >> > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> though.
>> >> >
>> >> > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
>> >> > drop
>> > top
>> >> > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
>> >> > I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
>> >> > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a
> bit
>> >> but
>> >> > I will get used to it.
>> >> >
>> >> > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty
>> >> > for
>> >> > comfort, style and versitility.
>> >> > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and
>> > doing
>> >> > some exploring.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
>> >> > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
>> >> > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh!
>> >> > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated,
>> > Irish
>> >> > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
>> >> republican.
>> >> > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport
> and
>> >> > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>> >> >
>> >> > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Kate
>> >> > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
first into the swamp how do you pull yourself out?
Do you carry 2 x 100+ pound winches around town while commuting back and
forth to work?
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I had one on my Cherokee. What I didn't think about? You don't get stuck on
> flat land, oh no. You get stuck in nasty, nappy, middle-of-your-doors-deep
> mud. You get stuck off-camber. You get on big, slippery rocks. You get
> stuck
> on a steep hill. Now you've got to carry the winch and winch plate (read:
> 100+LBS) from the back of your truck, thru this terrain, clear the mud
> from
> your reciever, slide it in. Put the pin in, hook the cables up, and NOW
> winch out. Also, it is not always possible to access the reciever to plug
> the winch in. I considered running trails with the winch on, but it hit
> EVERYTHING. Winch bumper? Just pull the cable and do it.
>
> Carl
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:817fd$4324e272$d8449845$5807@FUSE.NET...
>> Don't consider a reciever winch. Why not?
>> --
>> .
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:E86dnTo7P_4ARLneRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
>> > Kate-
>> > The lift is to accomodate the larger tires, the new shocks are to
>> > accomodate the lift.
>> >
>> > Sway bar discos (short for disconnects) replace the sway bar link so
> that
>> > you can effectively disconnect the sway bar from the suspension system
>> > without removing it from the vehicle.
>> >
>> > Your stock tires are OK but will get cut up easily, easily get flats,
> and
>> > get stuck in mud easily. The MT/R may be overkill, but it is a very
>> > good
>> > tire. I have a set on my 89 Cherokee that my mother now drives. They
>> > are
>> > tough, grab well, ride well and are quiet.
>> >
>> > Depending on what you want to do, all of the above mentioned is
>> > probably
>> > overkill. My Cherokee had a 2" spacer lift with an add-a-leaf in the
> rear
>> > and on 30" MT/Rs with sway bar discos, I could tackle a lot of stuff I
>> > couldn't.
>> >
>> > Lastly, consider a winch. Do not consider a reciever winch.
>> >
>> > Carl
>> >
>> >
>> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
>> >> 2" Spacer lift, new shocks, sway bar discos and a set of Goodyear
> MT/R's,
>> >> you'll do OK.
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>> >> > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
>> >> > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> though.
>> >> >
>> >> > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
>> >> > drop
>> > top
>> >> > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
>> >> > I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
>> >> > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a
> bit
>> >> but
>> >> > I will get used to it.
>> >> >
>> >> > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty
>> >> > for
>> >> > comfort, style and versitility.
>> >> > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and
>> > doing
>> >> > some exploring.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
>> >> > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
>> >> > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh!
>> >> > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated,
>> > Irish
>> >> > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
>> >> republican.
>> >> > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport
> and
>> >> > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>> >> >
>> >> > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Kate
>> >> > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
#142
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Re: Hey Ya'll!
Hey Kate - I am glad to see that you took the advice and found this group.
I also see that you have made a bunch of reliable friends already - these
are the folks that actually know what they are talking about. If folks post
bad info here it is corrected promptly by these who know, so you are in safe
advice hands here.
See you around,
Tomes
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
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> Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years though.
>
> After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop top
> for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a bit
but
> I will get used to it.
>
> In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty for
> comfort, style and versitility.
> I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and doing
> some exploring.
>
> I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>
> Oh!
> I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated, Irish
> woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
republican.
> I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport and
> worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>
> Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
>
>
I also see that you have made a bunch of reliable friends already - these
are the folks that actually know what they are talking about. If folks post
bad info here it is corrected promptly by these who know, so you are in safe
advice hands here.
See you around,
Tomes
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years though.
>
> After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop top
> for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a bit
but
> I will get used to it.
>
> In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty for
> comfort, style and versitility.
> I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and doing
> some exploring.
>
> I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>
> Oh!
> I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated, Irish
> woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
republican.
> I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport and
> worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>
> Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
>
>
#143
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Re: Hey Ya'll!
Hey Kate - I am glad to see that you took the advice and found this group.
I also see that you have made a bunch of reliable friends already - these
are the folks that actually know what they are talking about. If folks post
bad info here it is corrected promptly by these who know, so you are in safe
advice hands here.
See you around,
Tomes
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years though.
>
> After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop top
> for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a bit
but
> I will get used to it.
>
> In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty for
> comfort, style and versitility.
> I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and doing
> some exploring.
>
> I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>
> Oh!
> I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated, Irish
> woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
republican.
> I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport and
> worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>
> Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
>
>
I also see that you have made a bunch of reliable friends already - these
are the folks that actually know what they are talking about. If folks post
bad info here it is corrected promptly by these who know, so you are in safe
advice hands here.
