Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
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Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Hp
--
When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away at
his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was
not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Hp
--
When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away at
his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was
not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
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Re: Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 03:05:25 GMT, "harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote:
>As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
>unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
>gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
>draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
>how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
>Any help would be much appreciated.
If you don't know _anything_ about servicing a vehicle you are leaving
yourself wide open for making a costly mistake. The Haynes service
manual assumes a certain amount of basic experience. The Chrysler
factory manuals assume you are a tech. Both will probably look like
Greek to you.
The best solution is to ask a mechanically inclined friend over to
walk you through the tasks like bleeding the brakes and flushing the
cooling system. An oil and filter change is pretty straightforward. If
you really want to learn, take a few semesters of auto maintenance
classes at your local community college.
OTH, your CJ sounds like a very good vehicle to learn on ;)
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
>As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
>unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
>gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
>draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
>how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
>Any help would be much appreciated.
If you don't know _anything_ about servicing a vehicle you are leaving
yourself wide open for making a costly mistake. The Haynes service
manual assumes a certain amount of basic experience. The Chrysler
factory manuals assume you are a tech. Both will probably look like
Greek to you.
The best solution is to ask a mechanically inclined friend over to
walk you through the tasks like bleeding the brakes and flushing the
cooling system. An oil and filter change is pretty straightforward. If
you really want to learn, take a few semesters of auto maintenance
classes at your local community college.
OTH, your CJ sounds like a very good vehicle to learn on ;)
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
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Re: Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 03:05:25 GMT, "harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote:
>As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
>unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
>gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
>draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
>how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
>Any help would be much appreciated.
If you don't know _anything_ about servicing a vehicle you are leaving
yourself wide open for making a costly mistake. The Haynes service
manual assumes a certain amount of basic experience. The Chrysler
factory manuals assume you are a tech. Both will probably look like
Greek to you.
The best solution is to ask a mechanically inclined friend over to
walk you through the tasks like bleeding the brakes and flushing the
cooling system. An oil and filter change is pretty straightforward. If
you really want to learn, take a few semesters of auto maintenance
classes at your local community college.
OTH, your CJ sounds like a very good vehicle to learn on ;)
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
>As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
>unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
>gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
>draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
>how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
>Any help would be much appreciated.
If you don't know _anything_ about servicing a vehicle you are leaving
yourself wide open for making a costly mistake. The Haynes service
manual assumes a certain amount of basic experience. The Chrysler
factory manuals assume you are a tech. Both will probably look like
Greek to you.
The best solution is to ask a mechanically inclined friend over to
walk you through the tasks like bleeding the brakes and flushing the
cooling system. An oil and filter change is pretty straightforward. If
you really want to learn, take a few semesters of auto maintenance
classes at your local community college.
OTH, your CJ sounds like a very good vehicle to learn on ;)
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
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Re: Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 03:05:25 GMT, "harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote:
>As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
>unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
>gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
>draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
>how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
>Any help would be much appreciated.
If you don't know _anything_ about servicing a vehicle you are leaving
yourself wide open for making a costly mistake. The Haynes service
manual assumes a certain amount of basic experience. The Chrysler
factory manuals assume you are a tech. Both will probably look like
Greek to you.
The best solution is to ask a mechanically inclined friend over to
walk you through the tasks like bleeding the brakes and flushing the
cooling system. An oil and filter change is pretty straightforward. If
you really want to learn, take a few semesters of auto maintenance
classes at your local community college.
OTH, your CJ sounds like a very good vehicle to learn on ;)
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
>As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
>unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
>gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
>draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
>how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
>Any help would be much appreciated.
If you don't know _anything_ about servicing a vehicle you are leaving
yourself wide open for making a costly mistake. The Haynes service
manual assumes a certain amount of basic experience. The Chrysler
factory manuals assume you are a tech. Both will probably look like
Greek to you.
