Mike Romain

Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
diodes after all, it is something else electronic.

Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
computer.

I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.

Mike

bllsht wrote:
>
> In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
>
> I will always stand behind my posts.
>
> >
> >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> >
> >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
>
> It is in the computer.
>
> However, you said:
>
> >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>
> In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter where the
> regulator is.
>
> >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
>
> For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but that's
> pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
>
> >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
>
> It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your tantrum about
> computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP. I was
> trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
>
> > If you can't
> >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
> >you are with every post?
>
> Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is constructive,
> we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like an *** in
> your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the unknown.
>
> Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type it again
> here.
>
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >You need to get that looked at.
> >> >
> >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00 computer
> >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> >> >
> >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> >> >
> >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >>
> >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time doing
> >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are still in the
> >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're WAY more
> >> reliable.
> >>
> >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> >>
> >> Did you take your pills today?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >> >shell wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge pegs.

Mike Romain

Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
diodes after all, it is something else electronic.

Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
computer.

I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.

Mike

bllsht wrote:
>
> In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
>
> I will always stand behind my posts.
>
> >
> >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> >
> >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
>
> It is in the computer.
>
> However, you said:
>
> >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>
> In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter where the
> regulator is.
>
> >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
>
> For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but that's
> pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
>
> >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
>
> It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your tantrum about
> computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP. I was
> trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
>
> > If you can't
> >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
> >you are with every post?
>
> Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is constructive,
> we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like an *** in
> your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the unknown.
>
> Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type it again
> here.
>
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >You need to get that looked at.
> >> >
> >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00 computer
> >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> >> >
> >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> >> >
> >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >>
> >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time doing
> >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are still in the
> >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're WAY more
> >> reliable.
> >>
> >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> >>
> >> Did you take your pills today?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >> >shell wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge pegs.

Mike Romain

And as a follow-up.

To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.

Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.

In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
we cleaned all the main wires first.

In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
normal. That indicates a bad regulator.

If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
possible.

You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
bucks?

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>
> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
> computer.
>
> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>
> Mike
>
> bllsht wrote:
> >
> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >
> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >
> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >
> > >
> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> > >
> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >
> > It is in the computer.
> >
> > However, you said:
> >
> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >
> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter where the
> > regulator is.
> >
> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >
> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but that's
> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >
> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >
> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your tantrum about
> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP. I was
> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >
> > > If you can't
> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
> > >you are with every post?
> >
> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is constructive,
> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like an *** in
> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the unknown.
> >
> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type it again
> > here.
> >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >bllsht wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> > >> >
> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00 computer
> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> > >> >
> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> > >> >
> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> > >>
> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time doing
> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are still in the
> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're WAY more
> > >> reliable.
> > >>
> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> > >>
> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Mike
> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >> >
> > >> >shell wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge pegs.

Mike Romain

And as a follow-up.

To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.

Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.

In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
we cleaned all the main wires first.

In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
normal. That indicates a bad regulator.

If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
possible.

You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
bucks?

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>
> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
> computer.
>
> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>
> Mike
>
> bllsht wrote:
> >
> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >
> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >
> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >
> > >
> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> > >
> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >
> > It is in the computer.
> >
> > However, you said:
> >
> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >
> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter where the
> > regulator is.
> >
> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >
> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but that's
> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >
> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >
> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your tantrum about
> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP. I was
> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >
> > > If you can't
> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
> > >you are with every post?
> >
> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is constructive,
> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like an *** in
> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the unknown.
> >
> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type it again
> > here.
> >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >bllsht wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> > >> >
> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00 computer
> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> > >> >
> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> > >> >
> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> > >>
> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time doing
> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are still in the
> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're WAY more
> > >> reliable.
> > >>
> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> > >>
> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Mike
> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >> >
> > >> >shell wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge pegs.

Mike Romain

And as a follow-up.

To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.

Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.

In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
we cleaned all the main wires first.

In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
normal. That indicates a bad regulator.

If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
possible.

You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
bucks?

Mike

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>
> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
> computer.
>
> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>
> Mike
>
> bllsht wrote:
> >
> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >
> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >
> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >
> > >
> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> > >
> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >
> > It is in the computer.
> >
> > However, you said:
> >
> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >
> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter where the
> > regulator is.
> >
> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >
> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but that's
> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >
> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >
> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your tantrum about
> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP. I was
> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >
> > > If you can't
> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
> > >you are with every post?
> >
> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is constructive,
> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like an *** in
> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the unknown.
> >
> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type it again
> > here.
> >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >bllsht wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> > >> >
> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00 computer
> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> > >> >
> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> > >> >
> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> > >>
> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time doing
> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are still in the
> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're WAY more
> > >> reliable.
> > >>
> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> > >>
> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Mike
> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >> >
> > >> >shell wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge pegs.