See you around,
Tomes
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years though.
>
> After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop top
> for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a bit
but
> I will get used to it.
>
> In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty for
> comfort, style and versitility.
> I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and doing
> some exploring.
>
> I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>
> Oh!
> I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated, Irish
> woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
republican.
> I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport and
> worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>
> Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
>
>
#144
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Re: Hey Ya'll!
Hey Kate - I am glad to see that you took the advice and found this group.
I also see that you have made a bunch of reliable friends already - these
are the folks that actually know what they are talking about. If folks post
bad info here it is corrected promptly by these who know, so you are in safe
advice hands here.
See you around,
Tomes
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years though.
>
> After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop top
> for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a bit
but
> I will get used to it.
>
> In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty for
> comfort, style and versitility.
> I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and doing
> some exploring.
>
> I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>
> Oh!
> I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated, Irish
> woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
republican.
> I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport and
> worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>
> Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
>
>
I also see that you have made a bunch of reliable friends already - these
are the folks that actually know what they are talking about. If folks post
bad info here it is corrected promptly by these who know, so you are in safe
advice hands here.
See you around,
Tomes
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years though.
>
> After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop top
> for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a bit
but
> I will get used to it.
>
> In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty for
> comfort, style and versitility.
> I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and doing
> some exploring.
>
> I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>
> Oh!
> I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated, Irish
> woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
republican.
> I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport and
> worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>
> Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
>
>
#145
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hey Ya'll!
Hey Kate - I am glad to see that you took the advice and found this group.
I also see that you have made a bunch of reliable friends already - these
are the folks that actually know what they are talking about. If folks post
bad info here it is corrected promptly by these who know, so you are in safe
advice hands here.
See you around,
Tomes
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years though.
>
> After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop top
> for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a bit
but
> I will get used to it.
>
> In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty for
> comfort, style and versitility.
> I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and doing
> some exploring.
>
> I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>
> Oh!
> I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated, Irish
> woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
republican.
> I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport and
> worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>
> Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
>
>
I also see that you have made a bunch of reliable friends already - these
are the folks that actually know what they are talking about. If folks post
bad info here it is corrected promptly by these who know, so you are in safe
advice hands here.
See you around,
Tomes
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years though.
>
> After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop top
> for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a bit
but
> I will get used to it.
>
> In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty for
> comfort, style and versitility.
> I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and doing
> some exploring.
>
> I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> exploring this beautiful part of the country.
>
> Oh!
> I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated, Irish
> woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
republican.
> I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport and
> worked in the automotive industry for many years.
>
> Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
>
>
#146
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Re: Hey Ya'll!
Kate,
It is a Jeep thing AND you are expecting too much. When I went from an A6 to
a WJ is was culture shock in the handling department. You can't take
off-ramps at 70 mph anymore.
I'm not sure about the amount of increased articulation you can get with the
disconnects on a KJ. I think Bill has more of the information on that.
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
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..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:b859a$4324ae21$d8449845$26172@FUSE.NET...
> : Kate,
> :
> : Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are
> a
> : ..... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road
> with
> : those.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>
> You guessed right. They seem to wander, or is it a Jeep thing, that I
> wouldn't understand ?
> My 1st CJ wandered like a drunken indian and I may be too used to the
> super
> tight suspension on my Cobra but this little thing seems a wee bit loose.
>
> :
> : The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like
> you
> : would have little need for them.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT
>
> Actually, I have this thing about mud. I have always liked to play in it
> BUT
> for now, I ahve what I have.... well, that and a AAA card if I don't go
> out
> too far I guess LOL
>
> :
> : If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of
> All
> : Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although
> the
> : swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
> : least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT
>
> Somehow, I doubt it BUTm you never know, I suppose I could ask.
>
> :
> : Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here
> but
> : not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see
> chart
> : above)
>
> The last set I had on my Cobra were Kuhmos.
> I was not all that happy with them. Seemed to need rebalancing all the
> time
>
> : Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
> : shocks or shock extensions.
>
> Gotcha
>
> :
> : The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway
> bar
> : for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
> : either.
>
> I might, you just never know. Better to have it and not need it than the
> other way around.
>
>
> : A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
> : someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The
> KJ's
> : not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
> : addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in
> the
> : future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
> : front.
>
> As far as I know, I did not win the lottery on Saturday night SOoooooo
> yes,
> money will be an object.
> One thing at a time.
>
> :
> : Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design
> limitations
> : and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had
> little
> : traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
> : traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You
> can
> : 'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it
> gas.
> : The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
> : thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the
> KJ
> : now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically.
> It
> : is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
> : driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your
> line
> : when given the chance.
> :
> : While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to
> replace
> : the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your
> old
> : CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
> : interior.
>
> Those were the days aye!
> Rubber mats. Yup, for mess making that would be the thing to have. Good
> idear ya got there.
>
> :
> : I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the
> 3.7
> : liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know
> where
> : to look and call for good information
>
> I have spent a little time googling the Liberty, have not found much out
> there yet.
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> :
> : --
> : .
> : Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> : 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> : Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> : Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> : .
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : > : 2" Spacer lift,
> : >
> : > Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
> : >
> : > new shocks,
> : > but, but, but these ARE new.
> : > Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
> : >
> : > sway bar discos
> : > HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
> : >
> : > and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> : > I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
> : >
> : > : you'll do OK.
> : > Thanks!
> : > :ŹD
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : > :
> : > : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> : > though.
> : > : >
> : > : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> drop
> : > top
> : > : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
> correct.
> : > : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
> a
> : > bit
> : > : but
> : > : > I will get used to it.
> : > : >
> : > : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
> Liberty
> : > for
> : > : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
> and
> : > doing
> : > : > some exploring.
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
> : > : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
> go
> : > : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh!
> : > : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
> opinionated,
> : > Irish
> : > : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : > : republican.
> : > : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
> sport
> : > and
> : > : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : > : >
> : > : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Kate
> : > : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
It is a Jeep thing AND you are expecting too much. When I went from an A6 to
a WJ is was culture shock in the handling department. You can't take
off-ramps at 70 mph anymore.
I'm not sure about the amount of increased articulation you can get with the
disconnects on a KJ. I think Bill has more of the information on that.
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:266Ve.11146$FW1.2884@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:b859a$4324ae21$d8449845$26172@FUSE.NET...
> : Kate,
> :
> : Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are
> a
> : ..... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road
> with
> : those.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>
> You guessed right. They seem to wander, or is it a Jeep thing, that I
> wouldn't understand ?
> My 1st CJ wandered like a drunken indian and I may be too used to the
> super
> tight suspension on my Cobra but this little thing seems a wee bit loose.
>
> :
> : The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like
> you
> : would have little need for them.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT
>
> Actually, I have this thing about mud. I have always liked to play in it
> BUT
> for now, I ahve what I have.... well, that and a AAA card if I don't go
> out
> too far I guess LOL
>
> :
> : If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of
> All
> : Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although
> the
> : swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
> : least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT
>
> Somehow, I doubt it BUTm you never know, I suppose I could ask.
>
> :
> : Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here
> but
> : not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see
> chart
> : above)
>
> The last set I had on my Cobra were Kuhmos.
> I was not all that happy with them. Seemed to need rebalancing all the
> time
>
> : Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
> : shocks or shock extensions.
>
> Gotcha
>
> :
> : The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway
> bar
> : for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
> : either.
>
> I might, you just never know. Better to have it and not need it than the
> other way around.
>
>
> : A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
> : someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The
> KJ's
> : not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
> : addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in
> the
> : future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
> : front.
>
> As far as I know, I did not win the lottery on Saturday night SOoooooo
> yes,
> money will be an object.
> One thing at a time.
>
> :
> : Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design
> limitations
> : and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had
> little
> : traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
> : traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You
> can
> : 'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it
> gas.
> : The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
> : thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the
> KJ
> : now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically.
> It
> : is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
> : driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your
> line
> : when given the chance.
> :
> : While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to
> replace
> : the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your
> old
> : CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
> : interior.
>
> Those were the days aye!
> Rubber mats. Yup, for mess making that would be the thing to have. Good
> idear ya got there.
>
> :
> : I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the
> 3.7
> : liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know
> where
> : to look and call for good information
>
> I have spent a little time googling the Liberty, have not found much out
> there yet.
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> :
> : --
> : .
> : Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> : 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> : Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> : Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> : .
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : > : 2" Spacer lift,
> : >
> : > Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
> : >
> : > new shocks,
> : > but, but, but these ARE new.
> : > Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
> : >
> : > sway bar discos
> : > HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
> : >
> : > and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> : > I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
> : >
> : > : you'll do OK.
> : > Thanks!
> : > :ŹD
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : > :
> : > : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> : > though.
> : > : >
> : > : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> drop
> : > top
> : > : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
> correct.
> : > : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
> a
> : > bit
> : > : but
> : > : > I will get used to it.
> : > : >
> : > : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
> Liberty
> : > for
> : > : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
> and
> : > doing
> : > : > some exploring.
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
> : > : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
> go
> : > : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh!
> : > : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
> opinionated,
> : > Irish
> : > : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : > : republican.
> : > : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
> sport
> : > and
> : > : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : > : >
> : > : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Kate
> : > : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
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Re: Hey Ya'll!
Kate,
It is a Jeep thing AND you are expecting too much. When I went from an A6 to
a WJ is was culture shock in the handling department. You can't take
off-ramps at 70 mph anymore.
I'm not sure about the amount of increased articulation you can get with the
disconnects on a KJ. I think Bill has more of the information on that.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:266Ve.11146$FW1.2884@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:b859a$4324ae21$d8449845$26172@FUSE.NET...
> : Kate,
> :
> : Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are
> a
> : ..... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road
> with
> : those.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>
> You guessed right. They seem to wander, or is it a Jeep thing, that I
> wouldn't understand ?
> My 1st CJ wandered like a drunken indian and I may be too used to the
> super
> tight suspension on my Cobra but this little thing seems a wee bit loose.
>
> :
> : The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like
> you
> : would have little need for them.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT
>
> Actually, I have this thing about mud. I have always liked to play in it
> BUT
> for now, I ahve what I have.... well, that and a AAA card if I don't go
> out
> too far I guess LOL
>
> :
> : If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of
> All
> : Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although
> the
> : swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
> : least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT
>
> Somehow, I doubt it BUTm you never know, I suppose I could ask.