The best solution is to ask a mechanically inclined friend over to
walk you through the tasks like bleeding the brakes and flushing the
cooling system. An oil and filter change is pretty straightforward. If
you really want to learn, take a few semesters of auto maintenance
classes at your local community college.
OTH, your CJ sounds like a very good vehicle to learn on ;)
John
John Davies TLCA 14732
http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
'96 Lexus LX450
'00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
Spokane WA USA
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Re: Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 03:05:25 UTC "harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote:
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
This is a place where even the Haynes or Chilton manuals would
probably be enough. These are all less than one-bananna jobs that
take a minimum of tools. The brake bleed/refill takes the right size
box end wrench (8 mm or 1/4 inch??) to keep from screwing up the bleed
ports but just about everything else can be done with a good sized
Cresent wrench, a pair of pliers, and a screwdriver or two.
One item not mentioned in the thread was rubber - you probably want to
change all the radiator and heater hoses while you are in there, maybe
the fan belt as well. 5 years is about the lifetime for rubber even
in daily use and it's cheap insurance.
--
Will Honea
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
This is a place where even the Haynes or Chilton manuals would
probably be enough. These are all less than one-bananna jobs that
take a minimum of tools. The brake bleed/refill takes the right size
box end wrench (8 mm or 1/4 inch??) to keep from screwing up the bleed
ports but just about everything else can be done with a good sized
Cresent wrench, a pair of pliers, and a screwdriver or two.
One item not mentioned in the thread was rubber - you probably want to
change all the radiator and heater hoses while you are in there, maybe
the fan belt as well. 5 years is about the lifetime for rubber even
in daily use and it's cheap insurance.
--
Will Honea
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Re: Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 03:05:25 UTC "harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote:
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
This is a place where even the Haynes or Chilton manuals would
probably be enough. These are all less than one-bananna jobs that
take a minimum of tools. The brake bleed/refill takes the right size
box end wrench (8 mm or 1/4 inch??) to keep from screwing up the bleed
ports but just about everything else can be done with a good sized
Cresent wrench, a pair of pliers, and a screwdriver or two.
One item not mentioned in the thread was rubber - you probably want to
change all the radiator and heater hoses while you are in there, maybe
the fan belt as well. 5 years is about the lifetime for rubber even
in daily use and it's cheap insurance.
--
Will Honea
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
This is a place where even the Haynes or Chilton manuals would
probably be enough. These are all less than one-bananna jobs that
take a minimum of tools. The brake bleed/refill takes the right size
box end wrench (8 mm or 1/4 inch??) to keep from screwing up the bleed
ports but just about everything else can be done with a good sized
Cresent wrench, a pair of pliers, and a screwdriver or two.
One item not mentioned in the thread was rubber - you probably want to
change all the radiator and heater hoses while you are in there, maybe
the fan belt as well. 5 years is about the lifetime for rubber even
in daily use and it's cheap insurance.
--
Will Honea
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Re: Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 03:05:25 UTC "harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote:
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
This is a place where even the Haynes or Chilton manuals would
probably be enough. These are all less than one-bananna jobs that
take a minimum of tools. The brake bleed/refill takes the right size
box end wrench (8 mm or 1/4 inch??) to keep from screwing up the bleed
ports but just about everything else can be done with a good sized
Cresent wrench, a pair of pliers, and a screwdriver or two.
One item not mentioned in the thread was rubber - you probably want to
change all the radiator and heater hoses while you are in there, maybe
the fan belt as well. 5 years is about the lifetime for rubber even
in daily use and it's cheap insurance.
--
Will Honea
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5 years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
This is a place where even the Haynes or Chilton manuals would
probably be enough. These are all less than one-bananna jobs that
take a minimum of tools. The brake bleed/refill takes the right size
box end wrench (8 mm or 1/4 inch??) to keep from screwing up the bleed
ports but just about everything else can be done with a good sized
Cresent wrench, a pair of pliers, and a screwdriver or two.
One item not mentioned in the thread was rubber - you probably want to
change all the radiator and heater hoses while you are in there, maybe
the fan belt as well. 5 years is about the lifetime for rubber even
in daily use and it's cheap insurance.