Jerry Bransford

Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before and
can vouch for that.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> And as a follow-up.
>
> To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
>
> Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
>
> In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> we cleaned all the main wires first.
>
> In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
>
> If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> possible.
>
> You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
> proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> bucks?
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
>> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>>
>> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
>> computer.
>>
>> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> bllsht wrote:
>> >
>> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >
>> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
>> >
>> > I will always stand behind my posts.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
>> > >
>> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
>> >
>> > It is in the computer.
>> >
>> > However, you said:
>> >
>> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >
>> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter
>> > where the
>> > regulator is.
>> >
>> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
>> >
>> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but
>> > that's
>> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
>> >
>> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
>> >
>> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
>> > tantrum about
>> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP.
>> > I was
>> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
>> >
>> > > If you can't
>> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
>> > >you are with every post?
>> >
>> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
>> > constructive,
>> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like
>> > an *** in
>> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the
>> > unknown.
>> >
>> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type
>> > it again
>> > here.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Mike
>> > >
>> > >bllsht wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
>> > >> >computer
>> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> > >>
>> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time
>> > >> doing
>> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
>> > >> still in the
>> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're
>> > >> WAY more
>> > >> reliable.
>> > >>
>> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
>> > >>
>> > >> Did you take your pills today?
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Mike
>> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > >> >
>> > >> >shell wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
>> > >> >> pegs.

Jerry Bransford

Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before and
can vouch for that.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> And as a follow-up.
>
> To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
>
> Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
>
> In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> we cleaned all the main wires first.
>
> In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
>
> If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> possible.
>
> You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
> proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> bucks?
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
>> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>>
>> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
>> computer.
>>
>> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> bllsht wrote:
>> >
>> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >
>> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
>> >
>> > I will always stand behind my posts.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
>> > >
>> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
>> >
>> > It is in the computer.
>> >
>> > However, you said:
>> >
>> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >
>> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter
>> > where the
>> > regulator is.
>> >
>> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
>> >
>> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but
>> > that's
>> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
>> >
>> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
>> >
>> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
>> > tantrum about
>> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP.
>> > I was
>> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
>> >
>> > > If you can't
>> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
>> > >you are with every post?
>> >
>> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
>> > constructive,
>> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like
>> > an *** in
>> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the
>> > unknown.
>> >
>> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type
>> > it again
>> > here.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Mike
>> > >
>> > >bllsht wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
>> > >> >computer
>> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> > >>
>> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time
>> > >> doing
>> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
>> > >> still in the
>> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're
>> > >> WAY more
>> > >> reliable.
>> > >>
>> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
>> > >>
>> > >> Did you take your pills today?
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Mike
>> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > >> >
>> > >> >shell wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
>> > >> >> pegs.

Jerry Bransford

Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before and
can vouch for that.

Jerry
--
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PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> And as a follow-up.
>
> To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
>
> Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
>
> In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> we cleaned all the main wires first.
>
> In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
>
> If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> possible.
>
> You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
> proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> bucks?
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
>> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
>>
>> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
>> computer.
>>
>> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> bllsht wrote:
>> >
>> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >
>> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
>> >
>> > I will always stand behind my posts.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
>> > >
>> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
>> >
>> > It is in the computer.
>> >
>> > However, you said:
>> >
>> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> >
>> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter
>> > where the
>> > regulator is.
>> >
>> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
>> >
>> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but
>> > that's
>> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
>> >
>> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
>> >
>> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
>> > tantrum about
>> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP.
>> > I was
>> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
>> >
>> > > If you can't
>> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
>> > >you are with every post?
>> >
>> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
>> > constructive,
>> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like
>> > an *** in
>> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the
>> > unknown.
>> >
>> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type
>> > it again
>> > here.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Mike
>> > >
>> > >bllsht wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
>> > >> >computer
>> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
>> > >>
>> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time
>> > >> doing
>> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
>> > >> still in the
>> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're
>> > >> WAY more
>> > >> reliable.
>> > >>
>> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
>> > >>
>> > >> Did you take your pills today?
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Mike
>> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > >> >
>> > >> >shell wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
>> > >> >> pegs.

Mike Romain

Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.