>
> :
> : Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here
> but
> : not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see
> chart
> : above)
>
> The last set I had on my Cobra were Kuhmos.
> I was not all that happy with them. Seemed to need rebalancing all the
> time
>
> : Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
> : shocks or shock extensions.
>
> Gotcha
>
> :
> : The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway
> bar
> : for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
> : either.
>
> I might, you just never know. Better to have it and not need it than the
> other way around.
>
>
> : A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
> : someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The
> KJ's
> : not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
> : addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in
> the
> : future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
> : front.
>
> As far as I know, I did not win the lottery on Saturday night SOoooooo
> yes,
> money will be an object.
> One thing at a time.
>
> :
> : Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design
> limitations
> : and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had
> little
> : traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
> : traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You
> can
> : 'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it
> gas.
> : The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
> : thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the
> KJ
> : now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically.
> It
> : is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
> : driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your
> line
> : when given the chance.
> :
> : While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to
> replace
> : the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your
> old
> : CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
> : interior.
>
> Those were the days aye!
> Rubber mats. Yup, for mess making that would be the thing to have. Good
> idear ya got there.
>
> :
> : I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the
> 3.7
> : liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know
> where
> : to look and call for good information
>
> I have spent a little time googling the Liberty, have not found much out
> there yet.
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> :
> : --
> : .
> : Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> : 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> : Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> : Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> : .
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : > : 2" Spacer lift,
> : >
> : > Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
> : >
> : > new shocks,
> : > but, but, but these ARE new.
> : > Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
> : >
> : > sway bar discos
> : > HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
> : >
> : > and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> : > I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
> : >
> : > : you'll do OK.
> : > Thanks!
> : > :ŹD
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : > :
> : > : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> : > though.
> : > : >
> : > : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> drop
> : > top
> : > : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
> correct.
> : > : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
> a
> : > bit
> : > : but
> : > : > I will get used to it.
> : > : >
> : > : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
> Liberty
> : > for
> : > : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
> and
> : > doing
> : > : > some exploring.
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
> : > : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
> go
> : > : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh!
> : > : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
> opinionated,
> : > Irish
> : > : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : > : republican.
> : > : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
> sport
> : > and
> : > : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : > : >
> : > : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Kate
> : > : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
It is a Jeep thing AND you are expecting too much. When I went from an A6 to
a WJ is was culture shock in the handling department. You can't take
off-ramps at 70 mph anymore.
I'm not sure about the amount of increased articulation you can get with the
disconnects on a KJ. I think Bill has more of the information on that.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:266Ve.11146$FW1.2884@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:b859a$4324ae21$d8449845$26172@FUSE.NET...
> : Kate,
> :
> : Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are
> a
> : ..... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road
> with
> : those.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>
> You guessed right. They seem to wander, or is it a Jeep thing, that I
> wouldn't understand ?
> My 1st CJ wandered like a drunken indian and I may be too used to the
> super
> tight suspension on my Cobra but this little thing seems a wee bit loose.
>
> :
> : The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like
> you
> : would have little need for them.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT
>
> Actually, I have this thing about mud. I have always liked to play in it
> BUT
> for now, I ahve what I have.... well, that and a AAA card if I don't go
> out
> too far I guess LOL
>
> :
> : If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of
> All
> : Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although
> the
> : swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
> : least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT
>
> Somehow, I doubt it BUTm you never know, I suppose I could ask.
>
> :
> : Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here
> but
> : not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see
> chart
> : above)
>
> The last set I had on my Cobra were Kuhmos.
> I was not all that happy with them. Seemed to need rebalancing all the
> time
>
> : Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
> : shocks or shock extensions.
>
> Gotcha
>
> :
> : The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway
> bar
> : for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
> : either.
>
> I might, you just never know. Better to have it and not need it than the
> other way around.
>
>
> : A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
> : someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The
> KJ's
> : not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
> : addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in
> the
> : future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
> : front.
>
> As far as I know, I did not win the lottery on Saturday night SOoooooo
> yes,
> money will be an object.
> One thing at a time.
>
> :
> : Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design
> limitations
> : and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had
> little
> : traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
> : traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You
> can
> : 'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it
> gas.
> : The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
> : thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the
> KJ
> : now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically.
> It
> : is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
> : driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your
> line
> : when given the chance.
> :
> : While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to
> replace
> : the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your
> old
> : CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
> : interior.
>
> Those were the days aye!
> Rubber mats. Yup, for mess making that would be the thing to have. Good
> idear ya got there.
>
> :
> : I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the
> 3.7
> : liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know
> where
> : to look and call for good information
>
> I have spent a little time googling the Liberty, have not found much out
> there yet.
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> :
> : --
> : .
> : Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> : 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> : Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> : Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> : .
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : > : 2" Spacer lift,
> : >
> : > Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
> : >
> : > new shocks,
> : > but, but, but these ARE new.
> : > Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
> : >
> : > sway bar discos
> : > HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
> : >
> : > and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> : > I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
> : >
> : > : you'll do OK.
> : > Thanks!
> : > :ŹD
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : > :
> : > : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> : > though.