--
Will Honea
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I would suggest you visit a brake shop to have the braking system flushed.
While it is certainly possible to do this yourself, if you have to ask how,
you should let somebody else do it, or not follow me when you are done.
<hehehe> The braking system is by far the most diffcult to flush, and the
most problematic if not flushed jproperly.
The differentials can only be flushed by removing the covers. Not all that
difficult really.
The oil in the crankcase is easy.
The transmission will have a drain plug on the bottom and a filler plug
about half way to two thirds of the way up the side. Fill the trans until
oil comes out of the fill hole. The proper level for the trans oil is when
you put your finger in the fill hole and can feel the oil level with the
bottom of the hole. The transfer case is done the same way as the
transmission. You have to be sure that you don't drain the trans and fill
the transfer case, or vise versa. Be sure you drain and fill each of them.
The coolant is drained from the petcock on the bottom of the radiator. If
the vehicle has been sitting for several years, you may want to replace all
of the hoses, and this will effectively drain the coolant. You can connect
your garden hose to the heater hose and run the water until it comes out
clean. There are environmental issues associated with flushing the radiator
at home, only you can decide about this.
"harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Vtn9d.4742$5b1.896@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5
years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Hp
>
> --
> When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away
at
> his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
> Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was
> not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
>
>
While it is certainly possible to do this yourself, if you have to ask how,
you should let somebody else do it, or not follow me when you are done.
<hehehe> The braking system is by far the most diffcult to flush, and the
most problematic if not flushed jproperly.
The differentials can only be flushed by removing the covers. Not all that
difficult really.
The oil in the crankcase is easy.
The transmission will have a drain plug on the bottom and a filler plug
about half way to two thirds of the way up the side. Fill the trans until
oil comes out of the fill hole. The proper level for the trans oil is when
you put your finger in the fill hole and can feel the oil level with the
bottom of the hole. The transfer case is done the same way as the
transmission. You have to be sure that you don't drain the trans and fill
the transfer case, or vise versa. Be sure you drain and fill each of them.
The coolant is drained from the petcock on the bottom of the radiator. If
the vehicle has been sitting for several years, you may want to replace all
of the hoses, and this will effectively drain the coolant. You can connect
your garden hose to the heater hose and run the water until it comes out
clean. There are environmental issues associated with flushing the radiator
at home, only you can decide about this.
"harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Vtn9d.4742$5b1.896@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5
years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Hp
>
> --
> When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away
at
> his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
> Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was
> not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
>
>
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Re: Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
I would suggest you visit a brake shop to have the braking system flushed.
While it is certainly possible to do this yourself, if you have to ask how,
you should let somebody else do it, or not follow me when you are done.
<hehehe> The braking system is by far the most diffcult to flush, and the
most problematic if not flushed jproperly.
The differentials can only be flushed by removing the covers. Not all that
difficult really.
The oil in the crankcase is easy.
The transmission will have a drain plug on the bottom and a filler plug
about half way to two thirds of the way up the side. Fill the trans until
oil comes out of the fill hole. The proper level for the trans oil is when
you put your finger in the fill hole and can feel the oil level with the
bottom of the hole. The transfer case is done the same way as the
transmission. You have to be sure that you don't drain the trans and fill
the transfer case, or vise versa. Be sure you drain and fill each of them.
The coolant is drained from the petcock on the bottom of the radiator. If
the vehicle has been sitting for several years, you may want to replace all
of the hoses, and this will effectively drain the coolant. You can connect
your garden hose to the heater hose and run the water until it comes out
clean. There are environmental issues associated with flushing the radiator
at home, only you can decide about this.
"harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Vtn9d.4742$5b1.896@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5
years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Hp
>
> --
> When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away
at
> his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
> Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was
> not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
>
>
While it is certainly possible to do this yourself, if you have to ask how,
you should let somebody else do it, or not follow me when you are done.