Mike

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before and
> can vouch for that.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> > And as a follow-up.
> >
> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
> >
> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
> >
> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
> >
> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
> >
> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> > possible.
> >
> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> > bucks?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
> >>
> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
> >> computer.
> >>
> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> bllsht wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >> >
> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> >> > >
> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >> >
> >> > It is in the computer.
> >> >
> >> > However, you said:
> >> >
> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >
> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter
> >> > where the
> >> > regulator is.
> >> >
> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >> >
> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but
> >> > that's
> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >> >
> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >> >
> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
> >> > tantrum about
> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP.
> >> > I was
> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >> >
> >> > > If you can't
> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
> >> > >you are with every post?
> >> >
> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
> >> > constructive,
> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like
> >> > an *** in
> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the
> >> > unknown.
> >> >
> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type
> >> > it again
> >> > here.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Mike
> >> > >
> >> > >bllsht wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
> >> > >> >computer
> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time
> >> > >> doing
> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
> >> > >> still in the
> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're
> >> > >> WAY more
> >> > >> reliable.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Mike
> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >shell wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
> >> > >> >> pegs.

Mike Romain

Cool, I will get him to look around. The $tealer says it 'has' to be
programmed for the VIN which is a money grab as I figured.

Mike

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Mike, I see used TJ ECMs for sale all the time for $250-300. There's no
> programming involved, it teaches itself. I've swapped out ECMs before and
> can vouch for that.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4140E38B.578AD6CE@sympatico.ca...
> > And as a follow-up.
> >
> > To fix the voltage regulator in that 2000 TJ costs $800.00 for the
> > 'reconditioned' computer plus 15% tax plus labor plus programming.
> >
> > Well over $1000.00 for an electronic chip worth less than five bucks.
> >
> > In 'this' case the voltage regulator is dropping out and coming back so
> > we cleaned all the main wires first.
> >
> > In the OP case it is spiking out. That does not indicate a bad
> > connection or a blown diode in the rectifier because it comes back to
> > normal. That indicates a bad regulator.
> >
> > If it was mine, I would just put a 'real' alternator in there like the
> > GM one in the CJ's and forget the computer's regulator if that is
> > possible.
> >
> > You 'say' you are a Jeep tech, what if anything would be needed to put a
> > proper alternator in? Could the computer with the dead chip just be
> > left alone or are these poor suckers stuck getting screwed for big
> > bucks?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >> Ahh, I see. I used the wrong term for the regulator. It isn't a set of
> >> diodes after all, it is something else electronic.
> >>
> >> Same point. It costs less than $5.00 and if dead you have to change the
> >> computer.
> >>
> >> I have a friend in a 2000 TJ with exactly that problem.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> bllsht wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In message <413F123D.1C53B0EE@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >So are you willing to back up this latest bull ---- post?
> >> >
> >> > I will always stand behind my posts.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Where is the voltage regulator in the newer DC Jeeps?
> >> > >
> >> > >Is it in the alternator or in the computer?
> >> >
> >> > It is in the computer.
> >> >
> >> > However, you said:
> >> >
> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> >
> >> > In case you haven't heard, diodes don't go in the regulator, no matter
> >> > where the
> >> > regulator is.
> >> >
> >> > >What 'does' a 'new' computer cost? For sure it ain't no 300 bucks.
> >> >
> >> > For the most part, between $300 and $600, some are close to $1000, but
> >> > that's
> >> > pretty rare. A far cry from $3000, wouldn't you say?
> >> >
> >> > >You don't have to try and confuse with every post.
> >> >
> >> > It's my fault you're so easily confused? I was replying to your
> >> > tantrum about
> >> > computers. I'd say your post was probably real confusing for the OP.
> >> > I was
> >> > trying to insert some sanity to follow up your panic stricken post.
> >> >
> >> > > If you can't
> >> > >constructively contribute, then why bother to show how much of an ***
> >> > >you are with every post?
> >> >
> >> > Well, if you think 'assuming' a computer will fix his problem is
> >> > constructive,
> >> > we're never gonna agree, and frankly, I thought you sounded more like
> >> > an *** in
> >> > your post than I did. At least mine was based in fact, not fear of the
> >> > unknown.
> >> >
> >> > Read my reply to your friend Billy for some tips. I'm not gonna type
> >> > it again
> >> > here.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Mike
> >> > >
> >> > >bllsht wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In message <413E032E.3EB9B2CA@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >You need to get that looked at.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Unfortunately I 'think' the regulator is part of the $3000.00
> >> > >> >computer
> >> > >> >instead of a relatively cheap fix like inside the alternator.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >They figured out a great new way to screw folks with that BS.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >$3K for a set of diodes worth less than $5.00.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If you spent less time talking out your ***, and a little more time
> >> > >> doing
> >> > >> research, I'm sure even you could figure out that the diodes are
> >> > >> still in the
> >> > >> alternators, computers cost more like $300 than $3000, AND they're
> >> > >> WAY more
> >> > >> reliable.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Don't panic just because you don't understand it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Did you take your pills today?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Mike
> >> > >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >shell wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> i forgot to mention my headlights brighten up when the gauge
> >> > >> >> pegs.