> : > : >
> : > : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> drop
> : > top
> : > : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
> correct.
> : > : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
> a
> : > bit
> : > : but
> : > : > I will get used to it.
> : > : >
> : > : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
> Liberty
> : > for
> : > : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
> and
> : > doing
> : > : > some exploring.
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
> : > : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
> go
> : > : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh!
> : > : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
> opinionated,
> : > Irish
> : > : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : > : republican.
> : > : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
> sport
> : > and
> : > : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : > : >
> : > : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Kate
> : > : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
#148
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hey Ya'll!
Kate,
It is a Jeep thing AND you are expecting too much. When I went from an A6 to
a WJ is was culture shock in the handling department. You can't take
off-ramps at 70 mph anymore.
I'm not sure about the amount of increased articulation you can get with the
disconnects on a KJ. I think Bill has more of the information on that.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:266Ve.11146$FW1.2884@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:b859a$4324ae21$d8449845$26172@FUSE.NET...
> : Kate,
> :
> : Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are
> a
> : ..... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road
> with
> : those.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>
> You guessed right. They seem to wander, or is it a Jeep thing, that I
> wouldn't understand ?
> My 1st CJ wandered like a drunken indian and I may be too used to the
> super
> tight suspension on my Cobra but this little thing seems a wee bit loose.
>
> :
> : The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like
> you
> : would have little need for them.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT
>
> Actually, I have this thing about mud. I have always liked to play in it
> BUT
> for now, I ahve what I have.... well, that and a AAA card if I don't go
> out
> too far I guess LOL
>
> :
> : If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of
> All
> : Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although
> the
> : swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
> : least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT
>
> Somehow, I doubt it BUTm you never know, I suppose I could ask.
>
> :
> : Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here
> but
> : not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see
> chart
> : above)
>
> The last set I had on my Cobra were Kuhmos.
> I was not all that happy with them. Seemed to need rebalancing all the
> time
>
> : Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
> : shocks or shock extensions.
>
> Gotcha
>
> :
> : The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway
> bar
> : for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
> : either.
>
> I might, you just never know. Better to have it and not need it than the
> other way around.
>
>
> : A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
> : someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The
> KJ's
> : not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
> : addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in
> the
> : future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
> : front.
>
> As far as I know, I did not win the lottery on Saturday night SOoooooo
> yes,
> money will be an object.
> One thing at a time.
>
> :
> : Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design
> limitations
> : and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had
> little
> : traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
> : traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You
> can
> : 'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it
> gas.
> : The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
> : thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the
> KJ
> : now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically.
> It
> : is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
> : driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your
> line
> : when given the chance.
> :
> : While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to
> replace
> : the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your
> old
> : CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
> : interior.
>
> Those were the days aye!
> Rubber mats. Yup, for mess making that would be the thing to have. Good
> idear ya got there.
>
> :
> : I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the
> 3.7
> : liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know
> where
> : to look and call for good information
>
> I have spent a little time googling the Liberty, have not found much out
> there yet.
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> :
> : --
> : .
> : Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> : 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> : Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> : Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> : .
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : > : 2" Spacer lift,
> : >
> : > Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
> : >
> : > new shocks,
> : > but, but, but these ARE new.
> : > Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
> : >
> : > sway bar discos
> : > HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
> : >
> : > and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> : > I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
> : >
> : > : you'll do OK.
> : > Thanks!
> : > :ŹD
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : > :
> : > : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> : > though.
> : > : >
> : > : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> drop
> : > top
> : > : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
> correct.
> : > : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
> a
> : > bit
> : > : but
> : > : > I will get used to it.
> : > : >
> : > : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
> Liberty
> : > for
> : > : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
> and
> : > doing
> : > : > some exploring.
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
> : > : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
> go
> : > : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh!
> : > : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
> opinionated,
> : > Irish
> : > : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : > : republican.
> : > : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
> sport
> : > and
> : > : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : > : >
> : > : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Kate
> : > : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
It is a Jeep thing AND you are expecting too much. When I went from an A6 to
a WJ is was culture shock in the handling department. You can't take
off-ramps at 70 mph anymore.
I'm not sure about the amount of increased articulation you can get with the
disconnects on a KJ. I think Bill has more of the information on that.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:266Ve.11146$FW1.2884@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:b859a$4324ae21$d8449845$26172@FUSE.NET...
> : Kate,
> :
> : Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are
> a
> : ..... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road
> with
> : those.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>
> You guessed right. They seem to wander, or is it a Jeep thing, that I
> wouldn't understand ?
> My 1st CJ wandered like a drunken indian and I may be too used to the
> super
> tight suspension on my Cobra but this little thing seems a wee bit loose.
>
> :
> : The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like
> you
> : would have little need for them.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT
>
> Actually, I have this thing about mud. I have always liked to play in it
> BUT
> for now, I ahve what I have.... well, that and a AAA card if I don't go
> out
> too far I guess LOL
>
> :
> : If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of
> All
> : Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although
> the
> : swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
> : least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT
>
> Somehow, I doubt it BUTm you never know, I suppose I could ask.
>
> :
> : Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here
> but
> : not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see
> chart
> : above)
>
> The last set I had on my Cobra were Kuhmos.
> I was not all that happy with them. Seemed to need rebalancing all the
> time
>
> : Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
> : shocks or shock extensions.