<hehehe> The braking system is by far the most diffcult to flush, and the
most problematic if not flushed jproperly.
The differentials can only be flushed by removing the covers. Not all that
difficult really.
The oil in the crankcase is easy.
The transmission will have a drain plug on the bottom and a filler plug
about half way to two thirds of the way up the side. Fill the trans until
oil comes out of the fill hole. The proper level for the trans oil is when
you put your finger in the fill hole and can feel the oil level with the
bottom of the hole. The transfer case is done the same way as the
transmission. You have to be sure that you don't drain the trans and fill
the transfer case, or vise versa. Be sure you drain and fill each of them.
The coolant is drained from the petcock on the bottom of the radiator. If
the vehicle has been sitting for several years, you may want to replace all
of the hoses, and this will effectively drain the coolant. You can connect
your garden hose to the heater hose and run the water until it comes out
clean. There are environmental issues associated with flushing the radiator
at home, only you can decide about this.
"harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Vtn9d.4742$5b1.896@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5
years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Hp
>
> --
> When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away
at
> his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
> Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was
> not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
>
>
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Re: Draining fluids from a 1978 Cj5
I would suggest you visit a brake shop to have the braking system flushed.
While it is certainly possible to do this yourself, if you have to ask how,
you should let somebody else do it, or not follow me when you are done.
<hehehe> The braking system is by far the most diffcult to flush, and the
most problematic if not flushed jproperly.
The differentials can only be flushed by removing the covers. Not all that
difficult really.
The oil in the crankcase is easy.
The transmission will have a drain plug on the bottom and a filler plug
about half way to two thirds of the way up the side. Fill the trans until
oil comes out of the fill hole. The proper level for the trans oil is when
you put your finger in the fill hole and can feel the oil level with the
bottom of the hole. The transfer case is done the same way as the
transmission. You have to be sure that you don't drain the trans and fill
the transfer case, or vise versa. Be sure you drain and fill each of them.
The coolant is drained from the petcock on the bottom of the radiator. If
the vehicle has been sitting for several years, you may want to replace all
of the hoses, and this will effectively drain the coolant. You can connect
your garden hose to the heater hose and run the water until it comes out
clean. There are environmental issues associated with flushing the radiator
at home, only you can decide about this.
"harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Vtn9d.4742$5b1.896@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5
years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Hp
>
> --
> When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away
at
> his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
> Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was
> not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
>
>
While it is certainly possible to do this yourself, if you have to ask how,
you should let somebody else do it, or not follow me when you are done.
<hehehe> The braking system is by far the most diffcult to flush, and the
most problematic if not flushed jproperly.
The differentials can only be flushed by removing the covers. Not all that
difficult really.
The oil in the crankcase is easy.
The transmission will have a drain plug on the bottom and a filler plug
about half way to two thirds of the way up the side. Fill the trans until
oil comes out of the fill hole. The proper level for the trans oil is when
you put your finger in the fill hole and can feel the oil level with the
bottom of the hole. The transfer case is done the same way as the
transmission. You have to be sure that you don't drain the trans and fill
the transfer case, or vise versa. Be sure you drain and fill each of them.
The coolant is drained from the petcock on the bottom of the radiator. If
the vehicle has been sitting for several years, you may want to replace all
of the hoses, and this will effectively drain the coolant. You can connect
your garden hose to the heater hose and run the water until it comes out
clean. There are environmental issues associated with flushing the radiator
at home, only you can decide about this.
"harry palmer" <rob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Vtn9d.4742$5b1.896@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
> As I mentioned a while back, my Cj5 has been sitting in a garage for 5
years
> unused. We started it up last week and it worked like a champ. You folks
> gave me some great advice that I will be following this Saturday about
> draining the Brake, cooling, oil systems. The problem is that I don't know
> how. Is there a website that has instructions about how to go about this?
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Hp
>
> --
> When nothing seems to help, I go and look at a stonecutter hammering away
at
> his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it.
> Yet at the hundred and first blow it will split in two, and I know it was
> not that blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
>
>