>
> Gotcha
>
> :
> : The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway
> bar
> : for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
> : either.
>
> I might, you just never know. Better to have it and not need it than the
> other way around.
>
>
> : A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
> : someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The
> KJ's
> : not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
> : addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in
> the
> : future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
> : front.
>
> As far as I know, I did not win the lottery on Saturday night SOoooooo
> yes,
> money will be an object.
> One thing at a time.
>
> :
> : Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design
> limitations
> : and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had
> little
> : traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
> : traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You
> can
> : 'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it
> gas.
> : The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
> : thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the
> KJ
> : now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically.
> It
> : is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
> : driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your
> line
> : when given the chance.
> :
> : While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to
> replace
> : the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your
> old
> : CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
> : interior.
>
> Those were the days aye!
> Rubber mats. Yup, for mess making that would be the thing to have. Good
> idear ya got there.
>
> :
> : I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the
> 3.7
> : liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know
> where
> : to look and call for good information
>
> I have spent a little time googling the Liberty, have not found much out
> there yet.
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> :
> : --
> : .
> : Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> : 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> : Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> : Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> : .
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : > : 2" Spacer lift,
> : >
> : > Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
> : >
> : > new shocks,
> : > but, but, but these ARE new.
> : > Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
> : >
> : > sway bar discos
> : > HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
> : >
> : > and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> : > I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
> : >
> : > : you'll do OK.
> : > Thanks!
> : > :ŹD
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : > :
> : > : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> : > though.
> : > : >
> : > : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> drop
> : > top
> : > : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
> correct.
> : > : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
> a
> : > bit
> : > : but
> : > : > I will get used to it.
> : > : >
> : > : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
> Liberty
> : > for
> : > : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
> and
> : > doing
> : > : > some exploring.
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
> : > : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
> go
> : > : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh!
> : > : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
> opinionated,
> : > Irish
> : > : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : > : republican.
> : > : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
> sport
> : > and
> : > : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : > : >
> : > : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Kate
> : > : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
#149
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hey Ya'll!
Kate,
It is a Jeep thing AND you are expecting too much. When I went from an A6 to
a WJ is was culture shock in the handling department. You can't take
off-ramps at 70 mph anymore.
I'm not sure about the amount of increased articulation you can get with the
disconnects on a KJ. I think Bill has more of the information on that.
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:266Ve.11146$FW1.2884@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:b859a$4324ae21$d8449845$26172@FUSE.NET...
> : Kate,
> :
> : Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are
> a
> : ..... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road
> with
> : those.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>
> You guessed right. They seem to wander, or is it a Jeep thing, that I
> wouldn't understand ?
> My 1st CJ wandered like a drunken indian and I may be too used to the
> super
> tight suspension on my Cobra but this little thing seems a wee bit loose.
>
> :
> : The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like
> you
> : would have little need for them.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT
>
> Actually, I have this thing about mud. I have always liked to play in it
> BUT
> for now, I ahve what I have.... well, that and a AAA card if I don't go
> out
> too far I guess LOL
>
> :
> : If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of
> All
> : Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although
> the
> : swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
> : least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT
>
> Somehow, I doubt it BUTm you never know, I suppose I could ask.
>
> :
> : Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here
> but
> : not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see
> chart
> : above)
>
> The last set I had on my Cobra were Kuhmos.
> I was not all that happy with them. Seemed to need rebalancing all the
> time
>
> : Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
> : shocks or shock extensions.
>
> Gotcha
>
> :
> : The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway
> bar
> : for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
> : either.
>
> I might, you just never know. Better to have it and not need it than the
> other way around.
>
>
> : A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
> : someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The
> KJ's
> : not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
> : addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in
> the
> : future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
> : front.
>
> As far as I know, I did not win the lottery on Saturday night SOoooooo
> yes,
> money will be an object.
> One thing at a time.
>
> :
> : Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design
> limitations
> : and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had
> little
> : traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
> : traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You
> can
> : 'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it
> gas.
> : The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
> : thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the
> KJ
> : now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically.
> It
> : is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
> : driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your
> line
> : when given the chance.
> :
> : While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to
> replace
> : the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your
> old
> : CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
> : interior.
>
> Those were the days aye!
> Rubber mats. Yup, for mess making that would be the thing to have. Good
> idear ya got there.
>
> :
> : I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the
> 3.7
> : liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know
> where
> : to look and call for good information
>
> I have spent a little time googling the Liberty, have not found much out
> there yet.
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> :
> : --
> : .
> : Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> : 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> : Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> : Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> : .
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : > : 2" Spacer lift,
> : >
> : > Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
> : >
> : > new shocks,
> : > but, but, but these ARE new.
> : > Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
> : >
> : > sway bar discos
> : > HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
> : >
> : > and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> : > I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
> : >
> : > : you'll do OK.
> : > Thanks!
> : > :ŹD
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : > :
> : > : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> : > though.
> : > : >
> : > : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> drop
> : > top
> : > : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
> correct.
> : > : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
> a
> : > bit
> : > : but
> : > : > I will get used to it.
> : > : >
> : > : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
> Liberty
> : > for
> : > : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
> and
> : > doing
> : > : > some exploring.
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
> : > : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
> go
> : > : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh!
> : > : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
> opinionated,
> : > Irish
> : > : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : > : republican.
> : > : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
> sport
> : > and
> : > : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : > : >
> : > : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Kate
> : > : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
It is a Jeep thing AND you are expecting too much. When I went from an A6 to
a WJ is was culture shock in the handling department. You can't take
off-ramps at 70 mph anymore.
I'm not sure about the amount of increased articulation you can get with the
disconnects on a KJ. I think Bill has more of the information on that.
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..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:266Ve.11146$FW1.2884@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:b859a$4324ae21$d8449845$26172@FUSE.NET...
> : Kate,
> :
> : Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are
> a
> : ..... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road
> with
> : those.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>
> You guessed right. They seem to wander, or is it a Jeep thing, that I
> wouldn't understand ?
> My 1st CJ wandered like a drunken indian and I may be too used to the
> super
> tight suspension on my Cobra but this little thing seems a wee bit loose.
>
> :
> : The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like
> you
> : would have little need for them.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT
>
> Actually, I have this thing about mud. I have always liked to play in it
> BUT
> for now, I ahve what I have.... well, that and a AAA card if I don't go
> out
> too far I guess LOL
>
> :
> : If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of
> All
> : Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although
> the
> : swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
> : least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
> : http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT
>
> Somehow, I doubt it BUTm you never know, I suppose I could ask.
>
> :
> : Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here
> but
> : not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see
> chart
> : above)
>
> The last set I had on my Cobra were Kuhmos.
> I was not all that happy with them. Seemed to need rebalancing all the
> time
>
> : Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
> : shocks or shock extensions.
>
> Gotcha
>
> :
> : The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway
> bar
> : for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
> : either.
>
> I might, you just never know. Better to have it and not need it than the
> other way around.
>
>
> : A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
> : someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The
> KJ's
> : not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
> : addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in
> the
> : future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
> : front.
>
> As far as I know, I did not win the lottery on Saturday night SOoooooo
> yes,
> money will be an object.
> One thing at a time.
>
> :
> : Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design
> limitations
> : and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had
> little
> : traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
> : traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You
> can
> : 'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it
> gas.
> : The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
> : thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the
> KJ
> : now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically.
> It
> : is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
> : driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your
> line
> : when given the chance.
> :
> : While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to
> replace
> : the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your
> old
> : CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
> : interior.
>
> Those were the days aye!
> Rubber mats. Yup, for mess making that would be the thing to have. Good
> idear ya got there.
>
> :
> : I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the
> 3.7
> : liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know
> where
> : to look and call for good information
>
> I have spent a little time googling the Liberty, have not found much out
> there yet.
>
> Thanks for the input!
>
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> :
> : --
> : .
> : Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> : 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> : Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> : Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> : .
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : >
> : > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : > : 2" Spacer lift,
> : >
> : > Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
> : >
> : > new shocks,
> : > but, but, but these ARE new.
> : > Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
> : >
> : > sway bar discos
> : > HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
> : >
> : > and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> : > I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
> : >
> : > : you'll do OK.
> : > Thanks!
> : > :ŹD
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : > :
> : > : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> : > though.
> : > : >
> : > : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> drop
> : > top
> : > : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
> correct.
> : > : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
> a
> : > bit
> : > : but
> : > : > I will get used to it.
> : > : >
> : > : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
> Liberty
> : > for
> : > : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
> and
> : > doing
> : > : > some exploring.
> : > : >
> : > : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> their
> : > : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
> go
> : > : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh!
> : > : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
> opinionated,
> : > Irish
> : > : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : > : republican.
> : > : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
> sport
> : > and
> : > : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : > : >
> : > : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Kate
> : > : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
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Re: Hey Ya'll!
I have a front mounted winch on my Jeep. If I can't pull myself forward, I
have a friend pull me out with my tow hook in the rear. I commute often in
my Wrangler. 100lbs is less than a typically passenger.
I'm just saying that a receiver winch can be really hard to use when you
need it.
Carl
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e2d4c$4324f68c$d8449845$11472@FUSE.NET...
> So you have winches on both front and back then? I mean... when you go
face
> first into the swamp how do you pull yourself out?
>
> Do you carry 2 x 100+ pound winches around town while commuting back and
> forth to work?
>
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WbidnT0sMc1EeLneRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> >I had one on my Cherokee. What I didn't think about? You don't get stuck
on
> > flat land, oh no. You get stuck in nasty, nappy,
middle-of-your-doors-deep
> > mud. You get stuck off-camber. You get on big, slippery rocks. You get
> > stuck
> > on a steep hill. Now you've got to carry the winch and winch plate
(read:
> > 100+LBS) from the back of your truck, thru this terrain, clear the mud
> > from
> > your reciever, slide it in. Put the pin in, hook the cables up, and NOW
> > winch out. Also, it is not always possible to access the reciever to
plug
> > the winch in. I considered running trails with the winch on, but it hit
> > EVERYTHING. Winch bumper? Just pull the cable and do it.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:817fd$4324e272$d8449845$5807@FUSE.NET...
> >> Don't consider a reciever winch. Why not?
> >> --
> >> .
> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> .
> >> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:E86dnTo7P_4ARLneRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
> >> > Kate-
> >> > The lift is to accomodate the larger tires, the new shocks are to
> >> > accomodate the lift.
> >> >
> >> > Sway bar discos (short for disconnects) replace the sway bar link so
> > that
> >> > you can effectively disconnect the sway bar from the suspension
system
> >> > without removing it from the vehicle.
> >> >
> >> > Your stock tires are OK but will get cut up easily, easily get flats,
> > and
> >> > get stuck in mud easily. The MT/R may be overkill, but it is a very
> >> > good
> >> > tire. I have a set on my 89 Cherokee that my mother now drives. They
> >> > are
> >> > tough, grab well, ride well and are quiet.
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what you want to do, all of the above mentioned is
> >> > probably
> >> > overkill. My Cherokee had a 2" spacer lift with an add-a-leaf in the
> > rear
> >> > and on 30" MT/Rs with sway bar discos, I could tackle a lot of stuff
I
> >> > couldn't.
> >> >
> >> > Lastly, consider a winch. Do not consider a reciever winch.
> >> >
> >> > Carl
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> >> >> 2" Spacer lift, new shocks, sway bar discos and a set of Goodyear
> > MT/R's,
> >> >> you'll do OK.
> >> >>
> >> >> Carl
> >> >>
> >> >> "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> >> >> > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> >> >> > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> > though.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> >> >> > drop
> >> > top
> >> >> > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> >> >> > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
correct.
> >> >> > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
a
> > bit
> >> >> but
> >> >> > I will get used to it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
Liberty
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > comfort, style and versitility.
> >> >> > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
and
> >> > doing
> >> >> > some exploring.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> > their
> >> >> > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
go
> >> >> > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh!
> >> >> > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
opinionated,
> >> > Irish
> >> >> > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> >> >> republican.
> >> >> > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
sport
> > and
> >> >> > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Kate
> >> >> > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
have a friend pull me out with my tow hook in the rear. I commute often in
my Wrangler. 100lbs is less than a typically passenger.
I'm just saying that a receiver winch can be really hard to use when you
need it.
Carl
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e2d4c$4324f68c$d8449845$11472@FUSE.NET...
> So you have winches on both front and back then? I mean... when you go
face
> first into the swamp how do you pull yourself out?
>
> Do you carry 2 x 100+ pound winches around town while commuting back and
> forth to work?
>
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:WbidnT0sMc1EeLneRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> >I had one on my Cherokee. What I didn't think about? You don't get stuck
on
> > flat land, oh no. You get stuck in nasty, nappy,
middle-of-your-doors-deep
> > mud. You get stuck off-camber. You get on big, slippery rocks. You get
> > stuck
> > on a steep hill. Now you've got to carry the winch and winch plate
(read:
> > 100+LBS) from the back of your truck, thru this terrain, clear the mud
> > from
> > your reciever, slide it in. Put the pin in, hook the cables up, and NOW
> > winch out. Also, it is not always possible to access the reciever to
plug
> > the winch in. I considered running trails with the winch on, but it hit
> > EVERYTHING. Winch bumper? Just pull the cable and do it.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:817fd$4324e272$d8449845$5807@FUSE.NET...
> >> Don't consider a reciever winch. Why not?
> >> --
> >> .
> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> .
> >> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:E86dnTo7P_4ARLneRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
> >> > Kate-
> >> > The lift is to accomodate the larger tires, the new shocks are to
> >> > accomodate the lift.
> >> >
> >> > Sway bar discos (short for disconnects) replace the sway bar link so
> > that
> >> > you can effectively disconnect the sway bar from the suspension
system
> >> > without removing it from the vehicle.
> >> >
> >> > Your stock tires are OK but will get cut up easily, easily get flats,
> > and
> >> > get stuck in mud easily. The MT/R may be overkill, but it is a very
> >> > good
> >> > tire. I have a set on my 89 Cherokee that my mother now drives. They
> >> > are
> >> > tough, grab well, ride well and are quiet.
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what you want to do, all of the above mentioned is
> >> > probably
> >> > overkill. My Cherokee had a 2" spacer lift with an add-a-leaf in the
> > rear
> >> > and on 30" MT/Rs with sway bar discos, I could tackle a lot of stuff
I
> >> > couldn't.
> >> >
> >> > Lastly, consider a winch. Do not consider a reciever winch.
> >> >
> >> > Carl
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> >> >> 2" Spacer lift, new shocks, sway bar discos and a set of Goodyear
> > MT/R's,
> >> >> you'll do OK.
> >> >>
> >> >> Carl
> >> >>
> >> >> "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> >> >> > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> >> >> > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> > though.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra
> >> >> > drop
> >> > top
> >> >> > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> >> >> > I traded in my California car for something more regionally
correct.
> >> >> > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for
a
> > bit
> >> >> but
> >> >> > I will get used to it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the
Liberty
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > comfort, style and versitility.
> >> >> > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud
and
> >> > doing
> >> >> > some exploring.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with
> > their
> >> >> > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and
go
> >> >> > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh!
> >> >> > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken,
opinionated,
> >> > Irish
> >> >> > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> >> >> republican.
> >> >> > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and
sport
> > and
> >> >> > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Kate
> >> >> > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> >> >> >
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